When Is A Jew Not A Jew?

A Jew "outwardly" is a Jew and descendant of Abraham.
And a Jew "inwardly" is an "outwardly" Jew born again.
And Saul also says in Romans 11, "and ALL Israel (both houses) SHALL BE SAVED."
The Abrahamic, Mosaic, and New Covenants are covenants of redemption and salvation of God's people identified as Abraham and the seed of Abraham. In short, the "Jews."
'I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord,
beseech you that ye walk worthy
of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
With all lowliness and meekness,

with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit
in the bond of peace
.'

(Eph 4:1-3)

Hello @jeremiah1five,

I agree.

Yet, why, when our Lord has abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; thus making in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace; that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having stain the enmity thereby: are you creating division, by talking in terms of Gentile and Jewish Christians, when in Christ they are now One Body, One new man?

Romans 5:12-8:39 takes us back to Adam, and takes us out of Adam and into Christ; quite apart from Abraham and Moses and the giving of the law; we are identified with Christ, in His death, burial, quickening and resurrection, and now walk in newness of life before the Father. Then in the letters written from prison, following a revelation from God, Paul introduces the Church which is the Body of Christ, where we are shown to be, by God's reckoning, ascended to God's right hand; and now await the Lord's appearing in glory, when we shall appear with Him. Who is our life.

In The Body of Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile; for we are now equal and united in Christ, in a joint Body, with Christ as our Head.
It is only after this company has been taken to be with the Lord that redeemed Israel, and all that is prophesied concerning it, will come into play. All will be fulfilled, and all promises made good. Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord,
beseech you that ye walk worthy
of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
With all lowliness and meekness,

with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit
in the bond of peace
.'

(Eph 4:1-3)

Hello @jeremiah1five,

I agree.

Yet, why, when our Lord has abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; thus making in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace; that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having stain the enmity thereby: are you creating division, by talking in terms of Gentile and Jewish Christians, when in Christ they are now One Body, One new man?

Romans 5:12-8:39 takes us back to Adam, and takes us out of Adam and into Christ; quite apart from Abraham and Moses and the giving of the law; we are identified with Christ, in His death, burial, quickening and resurrection, and now walk in newness of life before the Father. Then in the letters written from prison, following a revelation from God, Paul introduces the Church which is the Body of Christ, where we are shown to be, by God's reckoning, ascended to God's right hand; and now await the Lord's appearing in glory, when we shall appear with Him. Who is our life.

In The Body of Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile; for we are now equal and united in Christ, in a joint Body, with Christ as our Head.
It is only after this company has been taken to be with the Lord that redeemed Israel, and all that is prophesied concerning it, will come into play. All will be fulfilled, and all promises made good. Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Yes, but you are identifying "Gentile" as an uncircumcised enemy of the Jews - Roman, Scythian, or Greek, etc., when the "neither Jew or Gentile" being mentioned are committed, circumcised proselytes and uncircumcised God-Fearers. These "wild" Olive tree are friends, allies, and committed to the Torah and citizens of Israel, and although NOT in the Abrahamic Covenant receive the blessings of Abraham and the commonwealth of Israel proper. The body of Christ (Church) began on Pentecost and the 3000 saved and born again were Jews. Some residing in Israel and a great many more visiting Jews from Gentile lands. After Pentecost these visitors returned to their homes and synagogues witnessing their experiences and in short order were the ones who founded the various fellowships of whom the epistles were written to (Corinth, Ephesus, Philippi, etc.)
First, make distinction from the Scripture of the time of its writing before going off into things that are just not meant.
 
Yes, but you are identifying "Gentile" as an uncircumcised enemy of the Jews - Roman, Scythian, or Greek, etc., when the "neither Jew or Gentile" being mentioned are committed, circumcised proselytes and uncircumcised God-Fearers. These "wild" Olive tree are friends, allies, and committed to the Torah and citizens of Israel, and although NOT in the Abrahamic Covenant receive the blessings of Abraham and the commonwealth of Israel proper. The body of Christ (Church) began on Pentecost and the 3000 saved and born again were Jews. Some residing in Israel and a great many more visiting Jews from Gentile lands. After Pentecost these visitors returned to their homes and synagogues witnessing their experiences and in short order were the ones who founded the various fellowships of whom the epistles were written to (Corinth, Ephesus, Philippi, etc.)
First, make distinction from the Scripture of the time of its writing before going off into things that are just not meant.
Hello @jeremiah1five,

Thank you for responding, but I can see that you and I are simply not singing from the same song sheet on this, so to enter into further dialogue on it will be unprofitable.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Hello @jeremiah1five,

Thank you for responding, but I can see that you and I are simply not singing from the same song sheet on this, so to enter into further dialogue on it will be unprofitable.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
You've been indoctrinated with Gentile error. I was once but have since come out from among them and become separate.
 
When they HAVE NO FAITH.

Next question??
A Jew is one specifically born from the tribe of Judah, and a descendant of Abraham.
And you know the term "Jew" is used to describe a descendant of Abraham.

But when is a Jew not a Jew for the purposes of this thread?
A non-Jew is a Gentile who takes Galatians 3:29 and erroneously believe that Saul is addressing Gentiles and that through Christ have magically through the new birth had their DNA transformed and changed into a "seed of Abraham" and now they have the DNA of a "Jew."
Instead, they are of the assembly of Satan.

9 Behold, I will make them of the assembly of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
Rev. 3:8–9.

Just liars in the eyes of the Lord.

Nowhere in Scripture is there any prophecy of Gentiles (non-Jew) being changed into Hebrew or the seed of Abraham.
But what Saul IS saying he says to Jewish Christians who are concerned about their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant because they follow their Messiah called Jesus. Saul comforts their worry by telling them that if they are Christ's, they are [still] Abraham's seed and "heirs according to the promise [God gave TO ABRAHAM.]"

Gentiles have never been "heirs" of the Abrahamic promises. God made no covenant with Gentiles as far as the salvation and redemptive covenants God made with Abram the Hebrew, his seed the children of Israel in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle (Mosaic) nor the New Covenant made with the House of Israel described by Jeremiah.

Gentiles are liars to first postulate Saul is addressing Gentiles in Galatians 3:29 and then deluding themselves into believing they are the seed of Abraham because they become Christian through the new birth.

Jesus calls them liars and of an assembly of Satan (adversary.)
 
Gentile Christians take an inordinate pride is trying to connect themselves to being spiritual Israel or a spiritual Jew. But that can't be because to be a Jew or a spiritual Jew one would have to be from the tribe of Judah from which that designation originates.
They also try to link themselves as being a son of Abraham using this passage of Scripture in Paul's letter to Jewish Christians in the Galatian area:

29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal. 3:29.

But Paul is writing to Jewish Christians who were unsure of their Messiah's arrival and His effect upon the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants:

23 But before faith came, we [Jews] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us [Jews] unto Christ, that we [Jews] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [Jews] are no longer under a schoolmaster [the Law].
26 For ye [Jews] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus [Your Messiah].
27 For as many of you [Jews] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all [Jews] one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [Jews] be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal. 3:23–29.

No change. If you are Abraham's descendant seed, then you are also Christ's and heirs according to the Abrahamic Covenant Promises for God made no promises to Gentiles in the Abrahamic Covenant nor in the New Covenant Promise of Jeremiah 31.
Not even Abraham was a Jew. He was Hebrew from the line of Eber a descendant through Shem. Stay with me now.

Recently there was discussion about the "synagogue" of Satan in Revelation 2:9. Here is the Scripture:

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Rev. 2:8–9.

The Greek word translated "synagogue" in 2:9 means an "assemblage [of persons.]" It doesn't refer to Jews but is a word that merely means an "assemblage [of persons.]" It can mean an "assemblage" of Gentile Christians on Sunday morning or an "assemblage" of persons at a football game. There is nothing linking "synagogue" to Jews.

So, when is a Jew not a Jew? Jesus gives the answer in Rev. 2:9.

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Rev. 2:9.

Jesus would know who a true Jew is and who isn't, and in this passage, there is a confession to Jewry but Jesus who knows the 'hearts' of all says they are not Jews. There is no birthright to Judah or back to Abraham to those who say they are a descendant or son of Abraham. But Paul writing to Jewish Christians says that if you are Christ's, you are a descendant of Abraham according to the Promise God made to Abraham. So, what is this "assemblage" [of persons] that claim to be Jews and are not Jews? Maybe it's the false belief that Paul is writing to Gentile Christians - which he isn't - that because you belong to Jesus Christ that you are a descendant of Abraham. But that can't be for Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham nor is there any passage of Scripture in the First Covenant of God ever making covenant with Gentiles. None. Paul makes this clear in writing to Jewish Christians at Rome:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.

Everything regarding the above upon which salvation rests belong to Israel. Paul says so. There's no mention of Gentiles possessing any of the above. Even Christ's arrival was fulfilled prophecy and covenant, and Christ's very words state He was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel, not the house of Gentiles. So, when is a Jew not a Jew?
When they claim to be of Abraham or Judah and there is just no biblical passage of Scripture that says this. Only in the minds of Gentiles that believe Paul's letters were written to Gentiles and interpret his words as such.
So, this synagogue or assemblage who say they are of Abraham or Judah are not from Abraham or Judah. How can they be? Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham or the tribe of Judah and Paul's words to the Jewish Christians in the Galatian region were addressed to the true sons of Abraham who did not know what the effect Israel's Messiah had on the Abrahamic Covenant, and the adoption, and the glory, and the giving of the Law, and the service of God, and the promises, whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came.

John the Baptist agrees:

31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. Jn. 1:31.

So, when is a Jew not a Jew? When they make claims to Abraham or the tribe of Judah that just does not exist.
Maybe THEY are of the assemblage of Satan?
Think it through, Gentile Christian.
Revelations was written to the Jewish Christians about things about to shortly take place. You don't want to be on the wrong side of history.
Or of Christ.
According to Orthodox Judaism a Jew is a person born to a Jewish mother.
According to Reformed Judaism a Jew is a person fathered by a Jewish father.
Shalom
 
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