What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?
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DavidTree
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Resurrection and Rapture occur at the SAME Event = His Second Coming
The FIRST thing the LORD does is Resurrect the Saints/Elect who physically died in Christ.
AFTER the Resurrection, the "Gathering of the Elect/Saints who are alive/remaining."
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord:
we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that, we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
DavidTree
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Here is the ONLY difference:
Resurrection of the Saints takes place FIRST
AFTER the Resurrection, the Rapture occurs = 1 Thess 4:13-18
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord:
we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise FIRST
After that, we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
Same general time - at the second coming
e v e
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it means any, who are in christ and died to this world, and are part of the 144k go first...
has nothing to do with if this fallen flesh body was alive or not...
both those resting in Him whose ape body died and who He chooses for that,
and those still imprisoned here who died to this world are the ones who go...
for they died to this world... He never measures according to the World , as in 'following its views',
that would be insane...
He said I am not from here. And that is true.
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e v e
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and it follows from that, that even those not meeting him while alive (in the fallen sense, here, in this dungeon earth
not made by God) will still be able to meet Him.. since this world and being in the fleshbody is not a criteria
for WHEN one met Him... the criteria is the soul made by God who meets Him..
and not "i met him before the flesh passed away" or some such nonsense
which the catholic started as an idea
not made by God) will still be able to meet Him.. since this world and being in the fleshbody is not a criteria
for WHEN one met Him... the criteria is the soul made by God who meets Him..
and not "i met him before the flesh passed away" or some such nonsense
which the catholic started as an idea
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e v e
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He wants us to die to this Flesh, so memorializing the satanic sin nature (flesh)
by thinking somehow the flesh has any relation to meeting Him
or being rescued of this earth is ridiculous. It will pass and never
be remembered.
this corrupt flesh here,
cannot be a temple of ANYTHING, only of sin
by thinking somehow the flesh has any relation to meeting Him
or being rescued of this earth is ridiculous. It will pass and never
be remembered.
this corrupt flesh here,
cannot be a temple of ANYTHING, only of sin
e v e
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our soul is imprisoned here because of adam...
...what He cares about of us Here is only our soul..
not our flesh 'life here' or if we have a certain good job
or married mary whoever or whatever...and
oh how successful my life was...
nope..
the souls of Him here will have so many horrible trials
and will die to it all.... and stay in Him only.
...what He cares about of us Here is only our soul..
not our flesh 'life here' or if we have a certain good job
or married mary whoever or whatever...and
oh how successful my life was...
nope..
the souls of Him here will have so many horrible trials
and will die to it all.... and stay in Him only.
Where are you importing 144k from. It does not appear in the context
BTW this is a clear resurrection of the dead
1 Thessalonians 4:15–18 (KJV 1900) — 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
e v e
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the 144k are explicitly mentioned in Revelation.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
the Lord never said that. for he returned in Spirit on the DAY of Pentecost. supportive scripture, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." and this one, Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God." and this one also. Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."
as you said, "PLEASE read carefully, without adding to the scriptures." if one read the scripture carefully, there is two returns. one at Pentecost, (Acts chapter 2). and as the apostle stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
here is the revelation. two coming in Flesh and bone, (appearance John 1:14 and Hebrews 9:28), and one in Spirit, (Acts chapter 2, UNSEEN).
his first coming was in Flesh bone WITH BLOOD, John 1:14 in Spirit his first return Acts chapter 2. supportive scripture, Matthew 16:28, Luke 9:27, and Mark 9:1. if he did NOT return before some standing there died, then there are some very, very, very, old people still walking around today. but these scriptures were fulfilled on Pentecost. for he, (the Son of man) came in power in the KINGDOM, ... the Holy Spirit. but NOTE, he did not appear. for every eye or no eyes saw him because he was not MANIFESTED, or "in APPERANCE". that's the Keyword, "Appearance". he only is coming in, in, in, "appearance" only two times, (John 1:14 and Revelation 1:7) ........... then EVERY EYE will see him, because he will "Appear". so just coming back in not the factor, it's in "Appearance" twice, as Hebrews 9:28 clearly states.
three coming, and two are in "Appearance", and one in Spirit/not seen.
101G.
e v e
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God's spirit was given at pentecost not jesus God's son.
Rapture is the end of esau and the end of this nightmare dungeon earth, since it will mean the complete undoing of the fall. the end of this earth soon and its philistine civilization!
no need to undo it again ever again.
Rapture is the end of esau and the end of this nightmare dungeon earth, since it will mean the complete undoing of the fall. the end of this earth soon and its philistine civilization!
no need to undo it again ever again.
So what justification can you offer for bringing it to 1th 4?
101G
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the Lord Jesus is "GOD".
there is no rapture, only an end to this creation. see Isaiah 66:22 and Revelation 21:5
101G
Still ignoring
1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
101G
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Caught up is not a rapture. Listen and Learn. Acts 8:39 "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing." now, did Philip go to heaven as in the third heaven where God is? NO, because the very next verse, Acts 8:40 "But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea."
this same word Caught away is the same word used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
'it's the same Greek word for both. "Caught Away" and "Caught Up".
G726 ἁρπάζω harpazo (har-pa'-zō) v.
to seize.
{in various applications}
[from a derivative of G138]
KJV: catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force)
Root(s): G138
will you examine the word above, "Caught up .... please" and see for yourself. the bible is clear, Don't be deceived.
Luke 21:8 "And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them."
1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, (many are still in idolatry, false belief, as in a rapture of the church). nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," 1 Corinthians 6:10 "Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:11 "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Galatians 6:8 "For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."
2 Timothy 3:13 "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."
Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
don't be "DECEIVED"...... ok.
101G
101G
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since one is Still ignoring, GOOD, 101G can post some good information, which the ignoring one do not need. Question, "Why be raptured out of this world when the Lord Jesus is setting up his KINGDOM right here on earth? did not the Lord say, John 14:3 "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." if he's going to be on earth why are you in heaven? that negates, "that where I am, there ye may be also." it's simply mind blowing how people can be so deceived...... even after hearing the truth, and still accept the false gospel. ...... Oh well!
101G.
101G.
Sure it is
1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17–18 (LLEIV) — 17 Deinde nos, qui vivimus, qui relinquimur, simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Christo in aëra, et sic semper cum Domino erimus. 18 Itaque consolamini invicem in verbis istis.
rapiemur from which we get rapture in english
101G
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so did Philip went to heaven where God is at on the throne? ... thank you that killed that false thinking.
101G.
Don't run from the text
1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17–18 (LLEIV) — 17 Deinde nos, qui vivimus, qui relinquimur, simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Christo in aëra, et sic semper cum Domino erimus. 18 Itaque consolamini invicem in verbis istis.
rapiemur from which we get rapture in english
