What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

[Red Baker]

Continuing from #575​

John 3:3​

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Based upon what Nicodemus said in John 3:2, the Lord came back and spoke a double verily to emphasize a truth that none would have ever consider much less on their own, and believe, unless and without using this double verily, showing us the importance of what he is about to say, needs to be considered carefully, or, what he is going to say, will be missed and would go right over their heads, or into one ear and right out the other just as fast as it went in, which is often the case. This has happened to all of us all too often, more than we like to say, but so true, it is part of living in this body of sin and death.

"Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." ~ Are we hearing the voice of the Savior? Mark well the word "except".. meaning, that unless a man is born again, that man can not see spiritual truths, of which truth at least Nicodemus did see that God had to be with Jesus, because he knew that no man could have done the many great miracles that Jesus did unless God was with him. Jesus accredited Nicodemus' faith in him, to the new birth....follow the flow of the context, so important here. To see the kingdom of God is to see spiritual deeds of the kingdom of God at work, and accept them coming from one source....God himself. Much like the thief on the cross saw at the last few minutes of his life.

John 3:4​

“Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?”

The Lord Jesus used the words "born again"~ we know this because of what Nicodemus said back to him; we do not need to run to some Greek to figure out what was said, our English bibles are more than enough for us to know truth! What we need is for the Spirit of the Living God to open our understanding, and when he does, then we shall see, but not until then.

Poor Nicodemus, his understanding of spiritual truth, was greatly lacking, for sure he was no John and certainly no Paul. But, that's okay, neither are we, probably less than Nicodemus' overall understanding of OT. But it was only in the letter, not in the Spirit at this point in his life, even though a ruler among them.

John 3:5​

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

If Nicodemus had not asked the question he did in John 3:4, then water would have never been mentioned in Jesus' teaching, it is so clear, that it should not even be question, since water is never mentioned again when the Lord explains the new birth in verses after this one before us.

Later....RB

I'm coming back to address this verse in depth.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

"Only" if they are understood. It is commendable that she post the word of God, it would be even better if expounded upon the same.

Very good it is that she posts the lovely scrips . LET ALL read and all take heed .
She has NO NEED to expound even one word . i mean not one word .
She can leave that to me and others . i suppose by now you all realize what you all have in the house .
hims a fundamental and he makes no apologies for being one and to die one . ITS the bible for me folks
i done watched far too many men twist crap to fit they owns doctrine and an agenda to last me ten fold life times .
Do be encouraged now . Do be encouraged my friend . And let all that has breath praise the LORD .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Continuing from #575​

John 3:3​

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Based upon what Nicodemus said in John 3:2, the Lord came back and spoke a double verily to emphasize a truth that none would have ever consider much less on their own, and believe, unless and without using this double verily, showing us the importance of what he is about to say, needs to be considered carefully, or, what he is going to say, will be missed and would go right over their heads, or into one ear and right out the other just as fast as it went in, which is often the case. This has happened to all of us all too often, more than we like to say, but so true, it is part of living in this body of sin and death.

"Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." ~ Are we hearing the voice of the Savior? Mark well the word "except".. meaning, that unless a man is born again, that man can not see spiritual truths, of which truth at least Nicodemus did see that God had to be with Jesus, because he knew that no man could have done the many great miracles that Jesus did unless God was with him. Jesus accredited Nicodemus' faith in him, to the new birth....follow the flow of the context, so important here. To see the kingdom of God is to see spiritual deeds of the kingdom of God at work, and accept them coming from one source....God himself. Much like the thief on the cross saw at the last few minutes of his life.

John 3:4​

“Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?”

The Lord Jesus used the words "born again"~ we know this because of what Nicodemus said back to him; we do not need to run to some Greek to figure out what was said, our English bibles are more than enough for us to know truth! What we need is for the Spirit of the Living God to open our understanding, and when he does, then we shall see, but not until then.

Poor Nicodemus, his understanding of spiritual truth, was greatly lacking, for sure he was no John and certainly no Paul. But, that's okay, neither are we, probably less than Nicodemus' overall understanding of OT. But it was only in the letter, not in the Spirit at this point in his life, even though a ruler among them.

John 3:5​

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

If Nicodemus had not asked the question he did in John 3:4, then water would have never been mentioned in Jesus' teaching, it is so clear, that it should not even be question, since water is never mentioned again when the Lord explains the new birth in verses after this one before us.

Later....RB

I'm coming back to address this verse in depth.

Why do i get the feeling that more and more will soon love the lie that it just didnt matter whether one believed JESUS to be CHRIST or not .
So allow me to remind us
to go and examine what paul preached in every jewish syangogue
where both jews and gentiles were present . And do take note he often warned those who rejected
as he shook the very dust off his feet . but many are fast falling in love with a very broad path all inclusive love .
It be of anti christ and mr baker , WE DONT IN ANY WAY wanna be co helpers and supporters of that which is of anti christ .
Just keep that it mind as you behold the workers of interfaith and its SO CALLED INTERELIGIOUS dialgoue . WHICH BE OF ANTI CHRIST .

 

[Red Baker]

John 3:5​

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

This verse is spoken, because of Nicodemus' questions in verse four:

John 3:4​

“Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?”

"How can a man be born when he is old?" Not in the manner in which Nicodemus was asking, that is impossible, as we all know, but yes, in the manner in which Jesus meant, no problem, from conception, to the death of the body. Two perfect examples, are John the Baptist, and the thief on the cross.

"Except a man be born of water" ~ Context is king, and it does indeed drive our interpretation every single time. Water, as I said would have "never" been mention, if Nicodemus had not asked such a four year old question, never. When one is born of flesh, (the natural birth into this world) the mother's water breaks and the child is born, it is just that simple, and only folks with agenda's to support, and who love sound bites over studying and seeking for the true biblical sense would believe that water has reference to baptism, which is so foolish to believe, especially so in light of John 3:6-8 ~ where water is never mentioned again, and neither should be, since water in no sense has reference to being born again, by the Spirit of God.
One that is born of flesh, "must be" born again, before they can see/enter God's kingdom, or, the place/sphere where truth is seen, heard, understood, loved, and obey.
"and of the Spirit"~The new birth, is a birth of God's Spirit, His power alone spiritually resurrecting a elect dead sinner to life in Jesus Christ. Man is totally passive, God is the only active person working.

Ephesians 1:19
“And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,”

Ephesians 2:1​

“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;”

More on this when we consider John 3:6-8.

Later......RB

 

[Red Baker]

Why do i get the feeling that more and more will soon love the lie that it just didnt matter whether one believed JESUS to be CHRIST or not .
So allow me to remind us
to go and examine what paul preached in every jewish syangogue
where both jews and gentiles were present . And do take note he often warned those who rejected
as he shook the very dust off his feet . but many are fast falling in love with a very broad path all inclusive love .
It be of anti christ and mr baker , WE DONT IN ANY WAY wanna be co helpers and supporters of that which is of anti christ .
Just keep that it mind as you behold the workers of interfaith and its SO CALLED INTERELIGIOUS dialgoue . WHICH BE OF ANTI CHRIST .

Is English your first language? Just wondering, though no big deal. You are not easy to follow in exactly what you are attempting to say. Maybe you can try again using this post of yours.

You are more than welcome to take what I have said, and prove any point wrong you may disagree with.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Is English your first language? Just wondering, though no big deal. You are not easy to follow in exactly what you are attempting to say. Maybe you can try again using this post of yours~thanks.

My first langauage was but cries and babbles as i wet my drawers and filled my pampers with draught .
Soon i began to learn what is commonly termed english .
The reminder i gave you was a general one , not an accusation against you nor a complimenting of you .
So allow me to ask it again .
Or rather let me ask you this question .
DO you beleive its possible for satan himself to quote scripture and yet use said scripture to imply
a lie . NOW If you said yes , YOU WOULD BE VERY CORRECT .
SO please dont marvel if satan and his many peoples as their are grains of sand , can say
GOD IS LOVE and yet , ready for it , And yet be using a version of love
that might contain truths and yet leads to a lie . that in fact
his version of love has come in with JUDGE NOT CORRECT NOT , WHICH NEVER ONCE was to have been done by the church ,
to overlook sins , to rather try and GET ALONG
and not correct . And then as that version of the love of SATAN , and of the world grows
it leads even to things that are evil to GOD being called good . OH HE CAN DO THIS AND HE DOES DO THIS .
satan does this . THEN IN Time as more and more leaven grows , cause under the banner of love and being loving
IT WAS NOT CORRECTED , it leads even to acceptance of sins , EVEN in time OF UNBELIEF .
IF you think this cannot happen , my friend you are blind . IT HAS and its getting worse all the time
and yet those under see it as some kind of awakening , As love , EVEN OF GOD , but it of THE DEVIL .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Is English your first language? Just wondering, though no big deal. You are not easy to follow in exactly what you are attempting to say. Maybe you can try again using this post of yours.

You are more than welcome to take what I have said, and prove any point wrong you may disagree with.

Do you believe that satan can make something we were not supposed to do
seem as though its something we should do and that it will usher in something good for us .
IF NOT read genesis .
SO dont marvel that he can make interfaith seem GOOD and as though it can lead to world peace
WHEN IN FACT the evil of its interreligious dialagoue that DENIES the need to BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST
and rather implies all religoins serve the same GOD and that this is a good cause to attain peace n safety .
I SEE many who support interfaith and often go after men like me
with phrases that say OH SO YOU ARE FOR WAR . INTERFIATH is the means to attain world peace n safety they cry .
OH I KNOW it might seem likes its for a good cause
BUT UPON examination OF HOW they go about to attain this so callled world peace n safety ,
MAN HAS JESUS BEEN DENIED . SO here is the peace n safety that shall come upon them
SUDDEN DESTRUCTION FROM ON HIGH AND FROM ABOVE from THE ONE TRUE CHRIST OF GOD
who LAYS DOWN WITH FURIOUS VENGEANCE upon all who entered into that covenant
and were in any way and in any part a co helper and supporter of it .
GUESS folks seem to have forgotten ANTI CHRIST MAKES A PEACE covenant
WE BEEN DECIEVED . I TELL US ALL WE BEEN DECIEVED . Time to flee that dung hole called interfaith co exist
common ground bridge building dung . cause its all coming DOWN on the DAY OF THE LORD .

 

[Jim]

Romans 9:11
“(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth”

Jim, you know better, and truly, I'm not sure why you are kicking against the pricks! But, God's word will indeed triumph over your rejection of God's truth. Save yourself the battle and submit!

The election in Romans 9:11 was not about the salvation of either of the "children". The purpose was the bringing of the Messiah Jesus to earth. They were elected, chosen, for service not for salvation. I am not the one kicking against the pricks here. That is the terrible Calvinistic interpretation of Romans 9.

 

[Red Baker]

I SEE many who support interfaith and often go after men like me

You and Studyman need to lock up, you both are thinking that you are being persecuted for your faith, when maybe you are, and no doubt many are who are wrong in their faith, JW's, SDA's, Mormons and a host of others, who are hated and rejected. But no professors of the gospel are hated more than those who preach free justification by God's grace, through the obedience of Jesus Christ, no group! All these other false sects among God's very elect will join hand in hand fighting God's children.

Do you believe that satan can make something we were not supposed to do seem as though its something we should do and that it will usher in something good for us .

Let me say this:

2nd Corinthians 2:11​

“Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.”

I've been fighting him almost as long as you have been upon the earth. So, one word for you:

1st Kings 20:11​

“And the king of Israel answered and said, Tell him, Let not him that girdeth on his harness boast himself as he that putteth it off.”

If you have a word of exhortation for the people then by all means speak, if not, then most likely you have exhausted your knowledge, which to me seems as though you have.

Why not prove right or wrong what I have said from John 3 concerning the new birth, a good place to show if indeed you have the gift to teach God's children. I'm beginning to think you are full of beans! A nice way of saying:

My first langauage was but cries and babbles as i wet my drawers and filled my pampers with draught

 

[Red Baker]

John 3:4​

“Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?”

Let me add a few more thoughts to verse four to tie this verse into verse 6. Even if this was possible a person could be born twice into this world, he still would be born of flesh so said the Savior.

John 3:6​

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

Jesus is reaching back to 3:4,5, where Nicodemus raised natural birth. Nicodemus, there is a second birth totally different from your first natural birth. The two births have two very different results as to the nature of that birthed. The fleshly birth by two flesh parents yields a child with only a sinful fleshly nature.

In the word of God, flesh is a spiritual term describing depraved humanity (Genesis 5:3; Job 14:4; Psalm 51:5; 58:3; John 1:13; Romans 8:3-8; Ist Peter 3:21; 2nd Corinthians 7:1; etc.).

John Gill wrote:

By "flesh" here, is not meant the fleshy part of man, the body, as generated of another fleshy substance; for this is no other than what may be said of brutes; and besides, if this was the sense, "spirit", in the next clause, must mean the soul, whereas one soul is not generated from another: but by flesh is designed, the nature of man; not merely as weak and frail, but as unclean and corrupt, through sin; and which being propagated by natural generation from sinful men, cannot be otherwise; for "who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one", ( Job 14:4 ) .

To this we agree, because it agrees with the teaching of the word of God.

"that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"~Born of the Spirit, is the new birth, which birth, God is the only active person working. Such people who are born of God, are created after the image of Jesus Christ, thereby, they are considered as having the mind of Christ, thereby are spiritually able to have fellowship with God, which Adam's sinned caused a separation between man and God, restored again by Jesus Christ's, life, death and resurrection.

1st Corinthians 2:14-16​

“But the natural man (born only of flesh~RB) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

Later......RB

 

[Jim]

Let me add a few more thoughts to verse four to tie this verse into verse 6. Even if this was possible a person could be born twice into this world, he still would be born of flesh so said the Savior.

John 3:6​

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

Flesh begets flesh; Spirit begets spirit. Does that not tell you that the spirits of men are born of God? It certainly says that the spirit cannot be born of flesh, i.e., the spirit of a man cannot be born of his parents. The spirit of a man is born of God. And that is what the sinner needs to be born again of God.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

This verse is spoken, because of Nicodemus' questions in verse four:

John 3:4​

“Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?”

"How can a man be born when he is old?" Not in the manner in which Nicodemus was asking, that is impossible, as we all know, but yes, in the manner in which Jesus meant, no problem, from conception, to the death of the body. Two perfect examples, are John the Baptist, and the thief on the cross.

"Except a man be born of water" ~ Context is king, and it does indeed drive our interpretation every single time. Water, as I said would have "never" been mention, if Nicodemus had not asked such a four year old question, never. When one is born of flesh, (the natural birth into this world) the mother's water breaks and the child is born, it is just that simple, and only folks with agenda's to support, and who love sound bites over studying and seeking for the true biblical sense would believe that water has reference to baptism, which is so foolish to believe, especially so in light of John 3:6-8 ~ where water is never mentioned again, and neither should be, since water in no sense has reference to being born again, by the Spirit of God.
One that is born of flesh, "must be" born again, before they can see/enter God's kingdom, or, the place/sphere where truth is seen, heard, understood, loved, and obey.
"and of the Spirit"~The new birth, is a birth of God's Spirit, His power alone spiritually resurrecting a elect dead sinner to life in Jesus Christ. Man is totally passive, God is the only active person working.

Ephesians 1:19
“And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,”

Ephesians 2:1​

“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;”

More on this when we consider John 3:6-8.

Later......RB

The water of the word .
I was born again even before i was baptized a few months later .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Flesh begets flesh; Spirit begets spirit. Does that not tell you that the spirits of men are born of God? It certainly says that the spirit cannot be born of flesh, i.e., the spirit of a man cannot be born of his parents. The spirit of a man is born of God. And that is what the sinner needs to be born again of God.

Yes indeed . The sinner NEEDS to Believe on JESUS the CHRIST .
Now , while it is true that many often simply lip the name
but not in heart , proving they are not born again .
The problem is that many often came to another jesus that was preached of men
and not THE JESUS that GOD HIMSELF testified of ..............
due to the ever changing and ever wordly expanding views of what men taught them is Jesus .
Who soever Beleives that JESUS is the CHRIST is born of God . As i am sure you agree my friend .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Flesh begets flesh; Spirit begets spirit. Does that not tell you that the spirits of men are born of God? It certainly says that the spirit cannot be born of flesh, i.e., the spirit of a man cannot be born of his parents. The spirit of a man is born of God. And that is what the sinner needs to be born again of God.

The reminder i am about to give is a general reminder for us all .
I have noticed something and more so does it increase as of late .
People want to beleive that one can be born again and even though for years they never Knew or even confessed
JESUS that still they are born again .
But that my friend would be a lie .

 

[Jim]

The water of the word .
I was born again even before i was baptized a few months later .

And how do you know that?

 

[dwight92070]

And how do you know that?

That's an easy question, because I had a similar experience, as have millions of others. I was born again and then I was baptized about two weeks later. How do I know I was baptized? Because I was there. How do I know I was born again? By faith of course, which is the only Biblical sign that anyone is born again.

 

[dwight92070]

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I WANTED TO GATHER YOUR CHILDREN TOGETHER, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE UNWILLING. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!" Matthew 23:37-38

Wow, I guess we DO have a free will!! To suggest otherwise is another gospel.

 

[praise_yeshua]

And how do you know that?

Were all Israel saved when they were baptized in the cloud and in the sea?

 

[dwight92070]

John 1:12-13 "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born (not only) of blood, nor (only) the will of the flesh, nor (only) the will of man, but of God."

These are double - negatives. Obviously, we were all born of blood (we all have blood, as did our parents), we were all born of the flesh (we all have flesh, as our parents did), we were all born by the will of man (that would be the will of our parents). Jesus calls this birth being "born of water" in John 3:5

 

[Red Baker]

John 1:12-13 "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born (not only) of blood, nor (only) the will of the flesh, nor (only) the will of man, but of God."

These are double - negatives. Obviously, we were all born of blood (we all have blood, as did our parents), we were all born of the flesh (we all have flesh, as our parents did), we were all born by the will of man (that would be the will of our parents). Jesus calls this birth being "born of water" in John 3:5

A classic example of eisegesis of God's word. You are interpreting John 1:12,13 by inserting your own corrupt ideas, biases, agendas...simple put, you are doing what the old divines called ~ reading into the text what you wish was there, hoping others would accept your lies.

John 1:13 is a commentary on John 1:12. in light of what had been said in John 1:10,11.

"Jesus calls this birth being "born of water" in John 3:5"~Go there and prove what you think you see there, it should be interesting.
I'll come, and test what you have to say, or better yet, take what I have posted and prove any point wrong.