What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

thus any other gosple , any other jesus preached
that is contrary to the one in that bible , I WOULD NOT HEED A WORD ONE outta that mans lips
no matter HOW Loving he tries to make it sound .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

yes like the banker who trains them in handling the real $100 bills to when a counterfeit crosses their hands it stands out like a sour thumb. Know the truth and the truth will set you free. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.

What would you do if you seen one walking towards a river PLUMB full of hungry crocodiles .
YET he did not beleive it was dangerous .
Would we just cheer him on as he got closer and closer to the edge
and tell ourselves , HEY dont judge , Lets just encourage him in his walk .
OR WOULD WE GET UP with a sense of REAL URGENCY and warn that man of the dangers and the death
that awaits him IF he keeps on the path he is on and goes into that river to swim.
SO please understand WHY i warn those in bad denominations as well .
The RCC is deadly dangerous as is the mormon , the jw and scores of others too
THEY swimming with the gators my friend and we had better try and pull them out .

 

[civic]

What would you do if you seen one walking towards a river PLUMB full of hungry crocodiles .
YET he did not beleive it was dangerous .
Would we just cheer him on as he got closer and closer to the edge
and tell ourselves , HEY dont judge , Lets just encourage him in his walk .
OR WOULD WE GET UP with a sense of REAL URGENCY and warn that man of the dangers and the death
that awaits him IF he keeps on the path he is on and goes into that river to swim.
SO please understand WHY i warn those in bad denominations as well .
The RCC is deadly dangerous as is the mormon , the jw and scores of others too
THEY swimming with the gators my friend and we had better try and pull them out .

I let those with false christs know they have them but the problem is they are blinded by the god of this world and the glory of Christ is hidden from them.

2 Cor 4:4
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

I let those with false christs know they have them but the problem is they are blinded by the god of this world and the glory of Christ is hidden from them.

2 Cor 4:4
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake

Your right the problem is many are blinded by the god of this world and do follow
a false version of Christ .
But the problem is not warning such and doing all for the sakes of the peoples trapped in their indoctrination .
As i kinda think you see that as well my friend .
THE PROBLEM is , however , when those trapped in such places are allowed
under the guise of judge not correct not , TO TELL US how and what to say .
Think about what i just said in my last statement .
WHEN WE ALLOW the decieved to dictate to us how we should speak , how we should do
I TELL US ALL we just walked right into their victim card mentalility .
AND BELEVE ME , it works to THEIR ADVANTAGE .
DID JESUS allow the methods of men to dictate what he did or what he taught .
No sir .
NOR can the church do such a thing . THAT IS HOW LEAVEN HAS GROWN MASSIVE .
under the banner that its loving to overlook false doctrines and even sins within the church .
SOCIETY has infiltrated MANY places and i must admit for a very long time .
But now in this end hour its FRUITS are showing ITS ROOTS and From whence this judge not
correct not , rebuking brethren in sin , HAS COME FROM .
FOR Many did not realize the root was rotted . They saw the green leaves
and thought oh it must be okay . BUT NOW THE FRUIT is really showing itself . FRIEND ITS ROTTED
cause the ROOT was rotted . but because it had appearance of green leaves , OR some truths
Many folks bought into it . NOW leaven has taken them captive .
SO what we must do is Learn well the pattern set in that bible .
VIEW how the apostels saw sin and what they said about sin within the church
Look at their messages . YOU GONNA SEE things like LET IT NOT ONCE be named .
YOU GONNA see them saying REBUKE those who sin SHARPLY
You gonna see an way different mindset that sure dont even begin to agree with todays mindset of judge not correct not .
GOD WAS HONORED BY THE APOSTELS . HE WAS PUT FIRST , CHRIST was put FIRST
THEY LOVED GOD FIRST AND FOREMOST . and its very clear they did , cause they actually did
correct the brethren and did not allow crap doctrine , sins upon them .
TODAYS version of what men thought would grow the church , IT DESTROYED THE CHURCH . oh they gained numbers
BUT the fish caught became twice the children of hell themselves as sin just gets worse and worse .
I aint the enemy . OH I KNOW i am different . I KNOW i am grave and might seem hateful to this generation
BUT its they who were lulled to sleep . SOME Of us , by the grace of GOD just simply loved truth , learned the bible
and know how to take care of the church . BUT WE SEEN as MONSTERS to this generation . AS MONSTERS i tell ya .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

yes like the banker who trains them in handling the real $100 bills to when a counterfeit crosses their hands it stands out like a sour thumb. Know the truth and the truth will set you free. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.

We who know the truth have a dire responsibility to expound the truth .
Those who have learned and have had their senses exercised to discern both good and evil
HAVE the responsiblity to care for the church .
And i am gonna need you and others to help me . Now if anything i say seems to be hateful to you
Be sure and let me know .
But know this , its not being hateful to warn , to remind , to do all one can to help others , correct others .
And that would include exposing false teachers and their doctrine and any place that does so teach deadly doctrine .
You can follow me around if you like . You wont see me calling people STUPIED or Names
BUT you will sure seem me tearing into false doctrine and exposing false teachings and teachers and institutions .
I RIP to shreds false doctrine , but notice i dont name call ONE PERSON .
The same cannot be said about what others have called me . AND i dont even report them when they do .
Nor name call back . I JUST KEEPS EXPOSING THE FALSE DOCTINE , false go spells , sins and etc .

 

[Red Baker]

We who know the truth have a dire responsibility to expound the truth .

Agreed. So, would you take time and address these questions below, using the word of God, providing your own scriptures to support what you believe is the truth.

We who know the truth have a dire responsibility to expound the truth .

What is another gospel........Is the gospel preach a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof?......... the gospel, the power of God for whom and why?

Five questions if answered properly. Thanks in advance.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Agreed. So, would you take time and address these questions below, using the word of God, providing your own scriptures to support what you believe is the truth.



Five questions if answered properly. Thanks in advance.

Ye shall not hate your neighbor in your heart you shall in any way correct him and not allow sin upon him .
That just summed up the answer to all them questions my friend .
If we know one is in error and sin we ought to correct them and not allow them to remain in error , in sin .
Now many can quoate the gospel and yet they still preach another jesus .

 

[Red Baker]

Ye shall not hate your neighbor in your heart you shall in any way correct him and not allow sin upon him .

Greetings,

Leviticus 19:17​

“Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.”

Describes what true charity is, but that's "not" what I ask you, one more time:

would you take time and address these questions below, using the word of God, providing your own scriptures to support what you believe is the truth.

Five questions if answered properly. Thanks in advance.

And the questions are:

What is another gospel........Is the gospel preach a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof?......... the gospel, the power of God for whom and why?

1. What is the another gospel ~ using Galatians 2-5:4 would be much appreciated.

2/3. Is the gospel preach a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof? This will reveal if you truly embrace the gospel of Jesus Christ.

4. The gospel is the power of God for whom?

5. And Why is it so?

Anyone can answer.

 

[Johann]

1. What is the another gospel ~ using Galatians 2-5:4 would be much appreciated.

2/3. Is the gospel preach a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof? This will reveal if you truly embrace the gospel of Jesus Christ.

4. The gospel is the power of God for whom?

5. And Why is it so?

What is "another gospel" according to Galatians 2–5:4?

In Galatians, Paul warns against "another gospel," which he defines as a distortion of the true gospel of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:6-9). Examining Galatians 2–5:4, we see that this false gospel primarily concerns adding the works of the Law, especially circumcision, as a requirement for justification.

Galatians 2:16 – Paul asserts that a person is justified "not by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ." The "another gospel" being promoted is one that insists on law-keeping as a means of righteousness before God.

Galatians 3:2-3 – Paul questions the Galatians, asking whether they received the Spirit "by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith." The contrast here shows that the true gospel is about faith in Christ, whereas the false gospel promotes reliance on human effort.

Galatians 4:9-10 – Paul rebukes them for turning back to "weak and beggarly elements" by observing Jewish feast days, months, times, and years, suggesting that they are placing themselves back under bondage.

Galatians 5:1-4 – Paul makes it clear that those who seek to be justified by the Law (circumcision as a symbol of legal obligation) have "fallen from grace," meaning they have abandoned the principle of salvation by grace through faith alone.

Thus, "another gospel" is any message that perverts salvation by faith alone in Christ by adding human works, particularly the Mosaic Law, as a necessary means of justification.

2/3. Is the gospel merely a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof?
The gospel is both the revelation of how we are born again and the actual means by which we are.

The Gospel as Revelation – The gospel proclaims the message of Jesus Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This is the divinely revealed truth about salvation, instructing sinners on how to receive eternal life through faith.

The Gospel as the Means of Salvation – Romans 1:16 declares, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth." The gospel is not merely an informative doctrine but the very means by which God saves those who believe.

1 Peter 1:23 clarifies that believers are "born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever." James 1:18 likewise states, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth," showing that the preached gospel is the instrumental means through which regeneration occurs.

Faith itself is produced through the hearing of the gospel (Romans 10:17), making it not just a source of knowledge but the actual vehicle through which God brings about new birth.

4. The gospel is the power of God for whom?
According to Romans 1:16, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth—both to the Jew and the Greek. This means that the gospel’s effectiveness is conditional upon faith; it does not automatically save all people but only those who truly believe in Christ.

5. And why is it so?
The gospel is the power of God for salvation because it is God's appointed means of reconciling sinners through faith in Christ’s atoning work.

Because Christ’s Righteousness is Revealed (Romans 1:17) – The gospel reveals "the righteousness of God from faith to faith," meaning that salvation is entirely grounded in faith, from start to finish.

Because It Removes Condemnation (Romans 8:1) – Those in Christ are no longer under condemnation, as the gospel transfers them from death to life.

Because It Is the Divine Instrument for Salvation (1 Corinthians 1:18) – "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." The gospel’s power is not in mere words but in the transformative work of Christ applied to believers.

Because It Produces Faith (Romans 10:17) – "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Faith is the necessary means by which individuals appropriate salvation, and the gospel is the instrument that imparts it.
The gospel is not just good news about salvation but the divine power that brings salvation to those who believe, transforming them by the Spirit and securing them in Christ.

J.

 

[Red Baker]

My dear brother Johann,

Thank you very much for addressing this in detail and according to the light God has been please to give you, but my dear brother, there more light to be had, for those those that seek for it. Your answer would had been exactly what I have given as a young believer many years ago.

Acts 18:24​

“And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.”

One can be eloquent and even mighty in the scriptures and fervent in the spirit, laboring as you just did, teaching diligently the things of the Lord, and still come up a little short, for there is a more perfect way of answering these questions using the word of God, which every lover of the scriptures who possess the fear of God desires to do.

What is "another gospel" according to Galatians 2–5:4?

In Galatians, Paul warns against "another gospel," which he defines as a distortion of the true gospel of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:6-9). Examining Galatians 2–5:4, we see that this false gospel primarily concerns adding the works of the Law, especially circumcision, as a requirement for justification.

Galatians 2:16 – Paul asserts that a person is justified "not by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ." The "another gospel" being promoted is one that insists on law-keeping as a means of righteousness before God.

Galatians 3:2-3 – Paul questions the Galatians, asking whether they received the Spirit "by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith." The contrast here shows that the true gospel is about faith in Christ, whereas the false gospel promotes reliance on human effort.

Galatians 4:9-10 – Paul rebukes them for turning back to "weak and beggarly elements" by observing Jewish feast days, months, times, and years, suggesting that they are placing themselves back under bondage.

I refuse to make a brother an offender over every little word, so, I agree with what you have this said so far, no problems.

Galatians 5:1-4 – Paul makes it clear that those who seek to be justified by the Law (circumcision as a symbol of legal obligation) have "fallen from grace," meaning they have abandoned the principle of salvation by grace through faith alone.

Paul does make it clear that any person seeking to be justified by the works of the law (meaning, any commandment that basically said: "This DO, and live, sin, and die") that a man has an active part in, that person has fallen from grace, or, the doctrine of the true grace of God.

Johann, not that they have fallen from the doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone, unless, one is preaching that the obedience and faith of Jesus Christ as "the only means" of any sinner being justified freely by God's grace, then we would agree, but we know that man's faith is not even under consideration as the means of one's legal justification before God, for that is against the very gospel Paul is protecting in Galatians 2:16-5:4. Let us keep going, I'm sure we will come back to this again.

Thus, "another gospel" is any message that perverts salvation by faith alone in Christ by adding human works, particularly the Mosaic Law, as a necessary means of justification.

Summary of point one: Another gospel is any message that perverts free justification by the faith and obedience of Jesus Christ alone, for the very elect's salvation from sin and condemnation, is another gospel that truly falls under the curse of God.

Can you wait, until I'm finish with all points, it would be much appreciated.

 

[Johann]

My dear brother Johann,

Thank you very much for addressing this in detail and according to the light God has been please to give you, but my dear brother, there more light to be had, for those those that seek for it. Your answer would had been exactly what I have given as a young believer many years ago.

Acts 18:24​

“And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.”

One can be eloquent and even mighty in the scriptures and fervent in the spirit, laboring as you just did, teaching diligently the things of the Lord, and still come up a little short, for there is a more perfect way of answering these questions using the word of God, which every lover of the scriptures who possess the fear of God desires to do.

I refuse to make a brother an offender over every little word, so, I agree with what you have this said so far, no problems.

Paul does make it clear that any person seeking to be justified by the works of the law (meaning, any commandment that basically said: "This DO, and live, sin, and die") that a man has an active part in, that person has fallen from grace, or, the doctrine of the true grace of God.

Johann, not that they have fallen from the doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone, unless, one is preaching that the obedience and faith of Jesus Christ as "the only means" of any sinner being justified freely by God's grace, then we would agree, but we know that man's faith is not even under consideration as the means of one's legal justification before God, for that is against the very gospel Paul is protecting in Galatians 2:16-5:4. Let us keep going, I'm sure we will come back to this again.

Summary of point one: Another gospel is any message that perverts free justification by the faith and obedience of Jesus Christ alone, for the very elect's salvation from sin and condemnation, is another gospel that truly falls under the curse of God.

Can you wait, until I'm finish with all points, it would be much appreciated.

Go ahead @Red Baker.

J.

 

[Red Baker]

2/3. Is the gospel merely a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof?
The gospel is both the revelation of how we are born again and the actual means by which we are.

The Gospel as Revelation – The gospel proclaims the message of Jesus Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This is the divinely revealed truth about salvation, instructing sinners on how to receive eternal life through faith.

The Gospel as the Means of Salvation – Romans 1:16 declares, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth." The gospel is not merely an informative doctrine but the very means by which God saves those who believe.

1 Peter 1:23 clarifies that believers are "born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever." James 1:18 likewise states, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth," showing that the preached gospel is the instrumental means through which regeneration occurs.

Faith itself is produced through the hearing of the gospel (Romans 10:17), making it not just a source of knowledge but the actual vehicle through which God brings about new birth.

1. While we agree that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, but, this is could only be true of one that has been born of God first, then it goes without reason, that faith comes to a new born child of God comes through hearing the scriptures, and to the degree they hear it taught correctly is their faith truly built upon the very foundation the apostles first laid. Romans 10:17 is true only of one that has first been given a new man, that does indeed have the power to have faith, but life must first be given, before one can hear, see, obey, etc.

2. Let us consider 1st Peter 1:23, and then give it the true sense that would flow with all scriptures, in order for us to see the truth on this all important topic.

1 Peter 1:23-25​

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."

How am I suppose to understand the sense of this scripture, (Nehemiah 8:8) knowing what all scriptures teach concerning man in his nature state as he is born through Adam's generation, inheriting Adam's fallen sinful nature, that is dead in trespasses and sin, knowing that the same power that resurrected Jesus Christ from the dead, must also be used to quicken us to spiritual life in Jesus Christ? To me, it is simple, scriptures interpret scriptures and opens them up to us. Follow me and ponder well what I will show you from God's word ~then test us with God's word which you should do.

1 Corinthians 2:1​

“And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.”

Brother the word of God is God's testimony to us concerning TRUTHS ~ truths that are hidden from most, yet revealed unto babes, who are willing to search them out, knowing that the scriptures are indeed God's testimony to us concerning every truth we need to know. God could have chosen any way to communicate to us ~ he could have planted trees in this world with a new message on it every so often, to reveal himself, yet he has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save that THAT BELIEVE~that is, as a means of their practical salvation in growth and understanding of God.

1 John 5:9-11​

“If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.”

Brother Johann, I quoted 1st Cor. 2:1; and here from first John to show you how we must understand such scriptures as 1st Peter 1:23~When Peter said we were born again by the word of God, the only sense that would flow with all scriptures is this: we are born again by God's testimony/witness the only record that he has provided for us concerning truths that we must believe and stand upon. I would never have known just how I, a sinner corrupt and at enmity against God came to believe and love him apart from God's testimony concerning how I and you were born of his Spirit, when we were in darkness and loving the darkness we were living in!

I'll come back and make another post, I'm trying to keep them short so the truth I'm attempting to present can be ponder and tested.

 

[Red Baker]

4. The gospel is the power of God for whom?
According to Romans 1:16, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth—both to the Jew and the Greek. This means that the gospel’s effectiveness is conditional upon faith; it does not automatically save all people but only those who truly believe in Christ.

Romans 1:16​

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of God "only" to those who are believers (to every one that believeth), to all others it is foolishness! That's not my personal opinion, even though I have definitely come to understand this, by living in this world for almost 80 years. It is the testimony of God himself.

1st Corinthians 1:18​

“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which "are" saved it is the power of God.”

The gospel is the power of God to believers, and it is given for their salvation (in a practical sense) to enlightened them of their great salvation that Christ secured for them by his perfect life of obedience and faith which was made an offering for their salvation from sin and condemnation. The true knowledge of this salvation also saves them from the teaching of false prophets, so, in this sense and others, it is indeed the power of God for them.

Romans 1:16,17 should be considered along with 1st Corinthians 1:18-31.

I'll address Romans 1:17 in the next post under the final point.

 

[Johann]

1. While we agree that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, but, this is could only be true of one that has been born of God first, then it goes without reason, that faith comes to a new born child of God comes through hearing the scriptures, and to the degree they hear it taught correctly is their faith truly built upon the very foundation the apostles first laid. Romans 10:17 is true only of one that has first been given a new man, that does indeed have the power to have faith, but life must first be given, before one can hear, see, obey, etc.

2. Let us consider 1st Peter 1:23, and then give it the true sense that would flow with all scriptures, in order for us to see the truth on this all important topic.

1 Peter 1:23-25​

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."

@Red Baker

While we agree that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17), the question is whether this applies only to those who have already been born of God or if it is the means by which God grants faith to sinners. You assert that faith can only come to one who has already been regenerated, meaning that life must first be given before one can hear, believe, or obey. But does Scripture truly support this?

Let’s consider 1 Peter 1:23-25:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth forever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."

You argue that the "word of God" here refers to God's testimony or record, not to the preaching of the gospel as a means by which sinners are born again.

But does this interpretation align with what Peter actually states? He explicitly says that we are born again by the word of God, and then immediately identifies this word as the gospel that was preached to you. This means that the preached gospel is the instrument through which God brings about the new birth.

If regeneration precedes faith, then how can Peter say that the new birth comes by means of the gospel?
The text does not say that a person must be regenerated first and then hear the gospel; rather, it teaches that the gospel itself is the means by which new birth takes place.

You also reference 1 Corinthians 2:1 and 1 John 5:9-11, emphasizing that God's testimony is the only record by which we know the truth. I do not disagree that God's testimony is vital, but we must ask: how does this testimony reach sinners?

Paul answers this in Romans 10:14: "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"
The logical sequence here is clear-hearing comes before believing, and believing comes before calling upon the Lord.
There is no indication that one must be regenerated before they can hear and believe.

Additionally, Ephesians 1:13 states: "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise."

Notice the order: first they heard the word of truth, then they believed, and only after believing were they sealed with the Holy Spirit. This contradicts the idea that regeneration must precede faith.

If regeneration must precede faith, how do you explain Jesus' own words in John 20:31? "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
Here, believing comes first, and life follows. If your position were correct, this verse would need to say, "that having life, ye might believe," but it does not.

Brother, I am not denying that the power of God is necessary for a sinner to believe, but the consistent testimony of Scripture is that faith comes through the preached word, and it is through faith that one is justified and receives the new birth. If you hold that one must first be regenerated before faith, then we must ask: where does Scripture ever make this explicit? Rather, we consistently see faith being the means by which sinners receive life, not something that follows after it.

Let us reason together, testing all things by God's Word, and seeing whether regeneration truly precedes faith or whether faith, as Scripture teaches, is the means by which we are born again through the living and abiding Word of God.

J.

 

[Red Baker]

5. And why is it so?
The gospel is the power of God for salvation because it is God's appointed means of reconciling sinners through faith in Christ’s atoning work.

Dear brother Johann,

It is the power of God revealing to us, how we obtained the righteousness of God through the faith and obedience of Jesus Christ. Revealing to us how God can be just while justifying sinners who are at enmity against him. The righteousness of God is revealed therein when preached according to God's testimony. The appointed means is Christ's faith and obedience not man's, since is dead spiritually toward God a captive of sin and devil himself, without strength (spiritually speaking ~ Romans 5:6) to deliver himself in anyway possible, and truly he does not even seek a way on his own.

Because Christ’s Righteousness is Revealed (Romans 1:17) – The gospel reveals "the righteousness of God from faith to faith," meaning that salvation is entirely grounded in faith, from start to finish.

"the righteousness of God from faith to faith,"~ meaning that God's righteousness, how God provided this righteousness for his elect, is reveal from a person who has faith, to another person who has faith ~ it is impossible to reveal such truths to those unregenerate, since it is foolishness to them, besides, they are still dead in trespasses and sins, they cannot hear, see, nor understand, neither do they even desire to! Their stoney heart must be removed first by teh Spirit of teh Living God before they can believe, repent, etc.

Ezekiel 36:26​

“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”

Because It Removes Condemnation (Romans 8:1) – Those in Christ are no longer under condemnation, as the gospel transfers them from death to life.

Amen

Because It Is the Divine Instrument for Salvation (1 Corinthians 1:18) – "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." The gospel’s power is not in mere words but in the transformative work of Christ applied to believers.

For our practical salvation from error, to the truth, from boasting to true humility, from trusting in our works to fully, and only trusting in Jesus Christ's righteousness to enter into eternal life in the world to come. etc., etc.

Because It Produces Faith (Romans 10:17) – "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Faith is the necessary means by which individuals appropriate salvation, and the gospel is the instrument that imparts it.

Faith is the strongest evidence that we have hope of eternal life through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, our Lord.

1 John 5:1​

“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.”

John 20:31​

“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
That is...the knowledge of!

So much more could be said, but enough to lead to many more (I trust,) good posts for young believer's increasing in the true knowledge of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Red Baker]

Johann, I have some meetings soon, but will address any and all posts later.

 

[Johann]

Johann, I have some meetings soon, but will address any and all posts later.

I'll be here brother.

J.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Greetings,

Leviticus 19:17​

“Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.”

Describes what true charity is, but that's "not" what I ask you, one more time:

And the questions are:

1. What is the another gospel ~ using Galatians 2-5:4 would be much appreciated.

2/3. Is the gospel preach a source of information concerning how we are born again, or is it the means thereof? This will reveal if you truly embrace the gospel of Jesus Christ.

4. The gospel is the power of God for whom?

5. And Why is it so?

Anyone can answer.

another gospel is any gospel preached that is contrary in any way to the gospel given us by CHRIST and later by the apostles .
The gospel is both a source of information and the means thereof .
The spirit draws us To Christ and those who are and do beleive are sealed by HIS Spirit .
Jesus told them how one is born again . And HE sure said and included the dire need to believe on HIM .
The born again BELIEVE ON HIM and any who believes not is not born again .
IN other words there are no born again muslims , hindus , new agers , atheists
for if they were they would not longer have professed to be those , they would now reject them false fables of men
and have cried aloud and confessed aloud THE LORD JESUS CHRIST .
Now as for the preaching of another jesus , that is what a lot within christendom must be on gaurd against .
FOR many within christendom come to this other jesus whom man preached
who honors their sins , accepts their sins . Only while this other jesus they preached promised them salvation
IT CANNOT deliver them salvation , FOR IT IS NOT THE CHRIST OF GOD . JESUS is no minstir of any sin . He came to set us free
FROM SIN and not to feel free to sin . HE came to give us liberty
Yet many use this liberty socalled to serve the flesh . AND that aint what liberty was meant for at all .
ONLY USE NOT your liberty as an occasion to serve the FLESH . yet many sure do . proving
they have no liberty , have not been set free and do indeed follow another jesus which IS NOT JESUS .

 

[Johann]

Faith is the strongest evidence that we have hope of eternal life through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, our Lord.

1 John 5:1​

“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.”

John 20:31​

“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
That is...the knowledge of!

1 John 5:1 (KJV)
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."

1. "Whosoever believeth" (πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων)
The verb πιστεύων (pisteuōn) is a present participle of πιστεύω (pisteuō, "to believe"), which indicates continuous or habitual action. It refers to those who are continually believing or those who have made a decisive, ongoing commitment to the belief that Jesus is the Christ.
"Believeth" in this sense is not just a one-time act but describes a lifestyle of faith—a person who has placed their trust in Jesus and continues to abide in that trust.

2. "That Jesus is the Christ" (ὅτι Ἰησοῦς ἐστιν ὁ Χριστός)
This clause affirms the core of Christian faith: Jesus is the Messiah (the Christ) sent by God. The phrase "is the Christ" denotes identification with the long-expected Messiah of the Old Testament (see Isaiah 9:6–7, Daniel 9:25–26).

3. "Is born of God" (ἐγεννήθη ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ)
The verb ἐγεννήθη (egenēthē, "was born") is an aorist passive verb, indicating that this is a completed action initiated by someone else (God), and the subject (the one believing) receives the action. Being born of God implies a spiritual rebirth, a concept associated with regeneration (John 3:3–7). The passive voice indicates that the individual does not regenerate themselves, but rather is regenerated by God.

4. "Every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him"
"Loveth" (ἀγαπῶν, agapōn) is a present participle, indicating an ongoing action. This love is a natural consequence of being born of God. Those who love God (the Father) will also love those who are born of God (the brethren, Christ and others who belong to Him).
This highlights the inseparable connection between the believer's love for God and love for fellow believers, both of whom are in the family of God.

Faith leads to regeneration (birth from God), and this leads to love for God and His people.
This passage emphasizes that believing in Jesus as the Christ is the foundational evidence that one has been born of God and is part of the divine family.

John 20:31 (KJV)
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

1. "These are written" (ταῦτα γέγραπται)
The verb "written" (γέγραπται, gegraptai) is in the perfect tense, indicating that these things have been written in the past with lasting effects and continue to be in force. The written word of God (the Scriptures) serves as a testimony to Jesus’ identity and mission.

2. "That ye might believe" (ἵνα πιστεύητε)
The verb "might believe" (πιστεύητε, pisteuēte) is in the subjunctive mood, suggesting purpose or potential. John’s writing has the purpose of leading the reader to believe. The idea is that the testimony in John’s Gospel is designed to bring faith into the hearts of the readers.

3. "That Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" (ὅτι Ἰησοῦς ἐστιν ὁ Χριστός, ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ)
This phrase is identical to the content of 1 John 5:1, affirming that faith in Jesus as the Christ is the essential truth for salvation. By believing this testimony, one participates in the saving work of Christ.
John emphasizes that the believer’s faith is not just in Jesus as a historical figure, but in His divine nature as the Messiah and the Son of God.

4. "That believing ye might have life through his name" (ἵνα ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι αὐτοῦ ζωὴν ἔξητε)
The verb "might have" (ἔξητε, exēte) is in the subjunctive mood, indicating the potential result of belief. Eternal life is the result of faith in Jesus. The name of Jesus here symbolizes His identity and authority. By faith in His name, the believer is granted life (zoē), which, in Johannine theology, refers to eternal life (John 17:3).

The written word of God (the Gospel) is not just for knowledge but for the purpose of producing faith in Jesus as the Christ.
Through believing this testimony, the believer receives life—eternal life through Jesus’ name, emphasizing faith as the means of salvation.

Cross-References:
John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

This affirms that belief in Jesus is necessary for eternal life and underlines the response of faith.

Romans 10:9 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Belief in Jesus’ identity and resurrection is the means by which one is justified and saved.

John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

Hearing and believing the word of God grants eternal life, showing the link between faith and life in Christ.

Romans 5:1 - "Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Justification by faith brings peace with God, a result of faith in Christ as the Savior.

1 Peter 1:8-9 - "Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

Belief in Jesus, whom the believers do not physically see, leads to the salvation of their souls, further emphasizing the power of faith in securing eternal life.

Summary:
Both 1 John 5:1 and John 20:31 establish that faith in Jesus as the Christ is the foundational truth of salvation. Faith is the means by which we receive eternal life—faith that Jesus is both the Messiah and the Son of God. The Johannine writings underline that believing this truth leads to being born of God and receiving life through Christ. Through the testimony of Scripture, believers come to a living faith that brings about salvation and eternal life.

J.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

1 John 5:1 (KJV)
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."

1. "Whosoever believeth" (πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων)
The verb πιστεύων (pisteuōn) is a present participle of πιστεύω (pisteuō, "to believe"), which indicates continuous or habitual action. It refers to those who are continually believing or those who have made a decisive, ongoing commitment to the belief that Jesus is the Christ.
"Believeth" in this sense is not just a one-time act but describes a lifestyle of faith—a person who has placed their trust in Jesus and continues to abide in that trust.

2. "That Jesus is the Christ" (ὅτι Ἰησοῦς ἐστιν ὁ Χριστός)
This clause affirms the core of Christian faith: Jesus is the Messiah (the Christ) sent by God. The phrase "is the Christ" denotes identification with the long-expected Messiah of the Old Testament (see Isaiah 9:6–7, Daniel 9:25–26).

3. "Is born of God" (ἐγεννήθη ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ)
The verb ἐγεννήθη (egenēthē, "was born") is an aorist passive verb, indicating that this is a completed action initiated by someone else (God), and the subject (the one believing) receives the action. Being born of God implies a spiritual rebirth, a concept associated with regeneration (John 3:3–7). The passive voice indicates that the individual does not regenerate themselves, but rather is regenerated by God.

4. "Every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him"
"Loveth" (ἀγαπῶν, agapōn) is a present participle, indicating an ongoing action. This love is a natural consequence of being born of God. Those who love God (the Father) will also love those who are born of God (the brethren, Christ and others who belong to Him).
This highlights the inseparable connection between the believer's love for God and love for fellow believers, both of whom are in the family of God.

Faith leads to regeneration (birth from God), and this leads to love for God and His people.
This passage emphasizes that believing in Jesus as the Christ is the foundational evidence that one has been born of God and is part of the divine family.

John 20:31 (KJV)
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

1. "These are written" (ταῦτα γέγραπται)
The verb "written" (γέγραπται, gegraptai) is in the perfect tense, indicating that these things have been written in the past with lasting effects and continue to be in force. The written word of God (the Scriptures) serves as a testimony to Jesus’ identity and mission.

2. "That ye might believe" (ἵνα πιστεύητε)
The verb "might believe" (πιστεύητε, pisteuēte) is in the subjunctive mood, suggesting purpose or potential. John’s writing has the purpose of leading the reader to believe. The idea is that the testimony in John’s Gospel is designed to bring faith into the hearts of the readers.

3. "That Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" (ὅτι Ἰησοῦς ἐστιν ὁ Χριστός, ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ)
This phrase is identical to the content of 1 John 5:1, affirming that faith in Jesus as the Christ is the essential truth for salvation. By believing this testimony, one participates in the saving work of Christ.
John emphasizes that the believer’s faith is not just in Jesus as a historical figure, but in His divine nature as the Messiah and the Son of God.

4. "That believing ye might have life through his name" (ἵνα ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι αὐτοῦ ζωὴν ἔξητε)
The verb "might have" (ἔξητε, exēte) is in the subjunctive mood, indicating the potential result of belief. Eternal life is the result of faith in Jesus. The name of Jesus here symbolizes His identity and authority. By faith in His name, the believer is granted life (zoē), which, in Johannine theology, refers to eternal life (John 17:3).

The written word of God (the Gospel) is not just for knowledge but for the purpose of producing faith in Jesus as the Christ.
Through believing this testimony, the believer receives life—eternal life through Jesus’ name, emphasizing faith as the means of salvation.

Cross-References:
John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

This affirms that belief in Jesus is necessary for eternal life and underlines the response of faith.

Romans 10:9 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Belief in Jesus’ identity and resurrection is the means by which one is justified and saved.

John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

Hearing and believing the word of God grants eternal life, showing the link between faith and life in Christ.

Romans 5:1 - "Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Justification by faith brings peace with God, a result of faith in Christ as the Savior.

1 Peter 1:8-9 - "Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

Belief in Jesus, whom the believers do not physically see, leads to the salvation of their souls, further emphasizing the power of faith in securing eternal life.

Summary:
Both 1 John 5:1 and John 20:31 establish that faith in Jesus as the Christ is the foundational truth of salvation. Faith is the means by which we receive eternal life—faith that Jesus is both the Messiah and the Son of God. The Johannine writings underline that believing this truth leads to being born of God and receiving life through Christ. Through the testimony of Scripture, believers come to a living faith that brings about salvation and eternal life.

J.

His faith was counted to HIM as righteousness .
Abraham BELIEVED GOD .
many cliam to beleive in Him but do not BELIEVE HIS WORDS .
Thus the cry to warn all about not following any other gospel , or jesus is a dire necessity .
For many in this day and age both cliam to Believe in Christ Jesus
and yet follow another version , and that there version of theirs , CONTRADICTS that there BIBLICAL ONE .
GOD cannot , CHRIST cannot , the SPIRIT cannot speak a lie .
Yet many seem to follow such who do so and yet believe its GOD , THE WORD , THE SPIRIT they be hearing from .
GOD cannot LIE . just a friendly reminder . HE WILL NOT DENY HIMSELF , HIS WORDS . again another friendly reminder .
As i am sure you already KNOW this my friend . It is bible time in the building .