Veneration of Mary

part two
17. Names of Blasphemy
Catholic officials take names for themselves reserved solely for God, such as:
1) Pontiff (or Pontifix Maximus) which is a papal title meaning "chief bridge builder between earth and heaven." Only Jesus has this role.
2) Holy Father is the title the popes claim for themselves, yet Jesus addressed His heavenly father in this way in His Gethsemane prayer before His crucifixion: "Holy Father, keep them in Your name, those whom You have given Me" (John 17:11).
3) Father is a title Catholic priests claim, yet Jesus said to call no man Father (Matthew 23:9).
4) Monsignor means "my Lord," and this title belongs to God.
5) Reverend is a title Catholic priests and Protestant ministers claim—but belongs to God alone (Psalms 111:9).
6) Mary as Queen of Heaven. The "Queen of Heaven" is a pagan goddess. Jeremiah rebuked the Israelites when burned incense to the queen of heaven (Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-19).

18. Transubstantiation (Instituted in AD 1215)
Definition:"The whole substance of the bread and wine is converted into the actual and real, entire body and blood of Christ." Radbertus first suggested this idea in the 9th century. Catholicism supports this by a literal view of Matthew 26:26-29. The bread and wine, however, were only symbols of Christ's body and blood—partaken of as an act of remembrance (Luke 22:19). There is no "conversion" of the bread into literal flesh, nor of the wine into blood. Note:
1) Jesus, after saying "this is My blood" in verse 28, added: "I will not drink at all of this fruit of the vine…" (verse 29)—showing that it was still wine and had not changed into blood.
2) Jesus often described Himself in symbols, yet no one takes these literally:
• John 10:7 "I am the door"—Did Jesus mean He was literally wooden? No.
• John 14:6 "I am the way"—Did Jesus mean He was literally a road? No.
• John 15:5 "I am the vine"—Did Jesus mean He was a literally a vine? No.
• John 8:12 "I am the light"—Did Jesus mean He was literally a light? No.
• John 6:48 "I am the bread of life"—Did Jesus mean He was literally a loaf of bread? No.
• John 6:63 indicates that Jesus was speaking figuratively, spiritually—not literally.
3) The bread and wine did not become Christ's body and blood because God forbids the drinking of blood (Deuteronomy 12:16; Acts 15:20, 29).
4) We take Christ as our Savior once. Passover is to be a recurring memorial and, therefore, has no saving merit of itself. Catholics are commanded to believe in transubstantiation because the teaching was decreed at the Council of Trent (1551) as essential for salvation. The Council pronounced a curse on anyone who would deny it. Paul, on the other hand, pronounced a double curse in Galatians 1:6-9 on anyone who preached a different Gospel—one that denied Christ's death and resurrection as being fully sufficient for salvation.
5) Before Jesus ascended into heaven, He promised to come to us via the Holy Spirit—not through some mysterious "sacrifice of the mass." "[God] shall give you another Comforter, that it may be with you throughout the age: even the Spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive because it perceives it not, nor knows it; but you know it because it dwells with you, and shall be within you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you" (John 14:16-18).

How then do we "eat Christ's flesh and drink Christ's blood"? By taking in the words of God when we call on Christ to save us: "The words that I speak to you, they are spirit and they are life" (John 6:63). Peter got the message: "You have the words of eternal life" (verse 68). The scribes, who heard Jesus' words, understood the Hebraic idea of receiving God's words into one's inner being: "Your words were found, and I ate them" (Jeremiah 15:16); "I will put My law in their inward parts" (Jeremiah 31:34).

If the transubstantiation doctrine was formulated in the 9th century and is necessary for salvation, what happened to all those living before that time, before transubstantiation was thought of? Did they all go to hell?

19. The Mass (Instituted in AD 394)
Definition: "At every mass, Christ is sacrificed again." Catholicism says: "In the mass, no less than on Calvary, Jesus really offers His life to His Father."

But must Jesus be continually sacrificed—or was His one-time death sufficient to pay for sin forever? Christ's one-time sacrifice is sufficient; here's why:
1) Jesus, as He died, said: "It is finished" (John 19:30)—the whole work of salvation, for which He came into the world, was accomplished on the cross. Nothing more can be added to it. The mass insults Christ's death on the cross as being not good enough to pay fully for all of our sins.
2) When Jesus died, the veil in the Jews' Temple as torn from top to bottom (Matthew 27:51), showing that the way into God's presence was open to all believers in Christ's work on the cross. No other sacrifice or priesthood was needed, just Jesus' High Priesthood.
3) The New Covenant states that: "Now where remission of these is, it is no longer necessary to offer sacrifices for sin" (Hebrews 10:18). The Catholic mass contradicts this clear statement.
4) In the book of Hebrews, Christ's sacrifice is said to be accomplished "once" for all—never to be repeated: Hebrews 7:27; Hebrews 9:25, 26, 28; and Hebrews 10: 10, 12, 14, 18. Peter adds that "Christ indeed once suffered for sins" (I Peter 3:18).

20. Penance
Definition: "Penance is performing outward acts, such as repeating prayers like the Hail Mary or Rosary, as a payment for sin, and to satisfy God."

Rome bases its penance teaching on incorrectly translating "repentance" ("to change one's mind," as in Ezekiel 18:30, Luke 13:5, Acts 2:28, etc.) as "penance." Catholicism believes that a priest has the power to forgive or retain sins and to impose penance as a means of testing the genuineness of one's confession—and of "satisfying" God concerning one's sin.

But sinners can only be forgiven, accepted, and justified on the ground of Christ's sacrifice. It is this alone that satisfies the justice and wrath of God against us. "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved" (Acts 16:31). We must confess our sins to God: "If we confess our own sins, He is faithful and righteous, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (I John 1:9).

21. Black Robes Worn by Priests and Nuns
Why would priests and nuns, who are supposed to represent God and cheer people with the joy and certainty of salvation, spend all their lives dressed in long, morbid, black robes? Black is the color of death. Jesus, the apostles, and early Christians never wore long black robes. The practice came from pagan priests wearing black robes before AD 320.

22. Extreme Unction or Last Rites
Catholicism teaches that on one's deathbed sin can be totally undone and one prepared for salvation. This idea is found nowhere in the Bible. Rather, a person's only hope is to receive Christ as Savior, trusting in His sacrifice as full payment for sin. Keeping such sacraments traps Catholics into believing that they will gain salvation by good works. The sacrament system enslaves a person's mind to the Catholic Church from the cradle to the grave.

23. Low Moral Standards
The Protestant moral code comes directly from the Bible. For example: "Don't steal" means don't steal. But the Catholic moral code is based mainly on canon law, and secondarily on the Bible. "Don't steal" to Catholics means, "Stealing is all right provided that the value of the thing stolen is not excessive" (Liguori). What matters to the Catholic is the authority of the Catholic Church, as interpreted by the priest.

Catholicism doesn't seek to stir the conscience to decide between right and wrong, but to allow the priests to decide what is right and wrong. Drinking and gambling, considered vices by Protestants, are not counted as evil in Catholicism, except when indulged to excess. Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits, states: "If anything shall appear white to our eyes, which the church has defined as black, we likewise must declare it to be black." This means, Don't' think for yourselfjust accept whatever Rome tells you. Here's what's going on in Catholicism:
1) Sexual Abuse—Every year we hear of priests being jailed (or simply transferred to another Parrish) for sexually abusing women or children. But if the Catholic Church is the mother of holiness, how can these things be?
2) Alcohol Abuse—Catholic theologian Ligouri states: "It is not a mortal sin to get drunk, unless one loses completely the use of his mental faculties for over one hour."
3) Gambling—Catholic bingo familiarizes young people with gambling, and gives gambling the church's stamp of approval.

24. Catholic Persecution of Protestants
The Catholic Church has a long history of persecution against non-Catholics. When noble people left Catholicism in protest—looking to Jesus alone for salvation, and to the Bible for truth while rejecting the false claims of the popes—Rome called them heretics. They were bitterly opposed, tortured, and killed. Documents reveal that various Catholic leaders murdered around 68 million "protesters" from 1100-1800 AD. The following are a few notable cases:
1) 100,000 Albigenses (Protestants) were massacred in one day in 1211, then burned in heaps.
2) 10,000 Huguenots (French Protestants) were killed in Paris on St. Bartholomew's Day, and 75,000 the week after. The Huguenot Wars killed 200,000 Protestants.
3) The "Thirty Years War" in Germany saw the population drop from 15 million to 5 million due to Catholic invading armies killing 900,000 Protestants.
4) The Spanish Armada was sent to conquer Protestant England by the Catholic King Philip of Spain. Fortunately, bad weather destroyed the fleet offthe coast of England.

Truly, the Roman Catholic Church is "drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" (Revelation 17:6).

25. The Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Revelation 17
Who or what is the whore/woman of Revelation 17? Here are 13 points indicating that the "whore" is the Roman Catholic Church.
1) "And the woman whom you saw is the great city that has royal power over the kings of the earth" (Revelation 17:18). What city reigned over the kings of the earth in the first century? Rome. Roman emperors (and popes) were called "Pontifix Maximus."
2) She is called the "great whore" in Revelation 17:1. A whore is unfaithful to her husband by having relationships with many suitors. So is the Catholic Church—unfaithful to God's Word, as seen by her adopting numerous unbiblical doctrines—and by seeking political alliances with dictators and governments of the world.
3) "[With] whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication" (17:2). The Roman Church has always sought to further her purposes by controlling politicians, kings, and governments. She is the "state church" in many countries—Spain, Portugal, Italy, Poland, Ireland, and throughout South America. She seeks to control the government in every country. In Revelation 17:3, she is sitting on a beast, as a rider sits on a horse, controlling it. The early church remained separate from the State, because its task was to win people to Christ, baptize, and teach God's Word. This close association of the Catholic Church with world governments is forbidden by God. Hence, God calls the relationship "fornication" with the kings of the earth.
4) She "sits upon many waters" (17:1). Verse 15 tells us that the waters are "peoples and multitudes and nations and languages." The Roman Catholic Church has considerable influence in many nations in the world—particularly those of Europe.
5) She is "full of names of blasphemy" (17:3). Rome claims titles and attributes which belong only to God or Christ—such as Holy Father, Father, Monsignor (lord), Pontifix Maximus, Reverend, His Holiness, Fili Vicarii Dei (in the place of the Son of God).
6) The whore sits on seven mountains (17:9). It is well known that Rome is built on seven hills.
7) She is arrayed in purple and scarlet (17:4). Popes, cardinals, and priests dress in scarlet on numerous festival occasions.
8) She is "adorned with gold and pearls and precious stones" (17:4). The Catholic Church has great wealth.
9) She is full of abominations and filthiness (17:4). Sexual immorality is rampant among the leadership and priests—such as fornication, homosexuality, child molestation, etc.
10) "Mystery" is a prominent feature of Catholicism (17:5). Much mystery exists in her services. For example, services are conducted in Latin; the claim to convert bread into the actual flesh of Christ; the deceased's unknown time spent in purgatory; etc.
11) She is called "Babylon the Great" (17:5). Roman Catholic "mother and child worship" was adopted from similar aspects of the ancient mystery religion of Babylon. There is abundant proof that Catholicism's practices and beliefs came from pagan Babylon, not from the Bible.
12) She is the "mother of harlots" (17:5). Rome has given rise to many daughter religions with practices similar to her own—including Protestantism itself.
13) She is "drunk" with the blood of saints and martyrs (17:6). The Roman Catholic Church has endlessly persecuted, tortured, and killed those who disagree with papal control—such as John Huss, Savonarolla, Tyndale, Wycliffe, Latimer, etc.

26. Catholicism Turns People Away From Christ
The Roman Catholic Church counterfeits almost every work Christ does for Christians—thus turning people's attention from Jesus to something or someone else.
1) They point people to church sacraments, turning them away from trusting in Christ alone.
2) They emphasize church tradition as the guide to life, turning them away from the Bible.
3) They direct people to the priest as mediator, thus turning them away from Christ as mediator.
4) They teach people to pray to saints, thus turning them away from praying to God.
5) They urge people to pray to Mary, as merciful, thus turning them away from praying to God, claiming Him to be harsh, unwelcoming, and unapproachable.
6) They point to Peter as the Rock on which the church is based, thus turning them away from Christ as the true Rock.
7) They direct people to popes as Pontiffs (bridge builders), thus turning people away from Christ as the only hope of salvation.
8) They teach people to do works of penance to gain God's favor, instead of accepting Christ's promises of forgiveness.
9) They require people to believe in Catholic doctrine and papal infallibility as their authority, thus rejecting the voice of God speaking to their conscience.

27. Catholicism Teaches Salvation by Sacraments and Good Works
The Catholic Church promotes a false Gospel of "good works for salvation," denying the sufficiency of Christ's work on the cross. Catholics are taught that to have salvation they must keep the sacraments, the mass, and do good works. This is different from the Bible's definition of the Gospel: "Now I am declaring to you, brethren, the same gospel that I proclaimed to you … that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures; and that He was buried; and that He was raised the third day, according to the Scriptures" (I Corinthians 15:1-4).

We are saved by faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. There are numerous biblical passages teaching that our works will do not save us. For example: "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this especially is not of your own selves; it is the gift of God, not of works, so that no one may boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Where, then, do "good works" come in? Good works come after conversion—because we are learning to love and give to others as we develop Christ's mind. "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto the good works that God ordained beforehand in order that we might walk in them" (Ephesians 2:10).
 
I care what "Church history" says so much as what Scripture says. When Church history is contrary to Scripture, I ignore Church history in favor of Scriptural truth.

I am not a "reformer". I am a Scriptural Christ follower.
But I disagree with the catholic's stance on Mary because she is not God, nor is she the Son of God, nor did she die for my sins, nor was she sinless, nor did she remain a virgin after Jesus was born, nor does she intercede for me with God. She is nothing to me in terms of Salvation, Redemption, Righteousness, or doctrinal authority.

I disregard a self-proclaimed "priesthood" that positions itself between me and God. I am a priest of the Most High. I do not need anyone who demands that I call him "father" to be a priest between me and God, because my High Priest sits at the right hand of God, and He who was tempted just as I am but without sin is the one who intercedes for me with the Father.

I have Scripture. You have "church history". Which one was the Church at Berea praised for searching?

Where does He say that He is angry for me saying what I have said about her? Show me the Scripture, please.

Now, let me give you some Scripture showing the false doctrines that the catholic cult's priesthood promotes.
1. Priests Want to be Called "Father"
Jesus warns us: "Also, do not call anyone on the earth your Father; for one is your Father, Who is in heaven" (Matthew 23:9).

2. Prayers to Mary
For example: "Hail Mary, full of grace." But Jesus commands us "to pray after this manner: 'Our Father Who is in heaven' " (Matthew 6:9). Rome presents Christ as harsh and Mary as merciful, but here is the reality:
• Jesus invites us: "Come to Me, all you who labor and are overly burdened, and I will give you rest" (Matthew 11:28).
• Jesus assures us of His welcome acceptance: "The one who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out" (John 6:37).
• Jesus is our "merciful and faithful High Priest" and is "able to help those who are being tempted" (Hebrews 2:17, 18).

3. Priests and Nuns are Forbidden to Marry
• Paul insists that"the overseer [bishop] be blameless, the husband of one wife" (I Timothy 3:2).
• Peter was married, because Jesus healed his mother-in-law (Matthew 8:14; Luke 4:38).
• "Do we not have a right to take with us a sister, a wife, as also the other apostles?" (I Corinthians 9:5). God says, "It is not good that the man should be alone" (Genesis 2:18).
• "To avoid sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband" (I Corinthians 7:2).
• "Now the Spirit tells us explicitly that in the latter times some shall apostatize from the faith … peaking lies in hypocrisy … forbidding to marry…" (I Timothy 4:1-3). This is God's description of Catholic celibacy. Celibacy is permissible if one so chooses; but it must not be commanded.

4. Never Sure of Going to Heaven
Catholics, since childhood, have been taught that, to get into heaven, one must keep the sacraments and the mass and do good works. Yet even then, they can never know for sure that they will go to heaven. What a worry! Death, to the Catholic, is fear of entering the fires of purgatory with no certainty of ever seeing their loved ones again. The priests tell them that no one can ever be sure of going to heaven. For the people who trust their good works or religion to save them, this is true, because they never know if they have done enough good works to get into heaven. Not even the Pope knows for sure, so how can he help Catholics to be sure?

God's way to salvation is the opposite of Rome's way of good works. God says not to trust in your good works, but to trust in Jesus Christ's death on the cross as the full payment for your sins. We can be 100% sure of salvation because God says: "The one who has the Son has eternal life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have eternal life" (I John 5:12). "And this is the promise that He has promised us: eternal life" (1 John 2:25). "For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Romans 10:13).

Question: Will you call on Jesus to save you from your sins, or will you try to work out your salvation through Catholic sacraments?

5. Peter as the Rock
"Then Simon Peter answered and said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' And Jesus answered and said to him, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, for flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father, Who is in heaven. And I say also to you, that you are Peter [petros, a pebble or small stone]; but upon this Rock [petra, a boulder or large rock—Christ] I will build My church, and the gates of the grave shall not prevail against it. And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you may bind on the earth will have already been bound in heaven; and whatever you may loose on the earth will have already been loosed in heaven' " (Matthew 16:16-19).

From the above passage we may conclude:
1) Jesus was referring to Himself (this Rock, Christ) upon which He would build His church, not on Peter. The disciples, familiar with the Old Testament, knew Rock to be a name of God.
a) "The LORD is my Rock, and my fortress" (Psalms 18:2). "He is the Rock" (Deuteronomy 32:4). "Who is a Rock except our God?" (Psalms 18:31). We see here that there is no other rock but God—not even Peter.
b) Christ is the foundation Rock on which the church is built, not Peter. Jesus referred to Himself when He said: "The Stone that the builders rejected, this has become the head of the corner" (Matthew 21:42). Paul wrote of "the spiritual Rock that followed them"—saying that "that Rock was Christ" (I Corinthians 10:4). Peter referred to Jesus as a "living Stone," "the Cornerstone," a "Stone of stumbling," and a "Rock of offence" (I Peter 2:4-8).
c) When Peter tried to stop Jesus from going to the cross, Jesus rebuked him, saying: "Get behind Me, Satan!" (Matthew 16:23). Jesus wouldn't build His church on Satan.
d) In Mark 9:33-35, the disciples argued about who was the greatest among them. If Jesus had given Peter the rank of Pope, then He would have referred to Peter as the greatest, but He didn't. Thus, Jesus gave no special papal leadership to Peter. Nor should we.
2) Peter was given the keys of the kingdom, but only in the sense that it was Peter who opened the door to preaching the Gospel to Israel on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:38-42) and to the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius (Acts 10:34-46). Still, everyone enters the kingdom through Christ, not Peter.
3) Priests do not have the power to bind, loose, forgive, or not forgive sins—because only God has this power.

6. Was Peter the First Pope? No, because:
1) Peter was married (Matthew 8:14, 15; I Corinthians 9:5). Popes cannot be married.
2) Peter wore no crown, as the pope does.
3) Peter had no wealth (Acts 3:6), as the pope has.
4) Peter rejected the "traditions" of the fathers (I Peter 1:18), yet Catholic teachings are based on human traditions.
5) Peter would not allow men to bow down to him (Acts 10:25-26), as the pope does.
6) Peter never took the title "PONTIFIX MASIMUS" or "PONTIFF," as all popes do. This was the title of pagan Roman emperors, meaning "chief bridge-builder between earth and heaven." Only Jesus can claim this title (John 1:51). For a pope to take this title is blasphemy against Christ. Peter never spoke like a pope, never acted like a pope, never dressed like a pope, and people never approached him as a pope.

7. Papal Infallibility (Declared in 1870)
When a pope is speaking in his official position on any issue of faith or morals, he is speaking infallibly, without error. But the apostles never regarded any man (except Jesus) to be infallible. Only the Word of God is without error. Paul rebuked Peter for being deceived by Judaizers (Galatians 2:11-14). Papal infallibility is seen to be false, as these events reveal:
1) Five popes—Innocent III, Gregory XI, Clement IV, Hadrian VI, and Paul IV—all disagreed with papal infallibility.
2) Pope Eugene IV (1431) had Joan of Arc burned alive as a witch, but later Pope Benedict (1919) declared her to be a saint.
3) Pope Stephen VI (896) had the dead Pope Formosus (891-896) dug up, tried, questioned, fingers hacked off, dragged through the streets of Rome, and thrown into the Tiber River.
4) Pope Hadrian II (867) declared civil marriage to be valid, but Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) declared it to be invalid.
5) The pope and the Vatican advised the German Catholic Party to vote for Nazi candidates. In 1933, the Vatican and Hitler signed a Concordat where the Catholic Church swore allegiance to the Nazi government. Later on, when Hitler was losing World War II, Pope Pius XI condemned him. Surely, these errors of judgment and contradictions between popes disproves papal infallibility to any honest, open-minded person.

8. Confessing Sins to a Priest—to obtain absolution of sins.
Catholic Canon Law (870-888) states that a priest has the power to forgive sins, and that confession to a priest at least once a year is necessary for salvation. The Bible gives these examples of confessing sins to God only:
1) When Simon of Samaria sinned after being baptized, Peter told him to pray to God for forgiveness (Acts 8:22). Peter did not hear his confession.
2) The apostles never heard confessions. Peter, speaking about Jesus, said: "Everyone who believes in Him receives remission of sins through His name" (Acts 10:43). Peter did not forgive the sins of Cornelius, or anybody else.
3) Paul did not forgive the sins of the Philippian jailer (Acts 16:30-34).
4) Only God and Jesus can forgive sins (Mark 2:5-11).
5) When Peter denied Christ, he confessed it to God and was forgiven. But when Judas betrayed Jesus, he confessed it to the priests and then committed suicide (Matthew 27:3-5).

Catholics' auricular confession to a priest is evil because:
1) It gives power to the priesthood—to suppose they can absolve sins.
2) It pollutes the mind by holding impure thoughts in the mind long enough to make confession.
3) It gives a priest power over a female by claiming that God requires all sins crossing her mind to be disclosed to him. The very things a would-be seducer would like to know are the thoughts of his intended victim. Virtue would be safe nowhere.
4) It requires the priest to make improper and disgusting suggestions to elicit possible sins not yet confessed.

This practice of confession has greatly corrupted community morals, as seen by many Catholic priests being sued for sexual abuse of women and children. God says: "For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and menthe man Christ Jesus" (I Timothy 2:5). Hence, priests, Mary, and saints are not mediators between God and man. Only Jesus is. By pointing people to priests, to Mary, and to saints, Rome is turning people away from Christ.

9. Priests as Mediators Between God and Men
All believers are "priests" with direct access to God through Christ. "But you are a chosen stock, a royal priesthood" (I Peter 2:9). Priests as mediators increase the priests' control over people. This turns people away from Christ. "For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and menthe man Christ Jesus" (I Timothy 2:5).

10. Purgatory
Purgatory is an imaginary half-way place between heaven and hell, where un-forgiven sins are allegedly purged away. But God says believers go to the grave at death, where they "sleep" until the resurrection (I Corinthians 15). The following verses show purgatory to be false: Christ purged all of our sins (Hebrews 1:3); and, there is now no condemnation to those in Christ (Romans 8:1). The purgatory teaching is a great evil, because it is:
1) A terrifying prospect of entering a place of unspeakable torture, with no way to avoid it. Catholics live in fear of spending an unknown number of years in purgatory, never knowing when they'll get out.
2) A great money raiser. Suffering in purgatory, Catholics say, may be shorten by gifts of money, masses, and prayers by the priest. So it is a fraud and a colossal racket, because it deprives the poor of their last pennies and exhorts large funds from the rich in exchange for nothing! If the pope or priest really has the power to shorten or stop the suffering of souls in purgatory, why does he not, if he is a good man, render that service freely and willingly?
3) Represents God as a "respecter of persons." A rich man passes more speedily through purgatory and into heaven than the poor man. But the Bible teaches that eternal life is a free gift (Romans 6:23), equally available to everyone.

11. Idols and Images for Worship
The Catholic Council of Trent states: "It is lawful to have images in the church and to give honor and worship to them…. Images are put in churches that they may be worshipped." But what does God say about images?
1) "You shall not make for yourselves any graven image…. You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them" (Exodus 20:4-5; also Leviticus 26:1; Deuteronomy 16:22).
2) "Lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a graven image, the likeness of any figure, the likeness of male or female" (Deuteronomy 4:16). This forbids statues of Mary, Jesus, etc.
3) "Cursed is the man that makes any graven or molten image, an abomination to the LORD" (Deuteronomy 27:15).
4) The early Christians "turned from idols to God" (I Thessalonians 1:9).

12. Church Tradition
Catholics prefer tradition over the Bible and use tradition as their authority for doctrine.
1) Peter rebukes those holding to human tradition in I Peter 1:18—"Your futile way of living, inherited by tradition from your forefathers."
2) Jesus rebukes human tradition: "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?... [You] have made void the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition…. 'For they worship Me in vain, teaching for doctrine the commandments of men' " (Matthew 15:3, 6, 9).

We should reject every human religious tradition not found in the Bible. We must obey God rather than men (Acts 5:29).

13. Infant "Baptism" (Instituted in AD 370.)
Catholic infant "baptism" is not Bible baptism, because:
1) No baby was ever sprinkled with water in the Bible. Check it for yourself.
2) A condition for baptism is to believe that Jesus is the Son of God (Acts 8:36, 37), yet no baby can satisfy this condition.
3) Baptism in New Testament Greek means to immerse, but "sprinkle" is a different Greek word altogether (rantizo).
4) Seeking baptism should be a well-thought-out personal decision. When you are sprinkled as an infant, that was your parents' decision. Being baptized as an adult is your decision.

14. Confirmation
Catholic confirmation is supposed to confer the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands. But like baptism, the laying on of hands is not for children, but for adults. Nowhere in the Bible is a child given the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands.

15. Mary Veneration
Mother and child worship began at the Tower of Babel in 2000 BC, when Queen Semiramis commanded her people to worship herself and Tammuz, her son. She claimed he fulfilled the prophecy of Genesis 3:15, allegedly being the virgin-born savior promised to Adam and Eve after the Fall. Later, when people scattered all over the world, they took this "Mother and Child" worship with them:
• In Canaan, it became known as Ashtoreth and Baal worship
• Ancient Egypt worshipped Isis and Horus
• Ancient India worshipped Devaki and Krishna
• Ancient Rome worshipped Venus and Jupiter

When Constantine in AD 320 commanded pagans to become Christians, the pagans just changed the name of "mother and child worship" from Venus and Jupiter to Mary and Jesus. This tradition has continued in the Catholic Church to today, even though the Bible never mentions Mary veneration. And the wise men brought their gifts to Jesus, not to Mary.

Other aspects of Mary veneration include:
1) Perpetual Virginity: The claim is that Mary remained a virgin all her life, having no other children.' The following verses disprove this error: Matthew 13:55-56; John 7:5.
2) Immaculate Conception of Mary: The claim is that Mary was born sinless and led a sinless life. Pope Pius IX made this assertion in 1854 and declared Mary to be infallible. Furthermore, he said: "There is no salvation to those who do not believe this dogma." The Bible, however, denies this: All have sinned (Romans 3:23), and no one is truly righteous (Romans 3:10).
3) Assumption of Mary: The idea is that Mary ascended into heaven in bodily form. This was made official and infallible by Pope Pius XII in 1951. However, the Bible plainly says that no man has ascended up to heaven (John 3:13).
4) Prayers to Mary: We pray to God, not Mary, as per Jesus' instructions in Luke 11:2, etc.

16. Anti-Bible Attitude
1) From 1382 to 1500 AD, many Christian martyrs were burned to death with Wycliffe's Bible tied around their necks. Tyndale published thousands of New Testaments in English, and smuggled them into England where they were rapidly distributed. The Catholic Church seized and burned many copies of Tyndale's New Testament as well as burning Tyndale himself at the stake in 1536.
2) Catholicism today permits Catholics to read the Bible, but teaches that it is sinful to put any interpretation on the Bible that is contrary to Catholic beliefs.
3) Anti-Roman Catholic verses are ignored, saying: "That's just your interpretation." This transfers authority away from the Bible to Rome.
Spare me your cutand paste Ill informed rant.

Answer why none of your reformationist cults even agree with the reformers who started them, none of them agreed with each other and why they fracture into 10000 bits all of which disagree with each other. ? Because NONE of you know the meaning of scripture- if you did you would all agree.

ANSWER THAT,

When you answer that you will know why your opinion means nothing.
answer is Sola scriptura IS the medieval false man made tradition,

And worse, your remarks on Mary are offensive nonsense which demeans the power of Gods grace.

Meanwhile Jesus sent a succession to preach the true faith, gave them the power to bind and loose meaning , which is why the church is stated as the “pillar of truth“ The new testament is a product of the true church made the custodian of faith.
 
Spare me your cutand paste Ill informed rant.
what is yours ? once again you deny but give no defense only insults . it kills you when your shot down . lets see some more insults .he posted the truth .. who is our Holy Father? it sure aint the poope
 
what is yours ? once again you deny but give no defense only insults . it kills you when your shot down . lets see some more insults .he posted the truth .. who is our Holy Father? it sure aint the poope
You have yet to challengea single argument I made successfully.

Start with the basics. None of you know what scripture means because you all disagree . The reformers disagree with each other, their own cults now disagree with them , and they fracture into bits because every single one of you is arrogant enough to believe only you know what scripture means , and you are arrogant enough to believe that even all other reformers are wtong!
lutherans disagree with calvinists who disagree with adminIan’s who disagree with baptists who dusagree with episcopals . Presbyterians, Methodists and Pentecostals cannot even agree with themselves! How dare any of them pretend to have truth? They can’t read scripture and can’t agree the truth!!


So ANSWER that.
Your problem.
Why should I listen to any of you? and if so which one
? None of you have the truth, since you all disagree on it!

I will not respond again to any of you until you admit sola scriptura is a fail.
And with that all your other arguments fail.

I will simply copy this post till one of you admits your central doctrine failed!


Meanwhile the cathokics listen to those Jesus told us to.
Those sent to preach. With the power to bind to loose.
in which the mass, succession, baptism etc havent changed in 2000 years because the truth does not change.

Only reformer doctrine changes because it is not truth and based on a lie. Sola. Scriptura. Which means you let your OPINIOn of scripture trump what those appointed to tell you what it means.
 
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You have yet to challengea single argument I made successfully.
🤣😂🤣🥲😜 your a hoot i gave you scriptures i gave you facts ..your reply denial and insults

I will not respond again to any of you until you admit sola scriptura is a fail.
And with that all your other arguments fail.


the only thing solo scriptures means is only scripture the word solo means only . how many times do i have to explain in the meanwhile get in touch with your idols. maybe mary will tell you something.

None of you know what scripture means because you all disagree .


have you seen anyone disagreeing with each other than you? you mean we dont know what scripture means according TO YOUR FALLEN IDIOL DOCTRINE 👌👍😮‍💨
 

You can’t answer. Why solo scriptura is a fail.

None of you agree with each other, let alone Catholics on scripture meaning. There is no “ we”.
There are tens of thousands of disagreeing fracturing denominations and one man denominations called non denoms.

So your personal interpretation of scripture is irrelevant.

You worship your miserable,intellect, not Jesus,
and your faith has nothing to do with early church Christianity
You ignore the sources of truth Jesus gave.

Billions agree with me,including all the best theologians in history,
all the ministers and who returned to catholicism because of history
They cannot be bothered withillinformed reformation cults who seem to worship calvin more than God.

If you ever decide to practice christianity instead , start with those the apostles taught.
See what they said about the succession and Eucharist. Listen to those sent to preach.

I will now let you dead bury your dead
I will leave you to worship Ezraniem - blasphemy is not a “ hoot”
STOP INSULTING Gods most perfect creation in MAry.
 
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Spare me your cutand paste Ill informed rant.

Answer why none of your reformationist cults even agree with the reformers who started them, none of them agreed with each other and why they fracture into 10000 bits all of which disagree with each other. ?

ANSWER THAT,
There are many who are trying to abide by Scripture, who disagree on what different passages mean. But they can give a good account for why they believe what they believe according to Scripture. There are so many things that catholics believe that are expressly forbidden by Scripture, that they cannot honestly say that they are trying to abide by Scripture. No, they are abiding by, as you put it, "church history" and tradition. But we will not be judged by God on how we kept church history or church tradition. We will be judged instead on how we lived by the Word of God.
When you answer that you will know why your opinion means nothing.

And worse, your remarks on Mary are offensive nonsense which demeans the power of Gods grace.
God's grace is amazing, but it does not make a human girl greater than the Son of God. It does not make a sinful girl our savior. It does not make a dead human girl the intercessor between us and God in place of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Meanwhile Jesus sent a succession to preach the true faith, gave them the power to bind and loose meaning , which is why the church is stated as the “pillar of truth“ The new testament is a product of the true church made the custodian of faith.
Ahh, so only catholics have the ability to determine truth, determine what is Scripture is, and teach others what God commands??? ROTFL
No, Peter was not the first pope (Peter was a shifting, rolling, or insecure stone (petros), but the confession that Jesus is the Christ is the solid, immovable rock (petra) upon which the Church would be built).
 
You can’t answer. Why solo scriptura is a fail.
pssst you can never go WRONG with solo which means ONLY scripture . if your blind to the fact and you are and your rejecting only scripture your hopelessly LOST look what paul wrote all scripture

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

so with what your rejecting solo scripture it mean none of our beliefs only what the scriptures has to say.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God ( solo scripture aka scripture only } is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

so by all means keep rejecting the word maybe mary will show you the way. and the catholic church will make you a saint after you die

 
pssst you can never go WRONG with solo which means ONLY scripture . if your blind to the fact and you are and your rejecting only scripture your hopelessly LOST look what paul wrote all scripture

2 Timothy 3:16-17​

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

so with what your rejecting solo scripture it mean none of our beliefs only what the scriptures has to say.​

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God ( solo scripture aka scripture only } is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

so by all means keep rejecting the word maybe mary will show you the way. and the catholic church will make you a saint after you die

 
pssst you can never go WRONG with solo which means ONLY scripture . if your blind to the fact and you are and your rejecting only scripture your hopelessly LOST look what paul wrote all scripture

2 Timothy 3:16-17​

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

so with what your rejecting solo scripture it mean none of our beliefs only what the scriptures has to say.​

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God ( solo scripture aka scripture only } is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

so by all means keep rejecting the word maybe mary will show you the way. and the catholic church will make you a saint after you die

In one post of SHOUTING - Ezra proves how pointless it is discussing the true Christian faith with anti catholics.

They produce the same stream of falsehoods disproven an infinite number of times.

The only thing he says which is true : Solo means "only" , yet nowhere in scripture does it say "only" scripture.
It is certainly NOT in his SHOUTING quotes above.


Yet ezra claims it supports solo or sola scriptura when it is nowhere said! (he clearly does not understand the difference)

Meanwhile scripture points at truth outside itself...so it actively REJECTS sola scriptura.
Sola scriptura is neither historical, logical or scriptural.
In early church The faith was actual passed by tradition ( handed down, paradosis) by those sent to preach. The new testament was a much later product of the church you all disdain, and that is an historic fact! Both what is in it and what was rejected was a decision of the church! Till Luther messed even with that!

So ezra rejects the word of God in favour of his own understanding.
And when the same false arguments fail, he JUST SHOUTS THE SAME FALSEHOODS LOUDER

Anti catholics like ezra have no idea even what scripture says, let alone what it means, or he would notice his quotes do not say "only
I suppose he could do a "luther" and change scritpure because it does not support exra or reformationists.
Luther tried adding the word "only" to make scripture say what he wanted it to, and Luther did get rid of scripture he didnt like.

It is Pointless wasting time talking to ezras..
One they might try a new argument, instead of all the old fallacies.
Maybe they might even study cathollicism instead of what the enemies of catholicism say.

The bible does say Division is the fruit of the devil.
A house divided cannot stand.
The fruit of sola scriptura is endless division.

The reformers could not even agree with each other! On the big issues not just the detail. - their eponymous denominations did not agree with them, and whenever the latest know it all, comes along saying "only I am right" the denomination fractures yet again with monotonus regularity, now in tens of thousands of bits.

As an ex protestant who has much respect for many of the people I met, I am really saddened by how the leaders break it to pieces but i could not stand by and watch the disaster unfold.

And it is all the most important issues they disagree on.
From baptism, eucharist, priesthood, soteriology, end times, predestination, even the nature of God, protestants all disagree on the lot!
My own part of protestantism had two views of the eucharist even under the same roof! As though the truth can be what they want it to be!
Protestantism became a religion built in the image of the leaders truth, not Gods!

Because like ezra - they put their own understanding Proverbs 3 over the faith handed down by those SENT to preach Romans 10.
It is pointless discussing the true faith with such peopleas I stated in a personal post,
I am off to the true eucharist performed in the true church, under the authority of a bishop in succession, as Johns disciples were taught.

One day, just one of you might study catholicism (instead of anti catholic books) and ask a searching and relevant question.
There are some. But not in the standard book of anti catholic fables from which you all quote!!!

So when one of you mounts an ACTUAL BIBLICAL DEFENCE of SOLA SCRIPTURA then I might respond again.
Look at the beam in your own eye, before the specs in catholicism.
The foundation of protestantism is false and anti biblical!
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One of my favorite typos is flase, then I can say people have been using some dental flase.

But the word was correctly spelt this time, no dice.
 
It is Pointless wasting time talking to ezras..
your right especially when YOU post with vain words from itchy ears you cant even post true scripture .. so your like water running off a ducks back. falls off only to to you deaf ears . you have been shot down by so many yet you cling to false hoods . i will issue you a challenge you post scriptures to back you up. and i in return will post nothing but scriptures to prove my point ... its what they call solo scripture .. do you know why the phrase solo scripture is offense to you? its be cause the 2 edged sword cuts you:D(y):whistle:
 
No explanations required for nonsensical Papal speeches. Foolishness is nothing but foolishness.
i agree but see he keeps crying how unfair i am to him . how i insult the catholic Church. i only call out the catholic church teaching. he cant stand the phrase solo scripture. which means only scripture. far as i am concerned that is the only way to measure doctrine . the Bible says

2 Timothy 3:16​


“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
so we use scripture to find error .. if by chance MIKE cant go by them rules set out in scripture. then possibly 2. things 1. there is no Light in him...

Isaiah 8:20​


“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

2 he is chaff .

Matthew 3:12​


“Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” the wheat is the real thing the chaff is fake those who think they are saved.

i am not the judge i can only give what scripture has to say==== solo scripture ,


if he comes back with insults and vain words then the truth will be known
 
i agree but see he keeps crying how unfair i am to him . how i insult the catholic Church. i only call out the catholic church teaching. he cant stand the phrase solo scripture. which means only scripture. far as i am concerned that is the only way to measure doctrine . the Bible says

2 Timothy 3:16​


“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
so we use scripture to find error .. if by chance MIKE cant go by them rules set out in scripture. then possibly 2. things 1. there is no Light in him...

Isaiah 8:20​


“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

2 he is chaff .

Matthew 3:12​


“Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” the wheat is the real thing the chaff is fake those who think they are saved.

i am not the judge i can only give what scripture has to say==== solo scripture ,


if he comes back with insults and vain words then the truth will be known

On the contrary.
I am only too happy if you insult me .
Matthew 5:11 - you see Catholics not only know scripture we also know what it MEANS.

What I cannot abide is how you insult our Lord and Gods most perfect creation in Mary!
And God is angry at you too. He said so.


Yes you insult our Lord too, by believing he has too little power to keep his church on the rails, so he needs such as you to bring it back? Hah!
He promised “the gospel would be preached to the end of time” . Not with a gap till someone called Ezra found it!

You have no idea what scripture means which is why you all disagree.

Like all Protestants you ABUSE scripture with your inadequate intellect, ignoring what tradition - the faith handed down by the apostles by those “ sent to preach” and the authority appointed by Jesus - says it actually means . And because you use your imperfect intellect doing what scriptire tells you not to , “ lean on your own understanding “
you ALL disagree what it means. So you have no idea what it means

In fact the only thing seemingly you apostates can agree on is Catholics are wrong. You agree on nothing else.

Go and start a thread on “ Ezra nism” whatever it is you believe. It certainly isn’t what scripture means.
You abuse it like the Pharisees did in Jesus time.
Stop posting on something you know NOTHING about - the true faith - catholicism.
For sure , sone people stray once in a while but Jesus gave the power to bring it back in council.

The ONLY contradiction between scripture and tradition is YOUR failure to understand scripture!
 
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you see Catholics not only know scripture we also know what it MEANS.

What I cannot abide is how you insult our Lord and Gods most perfect creation in Mary!
And God is angry at you too. He said so.
by all means if know all this please elaborate with Mary because to be honest with you your claim aint there :unsure: . i realize your tradition let me share scripture traditions of men.

Mark 7:7-13

King James Version

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.


Like all Protestants you ABUSE scripture with your inadequate intellect, ignoring what tradition - the faith handed down by the apostles by those “ sent to preach” and the authority appointed by Jesus - says it actually means . And because you use your imperfect intellect doing what scriptire tells you not to , “ lean on your own understanding “


please using scripture show us our error using Scripture this is the only way remember ALL scripture is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” so here is your chance the floor is yours BTW if you come back with another speech and no scripture i will point out YOUR error with Scripture .. you know the phrase that turns your world upside down solo scripture

Go and start a thread on “ Ezra nism” whatever it is you believe. It certainly isn’t what scripture means.
You abuse it like the Pharisees did in Jesus time.
Stop posting on something you know NOTHING about - the true faith - catholicism.
For sure , sone people stray once in a while but Jesus gave the power to bring it back in council.

The ONLY contradiction between scripture and tradition is YOUR failure to understand scripture!


sigh once again you have accused me with out evidence so far your theology with Mary is vain traditions Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. hmm everything i posted is truth


once agin show us /me my error show ,me where Gods most perfect creation in Mary!

God perfect creation is in Christ Jesus way truth life here is the question are you up for the challenge you claim Catholics know and understand .. show us by using scripture especially your mary claim btw i have not insulted her.. only rebuked your claim .

i look forward to reading your reply with SCRIPTURE .. no scripture means you dont know
 
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