Trump ?

At least you got the "one gospel" part right. Now we just need to work on the end times part.

So do you also disagree with dispy's on whether the gospels are part of the Old Covenant? They say yes, I say no, the gospels are part of the New Covenant, which is why they are placed in the New Testament. Duh.
the gospel is N.T. the O.T. pointed to the future time when Messiah would come and make atonement for sin. The O.T. is shadows and types that point to Christ. Until Jesus died and rose there was no gospel. Now Jesus did preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God. There are different types of "good news " mentioned but only one that is salvific. :)
 
As to Trump being born again.

It was his first election when all the evangelicals were grooming him, so to speak and it came from someone that Trump got born again at that time.
You can see that even your own statement is quite vague. Who is "someone"? Those evangelicals must have been speaking "evangelistically" - in other words, lying - given the propensity that preachers have for exaggerating.
No, seriously, a born again person doesn't practice using the language that comes out of his mouth. Nor does a born again man say that he doesn't need to ask God for His forgiveness.
What is sad is that I didn't hear that language come out of this mouth during his first term.
 
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the gospel is N.T. the O.T. pointed to the future time when Messiah would come and make atonement for sin. The O.T. is shadows and types that point to Christ. Until Jesus died and rose there was no gospel. Now Jesus did preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God. There are different types of "good news " mentioned but only one that is salvific. :)
I think there's hope for you yet. However Mark 1:1 says, "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God." The gospel was being proclaimed at least 3 1/2 years before Jesus was killed and rose. Yes, His death and resurrection certified or finalized His purchase of the New Covenant, but the proclamation of the gospel didn't wait for that. Jesus Himself preached it before that, predicting His own death and resurrection long before they happened. If the gospel didn't exist before that, then the four gospel books would be pretty much blank.
But, more broadly, the gospel is the story of the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
What are the different types of good news mentioned in the Bible?
 
You can see that even your own statement is quite vague. Who is "someone"? Those evangelicals must have been speaking "evangelistically" - in other words, lying - given the propensity that preachers have for exaggerating.
No, seriously, a born again person doesn't practice using the language that comes out of his mouth. Nor does a born again man say that he doesn't need to ask God for His forgiveness.
What is sad is that I didn't hear that language come out of this mouth during his first term.
I do not have a list nor did I ever of the "evangelicals" that were meeting with him.

Home work.... again.....

I just did a mini search and have found these... and a few more links with more names that seemingly are on going today..... and many other links that I have not posted..... No wonder he talks and thinks as he is.....

... including Franklin Graham, Robert Jeffress, and Paula White. These meetings helped solidify his support among evangelical voters, who played a significant role in his electoral success

then this list


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Yes, during his first election run, Donald Trump met with several prominent evangelical leaders, including Franklin Graham, Robert Jeffress, and Paula White. These meetings helped solidify his support among evangelical voters, who played a significant role in his electoral success.
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Key Evangelical Leaders Who Met with Trump​

During Donald Trump's first presidential campaign in 2016, several prominent evangelical leaders met with him to discuss support and strategy. Here are some of the key figures:

Prominent Evangelical Leaders​

Franklin GrahamPresident of the Billy Graham Evangelistic AssociationVocal supporter, emphasized Trump's divine selection.
Robert JeffressPastor of First Baptist Church, DallasStrong advocate for Trump, focused on faith issues.
Paula WhiteTelevangelist and spiritual advisorProvided personal counsel and led prayers.
Jerry Falwell Jr.President of Liberty UniversityPublicly endorsed Trump, mobilized student support.
James DobsonFounder of Focus on the FamilyInfluential in rallying evangelical voters.
Ralph ReedFounder of the Faith and Freedom CoalitionWorked to connect Trump with evangelical voters.
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These are the ones I find for the 2016 time period.

But I did not know this following.... I only know that Paula White told Trump God approves
of what he is doing.....

Now look at this...... And I am a supporter 3 times.... then scroll down to another 2017 list...

this one is written in Aug 2024.........

Meet the powerful evangelicals who believe Trump is an apostle who will reclaim America for Christ

In his interview with Elon Musk, Donald Trump spoke about becoming more religious after the assasination attempt in Pennsylvania in July and as the former president tries to get back to the White House, scores of religious figures are determined to see him get there. Alex Hannaford explores the troubling movement trying to infiltrate US politics


t’s October 2019, and in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, then president Donald Trump stands at his desk in a blue suit, his eyes closed. Around him are 25 people, also smartly dressed, and with their eyes shut too. With a few exceptions, they’re mostly middle-aged white men, and those of them nearest to Trump lay their hands on him while the room falls silent in prayer.

Among the usual suspects – right-wing evangelicals like American Values president Gary Bauer, First Baptist Dallas senior pastor Robert Jeffress, and Family Research Council president Tony Perkins – are a female televangelist named Paula White-Cain, and the president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, Samuel Rodriguez.

These last two are leaders in a movement that is playing an increasingly significant role in American politics, constructing a religious network determined to see Trump re-elected in November so that he can continue their mission: to turn America into a theocracy. This is the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).

The NAR was founded in the mid-1990s by a New York minister and theological professor called C Peter Wagner. Its adherents believe that the idea of apostles and prophets didn’t end in Jesus’s time and that the organisation’s leaders are living prophets and apostles today.

It is distinguished by an adherence to Dominionism – the belief that God wants his followers to rise to power through civil systems so Christians can control society. At its heart is what’s known as the Seven Mountains mandate, which offers a blueprint of how the NAR can reclaim America for Christ, by imposing its influence over politics, education, family, the arts, the media, business, and religion.

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Web magazine Religion Dispatches calls the NAR “one of the most important Christian religious and political movements of our time” and points to the role of NAR leaders in the electoral campaigns of Trump “and Trump-aligned figures, from school boards to statewide elected offices”.

On his website, Lance Wallnau, an American preacher who popularised the Seven Mountains strategy, calls it an “unstoppable movement”.

Some media coverage conflates the NAR with Christian Nationalism, but they're actually very different. Christian nationalism contends that America has always been a Christian nation. But it’s more about identity than religion, bound up in nativism and white supremacy – reimagining the country’s history and values.

NAR, on the other hand, is very much rooted in religion. It’s also multi-racial, and at its root is the restoration of modern-day apostles and prophets – including women like White-Cain. NAR’s vision is to remove the “demonic forces” from positions of power and replace them with Christians intent on bringing about the Kingdom of God.

Talk to Action, a platform dedicated to analysis of the religious right, says NAR demonises minority groups such as Muslim-Americans and LGBT+ citizens, and promotes “a Tea Party style of radical libertarian economics categorically opposed to government involvement in healthcare, and advocates the burning or destruction of objects and scripture associated with a wide range of faiths”.

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Televangelist Paula White-Cain speaking at a Faith & Freedom Coalition breakfast (Getty)
Anthea Butler, chair of the department of Religious Studies at the University of Pennsylvania and an expert on evangelicalism, says that of the politicians courted by the NAR, some are actually involved in the movement, but others, like Trump, see it as an opportunity.

“Trump doesn’t understand it in the religious sense, but he definitely understands that he can use it to put himself forward,” she says. “He understands instinctively that these are people who understand power and want it, and that they will help him get it so that they can get it.”

Butler said the attempt on Trump’s life at his campaign rally in Pennsylvania in July is now being seen in theological terms. “This assassination attempt is perfect for him because they will twist scripture to show that he is really God’s man and that God rescued him to be president. This is why they are so triumphant and believe that they’re going to win in November.”

If you thought the US constitution ensured separation of church and state, for the most part, presidents before the 1970s largely kept their faith close to their chests. But that disappeared when Democrat Jimmy Carter came to power.

As author Richard Hutcheson wrote in his book, God in the White House, Carter’s “bubbling Baptist evangelicalism was all-too painfully public … He talked openly about being born again, thereby establishing a born-again test for future presidential aspirants for the evangelical vote.”

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Faith leaders pray over the former president during an 'Evangelicals for Trump' campaign event in 2020 (Getty)
After Carter, the religious right were in the ascendance, and evangelicals aligned themselves more with Republicanism. During Ronald Reagan’s presidency, social issues such as opposition to abortion emerged as pivotal to his political agenda.

James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, a prominent American evangelical organisation, described America as being embroiled in a new “civil war”, distinguished by a clash between two irreconcilable worldviews. Dobson was among those church leaders praying over Trump in the Roosevelt Room back in 2019.

But Butler says the NAR is different to conventional evangelicalism. “It’s more like Pentecostalism and neo-charismatic Christianity,” she says – Christian movements that emphasise spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues or prophesy. “Prophesy,” Butler adds, “is what’s inherent in all of this.

“It doesn’t matter that [Trump has] been married to three women and slept with a porn star and did all this stuff. You have to understand that for them, he was a sinner, but that God has redeemed him and used him.”

For evangelicals and the NAR, Trump’s opposition to abortion and his judicial appointments, particularly to the Supreme Court, as well as his stance on issues like Israel, are of paramount importance. “It isn’t so much they’re doing this so Jesus can come back,” Butler says. “It’s that there’s evil on Earth right now. The evil happens to be Democrats and liberals and trans people. And God has given [them] time to fight it.”

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James C Dobson has described America as being embroiled in a new ‘civil war’ (Getty)
A little over a decade ago, I attended a New Apostolic Reformation church service in the suburbs of Austin, Texas. Back then, I was writing a story about how the NAR was supporting the then Texas governor Rick Perry in his (failed) bid for the Republican presidential nomination. “We’re part of his army,” the minister, Art Serna, told the congregation that night. “And every one of you has a role to play.”

A man behind me wearing a baggy baseball T-shirt began talking in tongues before lying prostrate on the floor between the chairs, mumbling. Serna walked over to an older man standing at the front of the room and lay his hands on his chest. The man began shaking before throwing his head back and closing his eyes.

After the service, I met Bob Long, a jovial, grey-haired man who led the church and who was considered an apostle by his followers. He told me the NAR was “looking for the most conservative candidate who holds both a conservative fiscal and social world view” – which Long explained meant a “Biblical worldview”. On Long’s church website, it describes its aim as to raise up a “company equipped to invade every arena of culture, commerce and civil government”.

When I raised the criticism that the NAR should stay out of politics – that it was, after all, Thomas Jefferson who described a “wall of separation” between church and state – Long told me that civil government itself was invented by God. But, he added: “That doesn’t mean a theocracy in the 21st century. Nobody wants that except Islam and some other world religions.”

Back then, more than 10 years ago, in addition to telling me abortion and gay marriage would be illegal, Long said America needed to repent for the sins of the nation. One of those sins, he said, was “allowing the innocent blood of 55 million unborn babies that has been shed in our land since 1973 Roe v Wade.”

But in the summer of 2022, thanks to Trump appointments during his term in office, a conservative-leaning Supreme Court repealed Roe, ending the constitutional right to abortion in America.

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Trump and American evangelical preacher Andrew Brunson participate in a prayer in the Oval Office (Getty)
Project 2025 is a proposed plan published by conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation which aims to promote right-wing policies that it hopes will reshape the United States government should Trump win the election in November.

Butler told me so much of Project 2025 is about religious issues, “whether we’re talking about education or sexuality or banning gays and trans people. It fits into that in the sense that they’re making God’s government; that they are creating a theocracy. [These people] are not interested in democracy. They’re interested in freedom for themselves, not for anybody else. They like authoritarianism, which is why they like Trump. And everything revolves around him right now.”

At the end of July, a travelling tent revival – a hallmark of US evangelicalism since the 1800s – came to Eau Claire, a small city in Wisconsin. Among the speakers was controversial US Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, but it also featured a lineup of preachers and “prophets” of the New Apostolic Reformation.

Headlining the event was Wallnau, who along with his fellow revivalists, had a message: Vote in November. And help elect Donald Trump. “America’s Awakening Begins Here,” the website for The Courage Tour announces. “Embrace transformation and reformation.” More locations, it notes, will be announced in the run-up to November's election.

In Britain, it’s hard to imagine a mainstream politician embracing religion in such a massive way in order to gain support. Mixing politics and religion can get you in hot water. But in the US, in today’s Republican party, the opposite is true. Trump’s imperfections or crimes are irrelevant. God has saved him. And he’s now been chosen to lead their battle for the soul of America


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They’re invited to meetings at the White House. They exchange calls, texts and emails with administration staffers. And they occasionally pray with the president.

Here’s a list of some of the key evangelical leaders — mostly men but also one woman — who were on President Donald Trump’s campaign evangelical executive advisory board and/or have served in an advisory role since his inauguration.
Gary Bauer — president, American Values; former president of Family Research Council; former chief domestic policy adviser in the Reagan administration

Mark Burns — co-founder and CEO of The NOW Television Network in Easley, S.C.; spoke at the 2016 Republican National Convention

Tim Clinton — president, American Association of Christian Counselors

James Dobson — author, psychologist and host, “Family Talk”

Jordan Easley — pastor of Englewood Baptist Church in Jackson, Tenn.; chairs Southern Baptists’ Young Leaders Advisory Council

Jerry Falwell Jr. — president, Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va.

Ronnie Floyd — author and senior pastor, Cross Church in northwest Arkansas; former Southern Baptist Convention president

Jack Graham — author and pastor of Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas; former Southern Baptist Convention president

Rodney Howard-Browne — co-founder of The River at Tampa Bay Church and Revival Ministries International in Florida

Harry Jackson — senior pastor, Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md.; co-founder of The Reconciled Church: Healing the Racial Divide

Robert Jeffress — senior pastor, First Baptist Church of Dallas; hosted Fourth of July event at Kennedy Center featuring Trump as a speaker

Richard Land — president, Southern Evangelical Seminary in Matthews, N.C.; former president, Southern Baptist Convention Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission

Greg Laurie — author and senior pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, Calif.

Eric Metaxas — author and host, “The Eric Metaxas Show”; speaker, 2012 National Prayer Breakfast
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Johnnie Moore — author, religious freedom advocate and public relations executive; serves as unofficial spokesman for group of evangelicals advising Trump administration

Frank Page — president and CEO, Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee; former Southern Baptist Convention president; former member of President Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships

Tony Perkins — president, Family Research Council

Ralph Reed — founder, Faith and Freedom Coalition; former executive director, Christian Coalition

Tony Suarez — executive vice president, National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference

Paula White — senior pastor, New Destiny Christian Center in Apopka, Fla.; first clergywoman to give an invocation at an inauguration


 
How would the Democrats react if Trump had captured Hitler and his girlfriend the same way he captured Maduro and wife? Would they still say he broke international law? Would they still ask, "How would you like it if Hitler captured our president and wife?
 
Given Trump and their mindset was different then. But transporting today’s Democrats back in time would still yield the same nonsense I assume their reaction would be the same. It wouldn’t matter the evil of the capturee. Just my opinion. Of course the collective derangement of the Democrats is much greater than in the 1940s before they lost their minds. My entire family tree of West Texas cotton farmers was FDR Democrats back then, a whole different “breed of cat”. The people and their values didn’t change much, but the party sure did. No comparison to the Democrat Party of today. But the way, I don’t know of a single Democrat on either of the family today. LBJ caused most to doubt the Democrats, and then the Reagan Revolution took them the rest of the way.
 
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The truth is that Maduro is an extremely wicked man, maybe not a Hitler, but a mass murderer nonetheless. His wife? I don't know but she is at least complicit in all his wicked crimes. See the Dana Bash interview with Jim Jordan, regarding Trump's military action in Venezuela
 
I thought Jordan well handled the Democrat hack Bash’s interview. Venezuela is keyntobputting Russia AND China in a box, especially on in solving the Ukraine War, and other international hot spots. Weaning Europe off of Russian oil and gas is a slam dunk effort. Resolving the Arab/Israeli conflict with more peace and k no ore cooperation from gulf Arab nations with the enlargement of the Abraham accords. Every aspect of Venezuela is key to many of these things. We NEED Venezuela to be a successful parter, on with the single largest oil reserves in the world. Most of our refining capacity in the Gulf of AMERICA coast was designed specifically for Venezuela’ heavy and sour crude oil. Our own oil from our vast shale fields is light seet crude not suitable for our own refineries. This is WAY more than kicking aome tin pot dictator’s butt. This will be a win-win for both most of the world and US and Venezuela. People need to wake up!
 
I’m not an American, and my natural mind can easily get clouded with things that aren’t of paramount importance—especially when it comes to Trump and all the things he claims about A, B, or C. Are some of the things he says true? Does he exaggerate? Is there anything about him that might be disingenuous? Sure, those are all fair discussions to have in the natural realm.
But I want to lock in here on things of the Spirit and the Word of God. What does the Bible actually say?First, we need to stay anchored in Scripture, particularly in what Paul the Apostle taught in the New Testament about government. We see clearly that we are to pray for leaders and intercede for them, that God would move upon their hearts toward salvation, because God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:1–4; 2 Peter 3:9).However, there is another passage that really highlights what I believe is the main point of praying for leaders. Paul did not pray for a worldwide morality revolution. Instead, he prayed that the gospel would have free course and not be hindered (2 Thessalonians 3:1; Colossians 4:3; Ephesians 6:19–20).Here is the key: when you get that, you generally get the other. When the gospel has free course, people can be born again (John 3:3–7; James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23). They receive the life, love, and nature of God, and then morality begins to change—not through the flesh, but through the Spirit (Romans 8:1–4; Galatians 5:16–23; 2 Corinthians 3:6).

So what about Trump?

At the very least, he is a President who has stood—so far—on the side of allowing religious liberty. That creates a scenario where the gospel can have free course, and that is our agent for advancing the Kingdom of God (Acts 4:29; Acts 28:30–31).
Now, I understand the passion many Christians have about pro-life issues and wanting the courts to reflect those values. I get that. But we must always remember that what is achieved merely through legislation does not necessarily change the hearts of men (Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 2:28–29). Only God can give a new heart (Ezekiel 36:26–27).
Our mandate is not simply to modify external behavior, but to change hearts through the gospel (Matthew 28:19–20; 2 Corinthians 5:17–20).Some may disagree with me here, but I honestly don’t think Jesus would ever attend a pro-life rally. I could be wrong, but I believe He would say that while the intentions are sincere, that is not the wavelength He operates on. Jesus consistently addressed the root of the problem, not just the branches (Matthew 7:17–20; Matthew 15:18–19).
You can cut branches all day long, but if you don’t deal with the heart, the issue remains.

This can also be seen when Christians become overly involved in natural methods and then wonder where their joy has gone. The Kingdom of God is not advanced by external systems, but by righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost (Romans 14:17), and joy itself is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22).


Back to Trump.


To me, the central issue is that he has kept the door open for the gospel to have free course—and that is everything. With that freedom, hearts can change. Without it, they won’t. Some might argue that voting for someone else brings a leader who is nicer in mannerisms, more polite, or more gracious. That may be true, but such leaders may not preserve the freedom necessary for the gospel to run unhindered. Trump may not even realize this himself, but the moment he no longer allows the gospel to have free course, his usefulness in this regard ends. If there is any reason God has shown him favor, I believe this would be it.
Now regarding the idea of “Making America Great Again,” and I am speaking from God’s standpoint, not man’s: greatness in God’s eyes is not defined by national prosperity (Luke 12:15; Matthew 6:19–21).Israel desired prosperity intensely in the days of Christ, but Jesus was not primarily concerned with that, because such a focus appeals to the flesh (John 6:26–27). The Kingdom of God does not advance through fleshly means, but by spiritual power (Zechariah 4:6; 2 Corinthians 10:3–5).I understand that American citizens desire prosperity, but the Church must be careful not to jump on that bandwagon. If you are going to support Trump, it should be for the right reasons .Great prosperity can actually make it more difficult for people to be saved (Mark 10:23–25; 1 Timothy 6:9–10). Scripture itself tells us that not many wise, mighty, or noble are called (1 Corinthians 1:26–29), and the church in Revelation was rebuked precisely because it equated material wealth with spiritual health (Revelation 3:17).
 
I thought Jordan well handled the Democrat hack Bash’s interview. Venezuela is keyntobputting Russia AND China in a box, especially on in solving the Ukraine War, and other international hot spots. Weaning Europe off of Russian oil and gas is a slam dunk effort. Resolving the Arab/Israeli conflict with more peace and k no ore cooperation from gulf Arab nations with the enlargement of the Abraham accords. Every aspect of Venezuela is key to many of these things. We NEED Venezuela to be a successful parter, on with the single largest oil reserves in the world. Most of our refining capacity in the Gulf of AMERICA coast was designed specifically for Venezuela’ heavy and sour crude oil. Our own oil from our vast shale fields is light seet crude not suitable for our own refineries. This is WAY more than kicking aome tin pot dictator’s butt. This will be a win-win for both most of the world and US and Venezuela. People need to wake up!
Thank you Jaime,

You know these things better then most.
 
Trump is not a solution unto himself for any spiritual problem. I’m happy if he can make mostly correct decisions about how to run this country fiscally etc. I have zero aspirations for a born again President to come and rescue this country spiritually. I just don’t want some wannabe Democrat Socialist or full Communist at all at the helm. Figure out how to payoff our great great grandkid’s insurmountable debt and fix most of the corruption and fraud thst created the debt. I do not care that Trump is plain spoken and most time brash. With the evil arrayed against him and aimed at him, he needs to be probably a whole lot more brash and plain spoken. Keep us reasonably militarily strong, and don’t impede our freedoms. And ALWAYS be against men in women’s sports. Lordy mercy! 🙄
 
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