Wasn't about 10 years ago or so, when he said that?
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Wasn't about 10 years ago or so, when he said that?
civic
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I’m not sure do you know ?
There is an old video on YouTube where he said so in an interview, if I remember correctly.
As much as I would like to think he's a child of God, but based on his speech and the way he lives his overall life I could not and would call him a believers according to God' word. He had a very hard time saying that he has asked for forgiveness of his sin ~ children of God ask every day for God to forgive their shortcomings, for even in our most holy sincere acts of worship. sin is mixed with our righteousness that we think we are doing. Again, a tree is known by its fruits as said our Lord Jesus, I believe him, not what my heart wants to believe.
God warned us about wanting a king instead of a King (1 Samuel 8:1-18), but chose otherwise "...that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king (small "k") may judge us and go before us and fight our battles." (v.20)
It reminds me how loving our God is to give us up to our desires (Romans 1:24-25), how the path to destruction is wide (Matthew 7:13-14), in the end we'll have "itchy ears" (2 Timothy 4:3-4), and "there is no authority except drom God, and those that exist have been instituted by God" (Romans 13:1), but that we are to pray "for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life" (1 Timothy 2:2).
Yes, I wish our Commander in Chief has the humility of Solomon to recognize his inadequacy to rule outside of God's guidance. Young Solomon boldy prayed as such (1 Kings 3:5-9). The result? God also gave him "what you have not asked" (v.13).
My question, my challenge, how then have we prayed for our elected officials to govern with wisdom?
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction." (Proverbs 1:7)
I know not is Trump, or anyone for that matter, is a true believer or saved. What I do know is I'm commanded to love, pray, exhort, encourage, submit, and much more that I cannot, and will not do, without His Holy Spirit.
So, I'll start.
Father God, with humble and contrite hearts, that we know you don't despise, we lift up our leaders of this free nation to repent and return unto you for forgiveness, mercy, guidance, obedience, and a hunger for righteousness. Let their subjects (us) be found as a house of prayer, consistently and fervently interceding through our most powerful weapon, prayer.
It reminds me how loving our God is to give us up to our desires (Romans 1:24-25), how the path to destruction is wide (Matthew 7:13-14), in the end we'll have "itchy ears" (2 Timothy 4:3-4), and "there is no authority except drom God, and those that exist have been instituted by God" (Romans 13:1), but that we are to pray "for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life" (1 Timothy 2:2).
Yes, I wish our Commander in Chief has the humility of Solomon to recognize his inadequacy to rule outside of God's guidance. Young Solomon boldy prayed as such (1 Kings 3:5-9). The result? God also gave him "what you have not asked" (v.13).
My question, my challenge, how then have we prayed for our elected officials to govern with wisdom?
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction." (Proverbs 1:7)
I know not is Trump, or anyone for that matter, is a true believer or saved. What I do know is I'm commanded to love, pray, exhort, encourage, submit, and much more that I cannot, and will not do, without His Holy Spirit.
So, I'll start.
Father God, with humble and contrite hearts, that we know you don't despise, we lift up our leaders of this free nation to repent and return unto you for forgiveness, mercy, guidance, obedience, and a hunger for righteousness. Let their subjects (us) be found as a house of prayer, consistently and fervently interceding through our most powerful weapon, prayer.
Eternally-Grateful
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so being a non denom christian is bad?
civic
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nope I'm one
Eternally-Grateful
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so am I, thats why I questioned what he saidnope I'm one
FreeInChrist
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I dont know.
The only non denominational ones I have known were a neighbor and they had a luke warm idea of being a Christian.
They did not identify as such.
So maybe I am wrong.... ?
civic
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I think every single church denomination has " lukewarm" people.
Also lukewarm can mean many different things to people.
If we look at Jesus teaching as the standard on the cost of being His disciples then most everyone in every church would be considered lukewarm.
Just my 2 cents fwiw.
Jesus standards are in this thread.
Eternally-Grateful
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I identify as a Christian. I just hold no allegiance to any denomination
The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD, and He delights in his way. Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down; for the LORD upholds him with His hand.
PSALM 37:23-24
Look up the word failure and it says “a lack of success in or at something.” But in reality, though, you cannot achieve success in anything without failures along the way. So we should not give-up on anyone whose walk don't look so great.
I don't think anyone is born with the ability to do anything successfully on the first attempt. Babies fall when learning to walk; pianists hit sour notes when trying to master a composition; athletes come in second and third while building up what it takes to place first. But there is a common thread among them all: they never let fear of failure keep them from striving for success.
A lot of us have a fear of failure, but if we desire to be used by God to further His Kingdom and bring glory to His name, we must ask Him to help us overcome this. Imagine the amazing things we could do in God’s name if we never let fear hold us back!
We might stumble along the way, but in the end, God’s name would be glorified, and we would set an example for those around us that it’s okay to try big things for God, even if we fail along the way to success.
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praise_yeshua
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He is probably more of a deist than anything else. Most of the "founding fathers" were deists. Jefferson even rejected the concept of "miracles" in the life of Jesus....
Franklin, Adams, Washington were more business men than anything else.
I see Trump as a "business man" looking for reasonable compromises at times and sometimes not.
I don't believe many really understand the "Christianity" among the early founding of the United States. Not, that I don't believe such affects our laws. The context of a "Christian nation" to me is contrary to fact in the origins of the US. I know that might come as a surprise to many but I know the subject extensively. I was taught when I young and decided to know the facts myself.
I don't personally look for a "Theocracy" run by men. I'll wait for Jesus Himself before I'll trust another.
praise_yeshua
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Solomon wasn't a very good king. Jesus even appealed to the flowers of the field as being greater than Solomon.
Men always mess up. It is just a matter of time. I don't expect perfection among men. I've already recognized the Best. I don't have much "man worship" in me anymore. None. It is all but gone from me.
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praise_yeshua
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Something remarkable recently passed unnoticed. Trump spoke at Charlie Kirk’s memorial but didn't champion Christian charity. He advocated a decidedly Old Testament approach (one finding unanimous support on these pages):
Who preaches hatred while eulogizing “a missionary”? Trump spoke deliberately.
He’s preparing America for war while placing enemies on notice. He doesn’t support understanding the sinner and seeking to reform him. He hates the sinner and the sin.
Why Trump Hates His Enemies
Something remarkable recently passed unnoticed. Trump spoke at Charlie Kirk’s memorial but didn't champion Christian charity. He advocated a decidedly Old Testament approach (one finding unanimous support on these pages):&nb...www.americanthinker.com
I'd say that he might be concerned about offending Islamic government that he must deal with. I don't know for certain. I can tell you that I didn't really like how "Huckabee" tried to sell "Christian Nationalism".
I personally believe as citizens of America that we should avoid absolutes in governance where we can. We should endeavor to get along as much as humanly possible.
I do believe there comes a time when you just can't do this anymore. People will take advantage of our Christian charity.
Speculator
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Only the Bible can touch the human soul. No other book on earth has the ability to convert, or restore, the soul of man. And that means the Bible is the only book that can restore man to a place of fellowship with God. The Bible doesn’t deal with our outward appearance because that is not the real, eternal part of you. The Bible deals with the inner man, the soul of man, revealing what is wrong and how it can be restored. As Hosea 6:1 says, sometimes God has to injure us before He heals us. The Word of God has the ability to diagnose, then restore, the soul of man.
praise_yeshua
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Jesus is alive and well. I believe this is a vital part of what is missing in the Gospel today.
Give you an example of what I mean by saying this...
I once sang "Jesus loves me this I know because the Bible tells me so".
I gave up on that tradition. I've sung for many many years now " Jesus loves me this I know for Jesus says so".
I changed because I noticed how people (including myself) weren't really focusing on the origins of such words. The firsthand witness isn't the Bible. The One that said those words is alive and well today. He is not far from any of us.
Speculator
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His spirit is in us. The bible is His living word. His living word says I'm he righteousness of God in Him.
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21
I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
John 15:5
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21
I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
John 15:5
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