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FreeInChrist
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Good point but then when man gets unified God does not like that either because there is the story of the Tower of Babel.
Lubbock is about 110 miles straight north of Midland. Our daughters still live in Midland, but the grandkids are in Lubbock for now.
How about them Red Raiders? Wreck ‘em Tech! I hooe we can remain worth ofnour ranking. Long time coming for a old Red Raiders fan. We finally got the wherewithall (money) to compete with the big boys.
How about them Red Raiders? Wreck ‘em Tech! I hooe we can remain worth ofnour ranking. Long time coming for a old Red Raiders fan. We finally got the wherewithall (money) to compete with the big boys.
FreeInChrist
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Agreed,
But he believes it and I thought it before he said it that God saved him in Butlar PA.... (I watched that happen)
Trump has an ego problem.... always has..... so if he believes as do I that God saved him then if it were I I might feel I had a good relationship with Him also... (No comments from the peanut gallery)
I have heard him before say he has never asked God for forgiveness... I do not know if that is because he never sees he did anything wrong?????//
In truth... after that bullet grazed his ear he was very very quiet for many many days and none of us has any idea what, if anything transpired between God the Father and Donald Trump. There well could have so dont think I am nuts.
As to the bible being personal to him... I have family that wont discuss it. I had one family say I need to keep away from
this forum and others because they are dangerous. That came after I pointed out something to one and I turned to the other and said... "Its in your bible look it up" I do not remember what it was and wish I could.
So it is personal for a lot of people I believe. Not to mention if at any point in their marriage he (Protestant) talked with Melania (RCC) that could have been interesting to hear.... or even talking to Jarrod.
OK folks.... Enough from me.
Merry and Blessed Christmas to one and all.
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civic
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the problem I have with him on a personal level is he has said he has no need for forgiveness or repentance since he has never done anything wrong.
civic
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here is the video and norman vincent peale was his pastor the power of positive thinking.
have you asked God for forgiveness ? no
have you asked God for forgiveness ? no
FreeInChrist
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That is a problem, but I guess he does not think he ever did?
I can say a lot of wrong about him and sex... but then a lot of men feel that there is nothing wrong with wandering or extra.. or pre marriage. I have a friend in FL who said that there is nothing wrong with sex , period, married or not. I had a penpal about , gosh, 8 or 9 years ago, and we had some great conversaations about cabbages and kings .. I said I was a born again Christian and he said he was also.... his wife had died and it seemed to be that we were growing close and he wanted to come and meet me, and I said that is fine but do not expect anything. And he said why not...? And I said because I am a Christian and marriage comes first and he came back to me with ... not at this stage of life, or something like that... and he went his way and I went mine...
So sex, especially to a lot of men is just normal.
I know a young woman who had a baby right out of highschool... she is not with the dad, she is with a boyfriend and she absolutely believes that God, in heave, gave her the baby to save her life when she was so depressed....
I could fill the next hour with examples I know but wont.
So if this is his mindset... because it is Don Jrs And maybe even his Dad....
He and da lot of people .... possibly most.... are going to be in for a huge surprise.
@Jamie I'm pulling for them just because of you. I do not like University of Texas. We here in South Carolina bet a meal on games, there in Texas they put up oil Fields on games. Big time money in Austin.
Clemson had a bad year, and in their bowl game with Penn State, 27 players option out for different reasons. A few of them expecting to go high in the draft, other transferring, etc.
Red A@¥ the big time programs have money issues. The NIL and Transfer Portal have all but ruined college sports or at least equalled the field field a little. We were just late to the game. My two favoritr teams are Texas Tech and whoever Texas is playing.
Apparently unified BELIEVERS is a different proposition.
John 17:20 -22
20 ¶ “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one
If Jimmy Carter, our last born again Christian President was any indicator, i’ll go for Trump or someone like him every time. Other than that Jesus will never be on the ticket. Reagan was a lot like Trump except very much a gentleman. He didn’t have the level of pure evil against him like Trump has or he would have surely wilted. Trump is uniquely qualified in personality and grit to take on the the evil of today’s world and an exact opposite to President Biden thankfully. Trump and Reagan are easily the best two Presidents in my lifetime and considering the opposition, Trump is hand’s down the winner in my opinion. That distinction will become more and more evident as time goes on in my view. Trump will mercifully eviscerate the Establishment Uniparty that poses as a two party system presenting the illision of political choice. I say all this as one who mercilessly mocked candidate Trump in 2015 and 2016. My firend @FreeInChrist can attest to that back in our early days on the other forum. until he destroyed the rest of the Republican field and embarrassed Hillary. Since then I have been on the Trump train. Give me a smot slinging street brawler anyday to battle the epic evil we see today. Trump like the murder and adulter King David is far from a model godly human, but I do think God he has been preserved bu God for such a time as this. That near miss in Butler, PA was a miracle in my opinion. Especially watching the balistic analysis of the bullet’s path and his just in time slight head furn. If someone doesn’t agree, I’m fine with that.
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FreeInChrist
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I fully agree @Jaime,
dwight92070
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Being a nondenominational Christian does not mean I have no solid beliefs. I believe dispensationalism, Calvinism, baptismal regeneration, OSAS, church membership, Catholicism, infant baptism, Seventh Day Adventism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness', universalism, unitarianism, Bahai, Judaism, Christian Science, Buddhism, Islam, Modalism, and Hinduism are all false doctrine and false teachings. So what do I believe?
I believe we are saved by God's grace through our faith in Jesus, not the faith of Jesus, and not by our works.
I believe in water baptism, not to get saved, but because we are saved. Infants cannot and do not understand the gospel, so it is very wrong to baptize them, since they cannot freely choose to follow Jesus. There is no justification for sprinkling anyone with water, and calling that water baptism. The Bible obviously portrays total immersion as the proper way to baptize.
Getting saved means being born again, a supernatural event that takes place at a point in time, that only God can perform and only He decides when that will happen, but we know that that depends on our repentance and faith in Jesus.
I believe there are 3 Persons in the Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Bible teaches they are distinct from one another and yet at the same time, they are each other. Each is God, and together they are God.
Jesus is God in the flesh.
The Bible teaches that Jesus broke the Law of Moses on several occasions, yet He is without sin because the laws He broke were not moral laws - they were ceremonial laws. The Bible seems to almost delight in displaying all the times that Jesus healed on the Sabbath - an obvious "in your face" violation of the Law of Moses. He Himself said that His Father was "working until now", on the Sabbath day, and that He also was working, on the Sabbath day, John 5:17, which proves that healing was considered work.
I believe Jesus became the Son of God when He was conceived inside Mary's womb. Before that, He was the Word of God.
I believe Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God." Mark 1:1, meaning that they are the beginning of the New Covenant, which Jesus purchased with His shed blood, Matthew 26:28. They are not part of the Old Covenant, as dispensationalists would have us believe.
I believe there is only one gospel, not two - again a belief of dispensationalists.
The Bible teaches that Jesus was born under the Law of Moses, so His parents kept that Law, and apparently He did too, until the time came when He left and was no longer under their authority. After that He was free to keep or not keep ceremonial laws. Since He freed us from the curse of the Law, He Himself obviously was not under the Law. Obviously, He never broke a moral law such as the sin of adultery, lying, stealing, taking God's name in vain, murder, idolatry, coveting, having other gods, or dishonored His parents - since that would contradicts His character. The Sabbath day is a ceremonial law.
Once a person is born again, he automatically becomes a "member" of the world-wide body of Christ. Local churches have no business asking regular attenders to sign a statement to become a member of their church. The Bible doesn't require that. Why should they?
The Jews are no longer God's chosen people. They haven't been since Jesus was killed and raised from the dead. Jesus said that the kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews and given to the church. Matthew 21:43 Peter tells us that the body of Christ has been "a chosen family, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession" since his day or really since Christ's crucifixion and resurrection. God does not have two chosen nations, only one, the body of Christ.
It doesn't appear that Donald Trump is a born again believer, even though, for the most part, he stands for justice and does righteous deeds - obviously the opposite of Joe Biden. His filthy mouth is not the fruit of the Holy Spirit and His association with the word of faith people, like Paula White, is another sign that He cannot discern between a genuine believer and a purveyor of false doctrine. I think he lumps all Christians and false Christians into one category - religious.
civic
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I'm a dispy and believe in one single gospel, not two.
dwight92070
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You dispy's must have "100 different flavors".
- Dispensationalists typically believe in two distinct gospels: one for Israel and one for the Church.
- The gospel of the Kingdom is often associated with Israel and the Old Testament.
- The gospel of grace is primarily for the Church, emphasizing salvation through faith in Christ.
- They see a clear distinction between God's plan for Israel and His plan for the Church.
- This belief influences their interpretation of biblical prophecy and eschatology.
- Dispensationalists argue that these gospels reflect different dispensations or periods in God's redemptive plan.
FreeInChrist
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As to Trump being born again.
It was his first election when all the evangelicals were grooming him, so to speak and it came from someone that Trump got born again at that time.
civic
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Not true for me, I’m just dispy in end times sequence. The same gospel is for both Jew and Gentile alike.
dwight92070
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At least you got the "one gospel" part right. Now we just need to work on the end times part.
So do you also disagree with dispy's on whether the gospels are part of the Old Covenant? They say yes, I say no, the gospels are part of the New Covenant, which is why they are placed in the New Testament. Duh.
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