Trinity destruction in Scripture

[Victoria]

I agree w/ Mike here, Runningman. You have no idea what you're saying.
May God have mercy on your soul

 

[Runningman]

You unitarians have really created a Christianity without Christ. That is a miserable view you have of treating Jesus as an idol instead of as the deity he is within the Shema.

Scripture explicitly states there is only one God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son and messiah, glorified and exalted, but human nonetheless. You're basically saying Jesus Christ is miserable. That's not very Christian of you.

 

[Runningman]

I agree w/ Mike here, Runningman. You have no idea what you're saying.
May God have mercy on your sou

I say the same to you Victoria. May God have mercy on your soul. Judgement is coming. It's sad that repentance from idolatry is within your reach and you refuse. I also would advise don't turn this into a mud flinging contest. I know how to do it too. Let's keep the board civil and free of judging others. Thanks.

 

[mikesw]

Scripture explicitly states there is only one God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son and messiah, glorified and exalted, but human nonetheless. You're basically saying Jesus Christ is miserable. That's not very Christian of you.

Please do not continue your defaming of Jesus. You have no respect for God or the Christians here.

 

[mikesw]

You have already insulted the Father and the Son and most everyone here. You have sought to reduce Jesus to an idol and even less. That is hardly civil.

 

[Runningman]

Please do not continue your defaming of Jesus. You have no respect for God or the Christians here.

Jesus being "God" is idolatry.


John 17
1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people,a so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

 

[Runningman]

You have already insulted the Father and the Son and most everyone here. You have sought to reduce Jesus to an idol and even less. That is hardly civil.

Nope I didn't but as you call God a man you might as well be calling Him a liar to His face.

Hosea 11
9I will not execute the full fury of My anger;
I will not destroy Ephraim again.
For I am God and not man—
the Holy One among you—
and I will not come in wrath.

 

[Victoria]

I say the same to you Victoria. May God have mercy on your soul. Judgement is coming. It's sad that repentance from idolatry is within your reach and you refuse. I also would advise don't turn this into a mud flinging contest. I know how to do it too. Let's keep the board civil and free of judging others. Thanks.

No one here is creating countless threads mocking what orthodox Christians believe, Runningman.
Your accusations are the other way around, you're projecting.

 

[mikesw]

Jesus being "God" is idolatry.


John 17
1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people,a so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

Please do not continue your defaming of Jesus. You have no respect for God or the Christians here.

 

[Runningman]

No one here is creating countless threads mocking what orthodox Christians believe, Runningman.
Your accusations are the other way around, you're projecting.

My threads are apologetics threads, but I am polite and civil. I also make threads for me and my brethren to discuss things. You don't have to reply. Can't we just have our own corner of peace to discuss the falsehoods of trinitarian doctrine while you and yours talk about your beliefs?

 

[mikesw]

Nope I didn't but as you call God a man you might as well be calling Him a liar to His face.

Hosea 11
9I will not execute the full fury of My anger;
I will not destroy Ephraim again.
For I am God and not man—
the Holy One among you—
and I will not come in wrath.

Your persistent denial is not civil when you call worship of our Lord and Christ as idolatry. You totally reject Christ.

I thought you might tame down some. Instead you increase your incivility.

 

[Runningman]

Please do not continue your defaming of Jesus. You have no respect for God or the Christians here.

I say the same thing to you.

 

[Runningman]

Your persistent denial is not civil when you call worship of our Lord and Christ as idolatry. You totally reject Christ.

Well, Jesus isn't God. Of course worshipping him as deity is idolatry. You can bow to Jesus and others but not like they are God of course.

 

[mikesw]

Well, Jesus isn't God. Of course worshipping him as deity is idolatry. You can bow to Jesus and others but not like they are God of course.

the problem just goes one way. If Jesus is a man exalted by God, it is hardly evil to exalt him. But with Jesus as deity incarnate, it is evil to reduce him to a man

 

[synergy]

I'll take you not answering my question and getting defensive about it as an acknowledgement that it's a tough question for you. It's ok to have tough questions. I really hope you think about the answer to this one and don't do what the Catholics did by turning Mary into an idol as well.

You were caught with your pants down denigrating Jesus and so you're now desperately trying to divert away from that fact. We're on to your denigrating and diversion tactics.

Spoiler: Here's the answer

(Mary is the mother of a human kyrios named Jesus by the way)

Why don't you quote Bible verses? What a novel idea for unitarians.

 

[Runningman]

the problem just goes one way. If Jesus is a man exalted by God, it is hardly evil to exalt him. But with Jesus as deity incarnate, it is evil to reduce him to a man

What are your objections to the Father alone being the true God? The Bible says He is. Why do I need to entertain your denials forever when it's more constructive to just leave you behind and keep pressing forward? God will deal with you. I have already did my job, but not everyone believes the truth, even those who claim they are Christian.

 

[Runningman]

You were caught with your pants down denigrating Jesus and so you're now desperately trying to divert away from that fact. We're on to your denigrating and diversion tactics.

Why don't you quote Bible verses? What a novel idea for unitarians.

More false accusations. Then how about you be a man and defend that faith that is in you.

Is Mary the mother of the Lord (kyrios) according to the flesh or the mother of the Lord according to the spirit?

Luke 1
43And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

 

[mikesw]

What are your objections to the Father alone being the true God? The Bible says He is. Why do I need to entertain your denials forever when it's more constructive to just leave you behind and keep pressing forward? God will deal with you. I have already did my job, but not everyone believes the truth, even those who claim they are Christian.

the problem is that you have to alter the wording to share here. Then also you forget that Jesus is One in that same God. You neglect the passages that show the deity of Christ. Your views are distorted and you cannot make a sufficient argument to deny the deity of Christ.

 

[civic]

I'll take you not answering my question and getting defensive about it as an acknowledgement that it's a tough question for you. It's ok to have tough questions. I really hope you think about the answer to this one and don't do what the Catholics did by turning Mary into an idol as well.

Spoiler: Here's the answer

(Mary is the mother of a human kyrios named Jesus by the way)

this is a strawman since we Christian Trinitarians don't hold mary above anyone- she was in need of a Savior as all men. Jesus was her Savior for her sins.

And Jesus did not need to be saved since He was the Savior of all the world. No man can save anyone form their sins. Psalm 49:7.

So since Jesus is our Savior, He is not an idol since only God can save a man from their sins. And we know Christ is God, Savior, Lord, Redeemer, Creator, Holy, sinless just like the Father.

Like Father, like Son- both are God hence He is called God manifest in the flesh, All the fulness of Deity dwells bodily, who being in the very nature GOD did not think it robbery to be EQUAL to God. He who has seen ME has seen the Father, Before Abraham was I AM, I Am the Alpha and Omega- the ALMIGHTY, I Am the First and the Last, I Am the beginning and the End, I Am the Good Shepherd, The Lord is my Shepherd I shall not want. He is the ONE LORD, ONLY LORD. He is YHWH the Great I Am - He is the Father of Eternity, the Mighty God, Emmanuel. He is before all created things and created all things. In Him al things exist. He holds all things in creation together as its Creator. The Word was God, the Word who was God became Flesh- man and dwelled among us and we beheld HIS GLORY. God will not share His Glory with anyone. Jesus said He shared the same GLORY together with the Father before the world existed. He is the True God and Eternal life, He was worshipped as God/Lord/Savior, by those He healed, His disciples and all who are in heaven now.

I could go on and on for hours on end showing from memory all His Divine Titles, descriptions, scriptures declaring His Deity. I'm just beginning to get warmed up, this coffee I roasted is fantastic.

next fallacy.................

hope this helps !!!

 

[mikesw]

this is a strawman since we Christian Trinitarians don't hold mary above anyone- she was in need of a Savior as all men. Jesus was her Savior for her sins.

And Jesus did not need to be saved since He was the Savior of all the world. No man can save anyone form their sins. Psalm 49:7.

So since Jesus is our Savior, He is not an idol since only God can save a man from their sins. And we know Christ is God, Savior, Lord, Redeemer, Creator, Holy, sinless just like the Father.

Like Father, like Son- both are God hence He is called God manifest in the flesh, All the fulness of Deity dwells bodily, who being in the very nature GOD did not think it robbery to be EQUAL to God. He who has seen ME has seen the Father, Before Abraham was I AM, I Am the Alpha and Omega- the ALMIGHTY, I Am the First and the Last, I Am the beginning and the End, I Am the Good Shepherd, The Lord is my Shepherd I shall not want. He is the ONE LORD, ONLY LORD. He is YHWH the Great I Am - He is the Father of Eternity, the Mighty God, Emmanuel. He is before all created things and created all things. In Him al things exist. He holds all things in creation together as its Creator. The Word was God, the Word who was God became Flesh- man and dwelled among us and we beheld HIS GLORY. God will not share His Glory with anyone. Jesus said He shared the same GLORY together with the Father before the world existed. He is the True God and Eternal life, He was worshipped as God/Lord/Savior, by those He healed, His disciples and all who are in heaven now.

I could go on and on for hours on end showing from memory all His Divine Titles, descriptions, scriptures declaring His Deity. I'm just beginning to get warmed up, this coffee I roasted is fantastic.

next fallacy.................

hope this helps !!!

I have not heard whether you have these organized somewhere. Some stuff should go in the resources page or featured content, but it is hard to keep expanding the forum. I sort of was checking books on the Trinity that share many unexpected passages. One list of books is on bestcommentaries.com -- but this is not my focus right now.