It is such a weird phenomena how they read the scriptures in such a weird way. Their arguments also fail to pan out as any reasoned thought.
Trinity destruction in Scripture
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synergy
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Yes, it's so weird how unitarians are so ready to degrade Jesus every chance they get. What's behind all that animosity of theirs?
Runningman
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So you think humans have person(s) plural as part of their beings? How many persons are you? Verse?
civic
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Im one flesh with my wife but im not my wife
Runningman
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Let's break it down. You have persons in your trinity, right? When different persons are together that's more than one persons. Together those persons would be a they or them and not alone, right? Let's begin with that and find out where the breakdown in logic is occurring.
civic
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Runningman
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Then why is God with great consistency not an "our" or "us" throughout the remainder of the Bible, but rather a He, His, Him?
Runningman
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Oh, I didn't think you would try to play word games.
Is Mary the mother of the Lord (kyrios) according to the flesh or the mother of the Lord according to the spirit?
Luke 1
43And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Victoria
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Perfect example! Why don't they get this?Im one flesh with my wife but im not my wife
It is not multiple gods here. It is one God. But God does not exist in the way you reduce things. I'm not sure why you cannot accept that God has a choice how to express things. The requirement now is just a matter of trusting God even though not what you expected. God has ways of surprising us.
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civic
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They understand the one flesh , 2 persons but since we are discussing God and they have a bias they refuse to acknowledge that husband / wife, man/woman made in Gods plural image reflect God is more than a single person. It’s turning a blind eye to the obvious truth and denying the ELEPHANT in the room
I was just thinking how the unitarian view makes an easy bridge to the christ-consciousness --that another man can be a christ figure.They understand the one flesh , 2 persons but since we are discussing God and they have a bias they refuse to acknowledge that husband / wife, man/woman made in Gods plural image reflect God is more than a single person. It’s turning a blind eye to the obvious truth and denying the ELEPHANT in the room
The real distinction from other religions is that God changed his approach first with the Jews but carried over to the gentiles. He sent his only Son. This had to be Christ in his divinity or essence of God.
This is not quite to expect that the unitarians here have intended to create a bridge. But it certainly is an era where bridge-making is anticipated.
Runningman
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The "our" isn't a trinity.
Scripture states God was alone in creation, no trinity.
God the Creator is called a "You" not a they or them:
Nehemiah 9
6You alone are the LORD.
You created the heavens,
the highest heavens with all their host,
the earth and all that is on it,
the seas and all that is in them.
You give life to all things,
and the host of heaven worships You.
Runningman
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Orthodox trinitarianism defines each member of its god as three persons. Individual person who are together are not alone and not collectively called a he. Why not just believe God is a single person and created alone as the Bible says?
civic
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I can just as easily say God is a trinity where God uses plural pronouns.
next fallacy
[Sarcasm alert]Oops. God made a mistake saying "us" in Genesis 1. The unitarians found a clear error in scripture.[end sarcasm]
synergy
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The Bible does not play word games. Only unitarians would degrade Jesus by calling him our master "according to the flesh". Stop degrading him.
And on top of your degradating comments, you are diverting the subject of conversation from Jesus to Mary. We're on to your diversion schemes.
Runningman
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Of which there are none. There is no working example of God being an "Our" or "Us" after that. God is referred to with singular pronouns 99.9% of the rest of the Bible after 2 verses in Genesis 1. So there isn't a strong case to make for God being multi-person using pronouns. Unpopular opinion is God is referring to angels. They're the only names persons who would have been with God during the creation of humans.
Psalm 82
1 God presides in the divine assembly;
He renders judgment among the gods:
Job 38
4Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know!
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
6On what were its foundations set,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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Runningman
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I'll take you not answering my question and getting defensive about it as an acknowledgement that it's a tough question for you. It's ok to have tough questions. I really hope you think about the answer to this one and don't do what the Catholics did by turning Mary into an idol as well.
(Mary is the mother of a human kyrios named Jesus by the way)
You unitarians have really created a Christianity without Christ. That is a miserable view you have of treating Jesus as an idol instead of as the deity he is within the Shema.
