Total Depravity

@Bassnah

Man’s will does still function and we can use our will to choose God if the Holy Spirit enlightens us with the Gospel. However, Calvinism does not believe that even the divine Holy Spirit is strong enough to breech man’s depravity of mind. This author strongly disagrees with such a stance. Man’s depravity is not bigger than God. The Holy Spirit can and does reveal the Truth of the Gospel to our mind via our spirit so that we can make the choice to accept or reject God.

The work of the Holy Spirit in Salvation gives Life, a new spiritual life based upon the finished work of Christ, He regenerates, thats His role in the Salvation purpose. That foolishness you posted here just has the Spirit enlightening a spiritually dead sinner, thats it. Thats selling His role short, its disrespectful to God the Holy Spirit, His Work is Saving Titus 3:5-6

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
 
Everyone born depraved.
The reason I reject Total Depravity, is not because I believe that people can “save themselves” or earn their way into heaven, or do anything good to merit eternal life. I don't believe any thing like that. Instead I reject Total Depravity because I understood what most Calvinists meant when they talked about Total Depravity.

For Calvinists, Total Depravity means way more than just sinfulness.

Here are some quotes on Total Depravity from Calvinists:

Total depravity does not mean that each man is the epitome of the devil. For, as a matter of fact, man does not commit all the sins possible; and those he does commit are not always as bad as possible. Furthermore, we see that he can even perform a certain amount of relative good. … Total depravity means that natural man is never able to do any good that is fundamentally pleasing to God, and, in fact, does evil all the time (Palmer, The Five Points of Calvinism, 12-13).

Human nature has been and is utterly corrupted by sin so that man is totally incapable of doing anything to accomplish his salvation (Rose, TULIP, 2).

When Calvinists speak of man as begin totally depraved, they mean that man’s nature is corrupt, perverse, and sinful throughout (Steele & Thomas, Five Points of Calvinism, 18).

Total Depravity means that unregenerate man is hopelessly enmeshed in sin, bound by Satan with the chords of spiritual death, and wholly disinterested in the things of the Creator (Spencer, TULIP, 36).

To be totally depraved, however, does not mean that a person is as intensively evil as possible, but as extensively evil as possible. It is not that he cannot commit a worse crime; rather, it is that nothing that he does is good. Evil pervades every faculty of his soul and every sphere of his life. He is unable to do a single thing that is good (Palmer, The Five Points of Calvinism, 9).

What total depravity is meant to convey is the idea that sin has affected the whole person down to the very core or root of his or her being (Boice & Ryken, Doctrines of Grace, 71).

By nature we are slaves to sin. This does not mean that the fall has destroyed or eradicated the human will. Fallen man still has all the faculties to make choices. WE still have a mind and a will. The problem is not that we cannot make choices. Natural men make choices all the time. The problem is that, in our fallen condition, we make sinful choices. We make these choices freely. We sin precisely because we want to sin, and we are capable of choosing exactly what we want to choose (Sproul, Grace Unknown, 130).

What of Abraham? Did he not choose God being depraved? And what of Moses and David and so many others in the Old Testament that chose God? Man’s will does function to choose God and that is the way God set it up. There is no one born-again on the earth today that did not use his or her free-will to become that way.

Without free-will, man cannot love God. And we know that God says for us to love Him with all our heart (Matt 22:37). For a man to love God, he must have the freedom to choose or reject Him. Love involves an acceptance of the person being loved, in this case God.
 
@Wilber

The reason I reject Total Depravity, is not because I believe that people can “save themselves” or earn their way into heaven, or do anything good to merit eternal life. I don't believe any thing like that. Instead I reject Total Depravity because I understood what most Calvinists meant when they talked about Total Depravity.

Rejecting Total depravity for any reason is in my opinion rejecting the Gospel of Gods Grace.
 
@Wilber



Rejecting Total depravity for any reason is in my opinion rejecting the Gospel of Gods Grace.
How about the reason that "Total depravity" is not found in the Bible. Your talking about "Another Gospel".
A doctrines of demons, ungodly teachings of Satan.

Lets make plain what the gospel actually is, so that you can clearly see the difference between lies and the truth.

1 John 5 9-13

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God

So, the whole record of God is that if anyone believes on Jesus Christ, he is saved and has eternal life. If you believe this, then you are saved. If you do not believe this, then you are calling God a liar.

Please note this to be the official “record” of God. This is what God would like you to know, as a result of reading the scriptures.
 
Not in a million years, The Gospel is never accepted in a salvation conversion experience with unregenerate, not even possible.
Yes, man is spiritually dead by default. By this, the Bible says that we cannot please God without first believing the gospel. It does not mean that man is incapable of believing the gospel, which is what Calvinism espouses.

In Hebrews 11:6, notice how God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him:

“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

This implies that they are not yet rewarded, until after they diligently seek him. If God has to enable you to “diligently seek him,” then he has already rewarded you with the ability to seek him.

This is clearly a twisted interpretation of this passage, yet this is how Calvinists read all such passages in scripture.
 
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