Ewww. that is more suspicious of thinking of this private revelation they receive. Or some tie their unitarianism to miracles in their lives. Private interpretations are to essentially be rejected unless demonstrated through scholarly examination.no again!.......... I have had conversations with biblical Unitarians and the ones that I have talked to, get their superseding information from the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit, not from the Bible itself. But I do know there are different kinds of Unitarians and I was just asking a few questions to get a conversation started.
I listed a few scriptures as a reference i thought was relevant, i have a friend in another chat forum, that prays to God and God reveals Revelations to him in prayer, i don't do it that way but that's the way he does it and we're like really good friends.
Thomas... My Lord and my God
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Thank you for your time, i am done. The end.
Sorry that you have given up on scriptural correction. When the issues are not clarified by feedback, then the interpretation remains ill-informed.
sure. sleep on it.
haha. The words of scripture are the start of conversation. I see how you are getting confused especially as you introduce chickens, roads, motorcycles, and trucks into the passage.
Forget my previous questions please,
What is important to a Christian, something Jesus and the Apostles took the time to explain or something they never Explained?
when it comes to leaving the deity of Christ unexplained as to how Jesus is not a separate god as if contrary to scripture, it is important to understand beyond the apostles. Knowledge and rationality did not stop there.
Doug Brents
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It is very clearly taught:
Isa 9:6 says that the child that will be the Messiah, the One who is to come will be God.
"For a Child will be born to us, a Son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."
John 1:1-3, 14 says very clearly that Jesus is God, and is the creator of everything that has been created.
Both the NT and the OT agree, that Jesus is God.
Peterlag
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Can you read what I wrote? I said a couple of words from a half statement that says someone called Jesus God. And then you list a verse with 4 words where Jesus is called God and call it a teaching on the trinity.
Nobody ever showed where the trinity is taught in the Bible. What you show are a couple of words from a half statement that says someone called Jesus God and always out of context. Or you show one word that has grammar that you think means it was referring to Jesus being like God. But you have never given a whole teaching on the trinity because there is none. Not in the Old or New Testament. Nowhere.
The only thing necessary to expose the unitarian fallacy is to recognize the deity of Christ. The point about the Trinity only goes into the discussion of how Jesus is deity without that being a polytheistic scenario.
Peterlag
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Why for thousands of years did none of God’s Prophets teach the people about the Trinity? At the latest, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the “central doctrine” of faith? Why? Because it isn’t true.
Jesus did not come to worship the unitarians. He was sent incarnate to die for the sins of humanity. Jesus only spoke of his deity and pre-existence. That is sufficient to quash the unitarian dogma. I'm not sure why so much push is to deny the revelation of Jesus.
360watt
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If Jesus is God..you have a Trinity. Simple as that.
Do you have a scripture in mind that explains what you just said? I don't understand.
Peterlag
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But Jesus is not God, and I think one of the greatest red flags on this outside of Scripture is that the Catholics believe in a Trinity, and they have never been correct about anything that is written in the Bible.
Doug Brents
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Is Isaiah Scripture? Is every word of Scripture completely true and trustworthy all the time? Then just a single reference where it EXPLICITLY calls Jesus God is enough to make it so.
Oh no, that is not just a half statement of someone calling Jesus God, nor is it taken out of context. That entire passage of Isaiah is talking about the Messiah, who He will be, what He will do, etc. And it explicitly calls the Messiah "God". And then Jesus comes along, proves that He is the Messiah, and that means that He fulfills and embodies all the prophecies about Messiah: He IS God!
I see that not only are you ignorant, but willfully blind to the truth presented to you from Scripture. It doesn't take a full chapter or even a paragraph to make a "whole teaching". All it takes is a word or two. You stated above that Isaiah identifies the Messiah (Jesus) as God. Yet you refuse to accept that Jesus is God, even though Scripture states it clearly and explicitly. Bless your little heart.
Peterlag
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There is no Scripture that calls Jesus God. To try to twist a verse to say so you will have to either use a verse from a bad translation,
use a verse that is taken out of context, or not understand how the words were used in the culture they were written in.
Here's an example...
Concerning 1 John 5:7-8 where it has the words "In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth" are words that are not found in any Greek Manuscript before the 15th or 16th century and in no ancient Version. - E. W. Bullinger., A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament: (London: Samuel Bagster & Sons, 1975), p. 11 of Appendix A.
Trinitarians...
You are changing the Scriptures. Or 2 Peter 2:21 says the Bible is not to be privately interpreted. Or why are you denying the words of the Apostles?
Doug Brents
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You already admitted that the passage in Isaiah calls Jesus God. So now you are revising what you said?
First off, I have not referenced 1 John 5:7-8 at all, so I don't know why you are bringing it up. There are enough other passages that are explicit about the deity of Jesus that I don't need 1 John 5.
It is you who is changing and privately interpreting the Scriptures, and denying the words of the Apostles.
It would have been a sin for Jesus to accept Thomas' statement that He is God if He were not God (John 20:28). Yet Jesus was without sin, so He must be God.
Isaiah said that the Messiah would be God. Jesus is the Messiah, so Jesus is God.
I could keep going with passage after passage that you will just ignore.
