Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Runningman]

Once again. Same scenario. Are you subjected to your father?

I was when I decided to be. Jesus will "be made subject" to God. This is something Jesus will receive regardless of of whether or not he agrees or is willing to comply. Paul isn't describing a co-equal relationship between God and Jesus, but rather a relationship of Lord and servant, Sovereign Lord and a subordinate.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You have just revealed you understand that Jesus is independent of God rather than God Himself. Thank you.

Don't assume anything. I ask you about you. Pay attention.

Do you believe your father is the head of you?

 

[Runningman]

A

Ah. You're wrong.

Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

Did you forget this?

I am still waiting for you to prove you know the Bible better than me... look what Jesus said a few verses later...

Question: Was Jesus sent by God with a message?

John 12
16Truly, truly, I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I was when I decided to be. Jesus will "me made subject" to God. This is something Jesus will receive regardless of of whether or not he agrees or is willing to comply. Paul isn't describing a co-equal relationship between God and Jesus, but rather a relationship of Lord and servant.

Decided to be......

So, you have an independent will? This is what you're describing and witnessing in the Son. Right?

 

[praise_yeshua]

A

I am still waiting for you to prove you know the Bible better than me... look what Jesus said a few verses later...

Question: Was Jesus sent by God with a message?

John 12
16Truly, truly, I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

We're back to the "better" conflation you're doing with "greater".

 

[Runningman]

A question to elicit a response. I do that to. You do it too....

The answer Jesus gave didn't exclude Him from being God.

God must be better than Jesus since no one is good except God alone. That you are trying to strip God of His exlusively goodness opens the doors for a lot of heresies. I won't tell you what they are in case you want to use them.

 

[Runningman]

Decided to be......

So, you have an independent will? This is what you're describing and witnessing in the Son. Right?

Jesus does have an independent will like we do, but being made subject to God isn't something anyone can resist, not even Jesus.

 

[praise_yeshua]

God must be better than Jesus since no one is good except God alone. That you are trying to strip God of His exlusively goodness opens the doors for a lot of heresies. I won't tell you what they are in case you want to use them.

No warnings needed. I can handle myself.

You're the one excluding God from being more than you want Him to be.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus does have an independent will like we do, but being made subject to God isn't something anyone can resist, not even Jesus.

I asked if you have an independent will. Do you?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Ah. You're wrong.

Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

Did you forget this?

@Runningman

Bump for a quick and surprising answer....

 

[praise_yeshua]

@Runningman

Bump for a quick and surprising answer....

@Runningman

You're boring me with all this regurgitated unitarian nonsense I've dealt with for year after year.....

I'll jump ahead a little.

There is a Greek word relative to the quality and character (not nature) of the Son. Jesus Christ found within the Scriptures. It is κρείττων

The book of Hebrews is filled with this word. Not greater. BETTER. κρείττων.

So is the Father better than the Son? Jesus Christ? No. Not at all. Equals in Character.

You're not equal in character with much of anything. If you will disparage Jesus Christ like you're doing, you have nothing to provide ANYONE relative to character.

 

[mikesw]

More Scripture won't help you at this point. I've identified your issues and it's a matter of the way you are reading the Bible. I have gathered that you typically view a literal interpretation as something naughty since it seems to always debunk trinitarianism. However, where something seems to help trinitarianism then literal is ok for you.

The issue is you actually just don't believe what you Biblical literally says. Trinitarianism is a later philosophical development. Surely you care about the truth regarding this. Why do you stick with trinitarianism when it isn't what the Bible teaches?

You always fail trying to debunk who God is. Your hyperliterialism refers to your inability to follow nuance of scripture. You hold to a few verses that you use to interpret the whole bible. that is a big big error

 

[mikesw]

Still not getting it I see. Okay let's throw you a life line.

Question 1: was John's water baptism a baptism of repentence?

Acts 19
4Paul explained: “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the One coming after him, that is, in Jesus.”

Question 2: Where is John's water baptism from?

Mattheew 21
25What was the source of John’s baptism? Was it from heaven or from men?”

Question 3: Did Jesus take John's water baptism?

Luke 3
21When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as He was praying, heaven was opened, 22and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”

whoa. you were able to quote some scripture that you have hyper-literalized to a meaning held privately by yourself.

 

[mikesw]

No warnings needed. I can handle myself.

You're the one excluding God from being more than you want Him to be.

that which runningman calls heresies is what scripture shares as truth.

 

[Runningman]

Nothing you have posted "refutes" or in any way disproves that Jesus is God. But keep trying; maybe you can dig deep enough in Hell to reach Heaven.

I understand. Sometimes feelings can make something seem true even when it is not. Scripture is clear to use the written word to make our spiritual decisions with, not our feelings. The revelation in the Bible is already complete and given to us in the plain language we need to know. No guess work required. If the trinity was something the writers wanted people to know about, then they would have plainly talked about it. They didn't talk about it and we are not invited to assume they meant to or were suggesting it.

 

[Runningman]

You always fail trying to debunk who God is. Your hyperliterialism refers to your inability to follow nuance of scripture. You hold to a few verses that you use to interpret the whole bible. that is a big big error

You've been spinning your wheels and getting nowhere for weeks. Show the scripture that says God is three persons in one God or something like that or move on and let people who can actually show who God is in the Bible have some space to do so.

 

[Runningman]

whoa. you were able to quote some scripture that you have hyper-literalized to a meaning held privately by yourself.

Your argument is once again "The Bible doesn't say what the Bible says."

 

[Runningman]

No warnings needed. I can handle myself.

You're the one excluding God from being more than you want Him to be.

The Bible repeatedly says God is one person from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[Runningman]

I asked if you have an independent will. Do you?

"Jesus does have an independent will like we do"

 

[synergy]

So this is your one trick pony that you are going to keep pasting despite all of the proof against your claims I have continued to post? If you're stalling, please take more time to respond with thhoughtful answers rather than the same refuted talking points. You may be clever, but you don't have the stamina or courage to step outside of John 1:1 because you are completely and utterly surrounded on that island.

So you've chosen to remain ignorant of the Greek word "ἐσκήνωσεν" which unlocks what John 1:14 is all about. This is so typical of heretics.

Every verse you've mentioned across the entire Bible does not prove unitarianism in any way once you remove your ignorance of languages, grammar, history, and context. Choose any verse across the entire Bible and I will show you how your view is a result of your ignorance of languages, grammar, history, and/or context.

List of RM's Gaffes:

1. You mistake us for Modalists by falsely accusing us that we do not differentiate between the Word and the God (the Father).
2. Your ignorance of the Greek word ἐσκήνωσεν in John 1:14.
3. You have difficulty understanding the grammatical fact that pronouns implicitly point back to the Primary Subject as their Antecedent.
4. Your categorical mistake when you think that partaking of an item transforms your nature into that item.
5. Your ignorance of the Greek word κοινωνία,
6. Your ignorance of Greek neuter pronouns in 1 John 1.
7. You said that "the Word is not actually God" which flat out contradicts John 1:1c that says "the Word was God".
8. At no time does Jesus ever have to "partake" of divine nature. That's because he is God to begin with (John 1:1c).
9. The REV translates from God only knows which originals when they dreamt up the phrase "what God was the word was".

We're really close to reaching double digits.