Thomas... My Lord and my God
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Peterlag
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Trinity folks on here post John 1:1, 3, 14 and Hebrews 1:8 on every other post. And that even after I respond to it.How many times and in how many threads are you going to post the exact same post?
They post...
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
And then I will post something and they then will post...
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Then I will post...
Hebrews 1:8 is saying your throne oh God is forever. Not Jesus is forever. In Hebrews it's quoted referring to Jesus having the use of that throne.
Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Psalms 45:6
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
And then they will post...
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Peterlag
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There are no parables in the Epistles after the spirit of Christ was given to the Christian for the first time starting with Acts chapter two. You may still be without spirit and need parables but I can assure you I am not.
Doug Brents
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Again, deflecting.
Yes, parables were for Israel, and they are also for everyone reading the Scriptures today. Those who have Spiritual guidance can understand the spiritual things in them; those who don't, can't.
Now, go back and address the rest of what I posted, instead of deflecting into inconsequentials.
Peterlag
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I don't run, dodge, or deflect. I post what I choose to comment on like everyone else and I'm always here so again I'm not running or hiding.
There are many parables in the Epistles and they must be there for a reason. Here is a list of 100 of them.
Luke15:11-32
And he said, “There was a man who had two sons. And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of property that is coming to me.’ And he divided his property between them.Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living. And when he had spent everything, a severe famine arose in that country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. ...
Matthew18:23-35
“Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants. When he began to settle,one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. And since he could not pay, his master ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. So theservant fell on his knees, imploring him, ‘Have patience with me,and I will pay you everything.’ And out of pity for him, the masterof that servant released him and forgave him the debt. ...
Matthew22:1-14
And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son, and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding feast, but they would not come. Again he sent other servants,saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding feast.”’ But they paid no attention and went off, one to his farm, another to his business,...
Doug Brents
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Then reply to the rest of what I said in post #2434.
Peterlag
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Oh I see the problem. No it's not deflecting. What it is... is you broke up my post in little pieces and then commented on each of them using a bunch of Bible verses. What part of these little compartments that you chopped up of what I wrote do you want me to respond to?
Peterlag
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I said there are no parables in the Epistles. And you wrote there are many parables in the Epistles. And then you begin by listing Matthew and Luke which are not the Epistles. The part of the Bible that you have listed are called the gospels and they are for new people (EDIT) who are not yet able to understand that which is spiritual.There are many parables in the Epistles and they must be there for a reason. Here is a list of 100 of them.
Luke15:11-32
And he said, “There was a man who had two sons. And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of property that is coming to me.’ And he divided his property between them.Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living. And when he had spent everything, a severe famine arose in that country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. ...
Matthew18:23-35
“Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants. When he began to settle,one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. And since he could not pay, his master ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. So theservant fell on his knees, imploring him, ‘Have patience with me,and I will pay you everything.’ And out of pity for him, the masterof that servant released him and forgave him the debt. ...
Matthew22:1-14
And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son, and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding feast, but they would not come. Again he sent other servants,saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding feast.”’ But they paid no attention and went off, one to his farm, another to his business,...
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FreeInChrist
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While the " Epistles" don't contain parables in the same way as the "Gospels", they do include teachings and analogies that convey spiritual lessons. While the Apostle Paul rarely quotes Jesus directly, he often uses metaphorical language to illustrate his points, which may. by some, seem to be a parable.
Aaron
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The gospels and epistles are distinct types of writing within the New Testament, serving different purposes. Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are biographical accounts of Jesus' life, focusing on his ministry, teachings, death, and resurrection. Epistles, on the other hand, are letters written by apostles and other early Christian leaders to churches or individuals, primarily addressing theological issues, offering guidance, and providing practical instructions for Christian living.
Doug Brents
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Yes, I broke your statements down into bite-sized pieces so that the error in each portion could be exposed. Respond in kind if you like, or address the whole. But do so in a unique post, rather than your standard cut and paste from some other thread restating the same falsehoods that have been debunked over and over on this forum.
Paul's Use of the Parables
Paul's use of parables is a significant aspect of his apostolic work, as he often referenced Jesus' parables to convey his teachings. Paul's writings frequently include expressions and phrases from Jesus' parables, demonstrating a deep connection between the two. For instance, Paul uses the same word and expression in 2 Thessalonians 3:13 when he writes "do not grow weary in doing good," echoing the theme of perseverance in prayer and good works that Jesus emphasized in Luke 18:1. Paul's use of these parables not only illustrates his adherence to Jesus' teachings but also highlights the importance of spiritual growth and perseverance in the Christian faith.https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=e32c...Y2FsLXZlcnNlcy9wYXJhYmxlcy1vZi1qZXN1cy8&ntb=1
Peterlag
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Parables are for people who cannot understand the simple truth.
Peterlag
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I have everything on the trinity subject already written down. I see no reason to hand type it out just for you since there was nothing in error that I write about concerning the fact that Jesus is not God.
Doug Brents
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And yet, you still miss the truth. smh
And yet, here you still are in opposition to what Scripture says. Try actually replying to the Scripture in post #2434.
Peterlag
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The subject of parables came up here because of what I call one of the "get out of jail free cards."
They use them on me whenever I corner them. Number 3 is the idea the trinity people use when they want to say the trinity is a mystery and not to be understood. It's a huge reason why doctrinal discussions about it are often avoided or brushed aside and ignored. Worse, the teaching that the Trinity is a“mystery” has been used as a club to beat down doubters and dissenters, and those people are often branded as “heretics” and their role in Christianity minimized. My whole point here is there is no trinity and God is not using parables to hide the truth from us.
1.) That was Jesus acting in his human side.
2.) It's a mystery and God is to difficult to understand.
And the new one whenever I ask for Scripture to back up what they said...
3.) God does not need to write the Bible the way you think it should be written.
Peterlag
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My take on "I am" and will be my same take tomorrow and every time you ignore what I post about "I am" and post your own data asking about "I am" my response will still be the same as I post here today and have posted before.
John 8:58 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. At the last super, the disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ. They said literally, "Not I am, Lord" Matthew 26:22, 25. No one would say the disciples were trying to deny they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." "I am" was a common way of designating oneself and it did not mean you were claiming to be God. The argument is made that because Jesus was "before" Abraham, Jesus must be God. Jesus figuratively existed in Abraham's time. He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man. In order for the Trinitarian argument that Jesus' "I am" statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God's "I am" statement in Exodus 3:14. The two statements are very different. The Greek phrase in John does mean "I am." The Hebrew phrase in Exodus means "to be" or "to become." God was saying "I will be what I will be."
Indeed
1 Timothy 6:4
he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,
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