Thomas... My Lord and my God

Yes, it did. God knew all of what was written. Abraham lived some of what was written. Much of the history was passed down from generation to generation through oral tradition before it was written. It did not spring into being just because it was finally written down. That simply preserved it much more securely (in human terms).
The statement I made was about the "Word" in writing. And the "Word in writing" was not around when Abraham walked the earth.

The same is true with the "word" in writing. It had no literal pre-existence as a "spirit-book" somehow in eternity past, but came into being as God gave the revelation to people and they wrote it down.
 
The reason you can't answer is because God is not made out of three parts. The words "God" or "Father" are not parts. They are names.

If...

1.) Jesus is God.

2.) Holy Spirit is God.

3.) What's the third one___________

And don't give me a name or a title and then say I'm blind. Give me the third God.

Your question is flawed. There are not three Gods, but one God who shows Himself in three ways.
Jesus is God
The Holy Spirit is God
The Father is God
Holy Spirit is a title, not a name.
Father is a title, not a name.
Jesus is the only name we have for God, but it is only the name by which we know the man whom God became. It is NOT the name of God.
 
The statement I made was about the "Word" in writing. And the "Word in writing" was not around when Abraham walked the earth.
Ahh, that is a whole other concept. Correct, the Word in writing was not around before Moses started putting pen to paper. But that does not mean that the knowledge, wisdom, information, and good news within the Word did not exist before then. You are using this example of the Word not being real before it was put to paper to show that Jesus was not real before He became flesh. But the flaw in that analogy is that both of them did exist before they became physical. And so your whole foundation is flawed.
 
The reason you can't answer is because God is not made out of three parts. The words "God" or "Father" are not parts. They are names.

If...

1.) Jesus is God.

2.) Holy Spirit is God.

3.) What's the third one___________

And don't give me a name or a title and then say I'm blind. Give me the third God.

Dear Peter

How many individuals are described in these words of the Lord Jesus Christ - John 14:15-18

If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
 
Your question is flawed. There are not three Gods, but one God who shows Himself in three ways.
Jesus is God
The Holy Spirit is God
The Father is God
Holy Spirit is a title, not a name.
Father is a title, not a name.
Jesus is the only name we have for God, but it is only the name by which we know the man whom God became. It is NOT the name of God.
Lord Jesus Christ is the Name of God = for THEY are THREE and THEY are ONE
 
Dear Peter

How many individuals are described in these words of the Lord Jesus Christ - John 14:15-18

If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
He says something else too .
ME and MY FATHER shall make our abode on that man .
JESUS identififes himself as the comforter , I WILL COME TO YOU
and later says ME AND MY FATHER shall make our abode on that man .
I SEE THREE , AND YET I SEE ONE . BUT then DIDNT JOHN
say for there are THREE IN HEAVEN , FATHER , WORD , HOLY SPIRIT and these three are ONE .
 
I have given them
i have made manifest
YOUR NAME . JESUS says that .
MOSES heard THE NAME I AM
JESUS MADE THE NAME SEEN .
if you have seen ME phillip then YOU have SEEN the FATHER .
BINGO

Come,
לְ֭כוּ (lə·ḵū)
Verb - Qal - Imperative - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 1980: 1) to go, walk, come 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to go, walk, come, depart, proceed, move, go away 1a2) to die, live, manner of life (fig.) 1b) (Piel) 1b1) to walk 1b2) to walk (fig.) 1c) (Hithpael) 1c1) to traverse 1c2) to walk about 1d) (Niphal) to lead, bring, lead away, carry, cause to walk

let us sing for joy
נְרַנְּנָ֣ה (nə·ran·nə·nāh)
Verb - Piel - Imperfect Cohortative - first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 7442: 1) to overcome 1a) (Hithpolel) to be overcome 2) to cry out, shout for joy, give a ringing cry 2a) (Qal) 2a1) to give a ringing cry (in joy, exaltation, distress) 2a2) to cry aloud (in summons, exhortation of wisdom) 2b) (Piel) to give a ringing cry (in joy, exultation, praise 2c) (Pual) ringing cry, singing out (passive) 2d) (Hiphil) to cause to ring or sing out (for joy) 2e) (Hithpolel) rejoicing (participle)

to the LORD;
לַיהוָ֑ה (Yah·weh)
Preposition-l | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: Jehovah = 'the existing One' 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H0136

let us shout
נָ֝רִ֗יעָה (nā·rî·‘āh)
Verb - Hifil - Imperfect Cohortative - first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 7321: 1) to shout, raise a sound, cry out, give a blast 1a) (Hiphil) 1a1) to shout a war-cry or alarm of battle 1a2) to sound a signal for war or march 1a3) to shout in triumph (over enemies) 1a4) to shout in applause 1a5) to shout (with religious impulse) 1a6) to cry out in distress 1b) (Polal) to utter a shout 1c) (Hithpolel) 1c1) to shout in triumph 1c2) to shout for joy 2) (Niphal) destroyed

to the rock
לְצ֣וּר (lə·ṣūr)
Preposition-l | Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 6697: 1) rock, cliff 1a) rocky wall, cliff 1b) rock (with flat surface) 1c) block of stone, boulder 1d) rock (specific) 1e) rock (of God) 1f) rock (of heathen gods) n pr dei 1g) Rock

of our salvation !
יִשְׁעֵֽנוּ׃ (yiš·‘ê·nū)

Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 3468: 1) deliverance, salvation, rescue, safety, welfare 1a) safety, welfare, prosperity 1b) salvation 1c) victory
 
I'm curious why the Trinitarian religious leaders think this applies to everyone else but them? Why do the Trinitarian religious leaders believe the doctrine of devils (Ephesians 6:12 and 1 Timothy 4:1-2) applies to everyone who disagrees with them but not them? For too long Trinitarians controlled false Christianity with an iron fist suppressing and oppressing all who would dare challenge and oppose them.

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my question is seeing you realize the dangers in these popes
WHY do many follow interfaith which i KNOW is of anti christ
and it dont seem to matter what one beleives
whether trinity or not
THEY SEEM , most of them anyway , to be going right into the big kuymbia love call
What says you about Trumps intefaith finding common ground
And do we realize yet HE DOES the work of the progressive liberal think tank and its vatican
cause TRUMP didnt invent it . THE popes and men did that . IT came TO TRUMP
not from trump . so i am curious as to how many now believe
as a lot of christendom
that GOD is okay with all religoins , just lovey do and find common ground junk .
 
Peterlag said:

If Jesus is not God, would treating him as God be considered IDOLATRY?​


Yes, it would be. But there is a multitude of times when He is worshiped - and yet not one time, does He reprove or rebuke the person or persons doing the worshiping - like Peter did - Acts 10:25-26

"When Peter entered, Cornelius met him, and fell at his feet and worshiped him. But Peter raised him up, saying, 'Stand up; I too am a man.' "

Or like the angel did in Revelation 19:10:

"Then I (John) fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, 'Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God.' ..."

Or the angel in Revelation 22:8-9:

"And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, 'Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.' "

In fact, on occasion, Jesus would actually encourage people to worship Him:

Luke 18:17-18 "Then Jesus answered and said, 'Were there not ten cleansed? But the nine - where are they? Was no one found who returned to give glory to God, except this foreigner?

Let's look at how this foreigner gave glory to God:

Verse 15-16: "Now one of them, when he saw that he had been healed, turned back, glorifying God with a loud voice, and he fell on his face at His feet, giving thanks to Him."

He fell at Jesus feet, giving thanks to Him, and glorifying God.

In His triumphal entry, the crowds were worshiping Him, shouting "Hosanna to the Son of David!" The Pharisees asked Jesus to rebuke them but what was His response? "I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!" Then He quotes a Psalm: "Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babies, you have prepared praise for Yourself."

So to worship Jesus - is to worship God!

So the undeniable takeaway from these passages: Jesus is claiming to be worthy of worship, which is reserved ONLY for God. Therefore He is claiming to be God.
 
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Wow. Now he shares a lack of understanding of prophecy and a misapplication of the passage by applying it to true Christians. Not surprising that Peterlag has continued to demonstrate his errors of interpretation.
This type of comment against Christ is what I cautioned Pancho Frijoles about.
It is the spirit of antiChrist.
 
my question is seeing you realize the dangers in these popes
WHY do many follow interfaith which i KNOW is of anti christ
and it dont seem to matter what one beleives
whether trinity or not
THEY SEEM , most of them anyway , to be going right into the big kuymbia love call
What says you about Trumps intefaith finding common ground
And do we realize yet HE DOES the work of the progressive liberal think tank and its vatican
cause TRUMP didnt invent it . THE popes and men did that . IT came TO TRUMP
not from trump . so i am curious as to how many now believe
as a lot of christendom
that GOD is okay with all religoins , just lovey do and find common ground junk .
So tell us what is you denomination? do you have a a recognized autonomous branch of the Christian Church. Where do you attend Church? Please teel us so we can into act with you better.

Interfaith means involving persons of different religious faiths. It describes an interaction between people of different religions or faith traditions, and is about understanding our significant differences, but also recognizing our similarities
 
Simple = because the 7th Day speaks of Christ
How so... by the reference to rest . I had thought that was because Moses wrote Gen 2, at least, after getting the
10 commandments?
 
How so... by the reference to rest . I had thought that was because Moses wrote Gen 2, at least, after getting the
10 commandments?
God rested on the 7th day = Why?

Have you not known? Have you not heard?
The everlasting God, the LORD, The Creator of the ends of the earth, Neither faints nor is weary.
His understanding is unsearchable. - Isaiah 40:28

There is a CONTRADICTION here......UNLESS.....we understand that the "VOLUME of the BOOK is about MESSIAH

Hebrews 10:5-7
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Why did God rest on the 7th day?

Why did God then command this = Exodus 31:12-17

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.
You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you.
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death;
for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord.
Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. (2x spoken)

Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations
as a perpetual covenant.
It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth,
and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ” = 3x Spoken

How was God refreshed???
 
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God rested on the 7th day = Why?

Have you not known? Have you not heard?
The everlasting God, the LORD, The Creator of the ends of the earth, Neither faints nor is weary.
His understanding is unsearchable. - Isaiah 40:28

There is a CONTRADICTION here......UNLESS.....we understand that the "VOLUME of the BOOK is about MESSIAH

Hebrews 10:5-7
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Why did God rest on the 7th day?

Why did God then command this = Exodus 31:12-17

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.
You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you.
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death;
for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord.
Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. (2x spoken)

Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations
as a perpetual covenant.
It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth,
and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ” = 3x Spoken

How was God refreshed???
Thank you, Well explained.
 
my question is seeing you realize the dangers in these popes
WHY do many follow interfaith which i KNOW is of anti christ
and it dont seem to matter what one beleives
whether trinity or not
THEY SEEM , most of them anyway , to be going right into the big kuymbia love call
What says you about Trumps intefaith finding common ground
And do we realize yet HE DOES the work of the progressive liberal think tank and its vatican
cause TRUMP didnt invent it . THE popes and men did that . IT came TO TRUMP
not from trump . so i am curious as to how many now believe
as a lot of christendom
that GOD is okay with all religoins , just lovey do and find common ground junk .
I don't follow what you're saying but I did pick up a few key words like the Pope and Trump.

I think to qualify to be a Pope one must be born again of the seed of the Devil.
I think Trump is the best we have ever had in the White House in the last 100 years if not the best ever.
 
Dear Peter

How many individuals are described in these words of the Lord Jesus Christ - John 14:15-18

If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Two.
1.) Jesus with the commandments.
2.) Father which is another name for God.
 
Ahh, that is a whole other concept. Correct, the Word in writing was not around before Moses started putting pen to paper. But that does not mean that the knowledge, wisdom, information, and good news within the Word did not exist before then. You are using this example of the Word not being real before it was put to paper to show that Jesus was not real before He became flesh. But the flaw in that analogy is that both of them did exist before they became physical. And so your whole foundation is flawed.
Only you are saying that the knowledge, wisdom, information, and good news within the Word did exist before Genesis.

I'm saying the "Word in writing" was not around when Abraham walked the earth.

If we understand that the logos is God's expression... His plan, purpose, reason and wisdom. Then it is clear they were with Him "in the beginning." Scripture says God's wisdom was "from the beginning" and it was common in Hebrew writing to personify a concept such as wisdom. The fact that the logos "became" flesh shows it did not exist that way before. There is no pre-existence for Jesus in this verse other than his figurative "existence" as the plan, purpose or wisdom of God for the salvation of man. The same is true with the "word" in writing. It had no literal pre-existence as a "spirit-book" somehow in eternity past, but came into being as God gave the revelation to people and they wrote it down.
 
Your question is flawed. There are not three Gods, but one God who shows Himself in three ways.
Jesus is God
The Holy Spirit is God
The Father is God
Holy Spirit is a title, not a name.
Father is a title, not a name.
Jesus is the only name we have for God, but it is only the name by which we know the man whom God became. It is NOT the name of God.

What are the 3 way or 3 parts? Keep in mind the words "God" and "Father" are not parts. They are names.

If...

1.) Jesus is God.

2.) Holy Spirit is God.

3.) What's the third one___________

And don't give me a name or a title and then say I'm blind. Give me the third God.

 
Thank you, Well explained.
Then Moses said to the Lord, “See, You say to me, ‘Bring up this people.’ But You have not let me know whom You will send with me. Yet You have said, ‘I know you by name, and you have also found grace in My sight.’ 13Now therefore, I pray, if I have found grace in Your sight, show me now Your way, that I may know You and that I may find grace in Your sight. And consider that this nation is Your people.”

And the Lord said, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”

Where else have we heard this same proclamation???


Matthew 11:28
At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you Rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find Rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”


Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His Rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it

Please "refresh" with Hebrews chapter 4
 
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