Thomas... My Lord and my God

Fred said:
Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
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Get back to John 10:33.
Why would they want to stone Jesus if He was simply claiming He was a god since others were referred to as such?
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Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
 
Peterlag said:
I do not go to church that's why I know how to read the Bible correctly.
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" ... and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds; not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near." Hebrews 10:24-25

Your particular doctrine means nothing, if you don't obey the word, and assemble with other believers on a regular basis.
 
dwight92070 said:
" ... and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds; not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near." Hebrews 10:24-25

Your particular doctrine means nothing, if you don't obey the word, and assemble with other believers on a regular basis.
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The truth can be seen in this that you wrote my friend .
But reader , all women , all men and any who breathes air
KNOW THIS , sheep dont sit under false men who preach dead doctrine
and refuse to repent of their error .
SO while i agree with ya that true beleivers do gather
ITS TRUE BELIEVERS gathering with OTHER TRUE BELIEVERS .
not lovers of sin who use his name to do much damage and hide their own sins .
JESUS DONT HOLD RAINBOWS of any sin .
And JESUS dont condmen the true men who actually DO warn ANY brother or sister IN ANY SIN
to cease that SIN or the support of ANY said sin . REAL angry WAS HE
witih a church who was doing exactly what many now today do , yet call love and being loving .
THEY WONT name false leaders , they wont expose false doctrine
THEY JUST hug and say ALL is well , lets just find common ground . I DONT GATHER with anti christ
nor should any who names the name of JESUS the CHRIST . but thanks for the reminder you gave
about good fellowship .
 
There is not one verse that says Jesus is not God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. A teaching... a whole paragraph or chapter. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor did anyone in the New Testament ever teach it. Unitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking. This is why they cannot present one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is not God.
 
Peterlag said:
Get back to John 10:33.
Why would they want to stone Jesus if He was simply claiming He was a god since others were referred to as such?
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Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
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Jesus affirmed He was the Son of Man to them at the trial.
You should know that the Son of Man receives worship that only God is to receive (Dan. 7:14).
 
Fred said:
Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
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Jesus affirmed He was the Son of Man to them at the trial.
You should know that the Son of Man receives worship that only God is to receive (Dan. 7:14).
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I heard it mentioned recently that the designation as Son of Man reflects the divinity of Christ even more than Son of God. We see with the High Priest's response the recognition of Christ's divinity. Then Dan 7:13-14 speaks of one like a Son of Man but situated with the Ancient of Days. I will momentarily diverge from Trinitarian doctrine to tease the idea that this means Jesus was not quite human but was like human. Of course, the testimony of scripture is his humanness and that he can be described reasonably as a man among the people. (I hope this approach is not too misunderstood.)

The idea of being like a Son of Man seems as a basis for the fourth gospel to say "the Word became flesh."
 
Tothalordbeallglory said:
The truth can be seen in this that you wrote my friend .
But reader , all women , all men and any who breathes air
KNOW THIS , sheep dont sit under false men who preach dead doctrine
and refuse to repent of their error .
SO while i agree with ya that true beleivers do gather
ITS TRUE BELIEVERS gathering with OTHER TRUE BELIEVERS .
not lovers of sin who use his name to do much damage and hide their own sins .
JESUS DONT HOLD RAINBOWS of any sin .
And JESUS dont condmen the true men who actually DO warn ANY brother or sister IN ANY SIN
to cease that SIN or the support of ANY said sin . REAL angry WAS HE
witih a church who was doing exactly what many now today do , yet call love and being loving .
THEY WONT name false leaders , they wont expose false doctrine
THEY JUST hug and say ALL is well , lets just find common ground . I DONT GATHER with anti christ
nor should any who names the name of JESUS the CHRIST . but thanks for the reminder you gave
about good fellowship .
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@Tothalordbeallglory
“Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10‬:‭21‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
Fred said:
Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
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Jesus affirmed He was the Son of Man to them at the trial.
You should know that the Son of Man receives worship that only God is to receive (Dan. 7:14).
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make sure he reads verse thirteen first so as he sees this .
 
Marvelloustime said:
@Tothalordbeallglory
“Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10‬:‭21‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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Thus the sheep wont be drinking of the cup of devils , of that which is of anti christ , of the harlot
They NO Sipping at the table of interdeath or in their words interfaith .
But it be only ENTER DEATH . cause all who loved and made a lie will face THE SECOND DEATH .
 
mikesw said:
I heard it mentioned recently that the designation as Son of Man reflects the divinity of Christ even more than Son of God. We see with the High Priest's response the recognition of Christ's divinity. Then Dan 7:13-14 speaks of one like a Son of Man but situated with the Ancient of Days. I will momentarily diverge from Trinitarian doctrine to tease the idea that this means Jesus was not quite human but was like human. Of course, the testimony of scripture is his humanness and that he can be described reasonably as a man among the people. (I hope this approach is not too misunderstood.)

The idea of being like a Son of Man seems as a basis for the fourth gospel to say "the Word became flesh."
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And it sure DO say that too .
seems to me many had rather beleive this fifth gospel of which men do add and twist things .
But man that reminder is a long one . cause many sure seem to love the doctrines and precepts of men
RATHER THAN the WORD and words OF GOD ALL MIGHTY . and that my friend is SUPER deadly for them at their end .
 
Tothalordbeallglory said:
Jesus affirmed He was the Son of Man to them at the trial.
You should know that the Son of Man receives worship that only God is to receive (Dan. 7:14).
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make sure he reads verse thirteen first so as he sees this .
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@Tothalordbeallglory
“And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
Tothalordbeallglory said:
Let the glorious LORD be praised . Feasting time is a sneaking up my dear sister .
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Yes it is my dear brother. Another fast day starts drawing to a close in Sisterville. I have a fella collecting the Bakers dog food at 7.30pm/1.30pm. As soon as the coast is clear, then it will be ring a ding ding. Let the glorious Lord be praised.
 
Fred said:
Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
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Jesus affirmed He was the Son of Man to them at the trial.
You should know that the Son of Man receives worship that only God is to receive (Dan. 7:14).
[/QUOTE]

You should not mix the two covenants together. The New Testament is different because in the New Testament we have...

John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
 
dwight92070 said:
" ... and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds; not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near." Hebrews 10:24-25

Your particular doctrine means nothing, if you don't obey the word, and assemble with other believers on a regular basis.
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There are no believers in church. Only trinity people.
 
Peterlag said:
I have noticed we graduate from all the other subjects be it accounting, mechanics or dentistry.

We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace. Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix a tooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?

What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...

1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.

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What are the attributes and characteristics of the Word that God
 
John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.




Which proves the Son is God. For "honor" is one of His attributes in equality with the Father (Rev. 5:13).
 
Fred said:
John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.




Which proves the Son is God. For "honor" is one of His attributes in equality with the Father (Rev. 5:13).
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What it proves is that the son also should be honored even as God is honored.
 

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