The Water Baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13

[Doug Brents]

Of course it is.

Being filled with the Spirit means “filled” with the Spirit; your spirit is filled with the Spirit.

Endued with power within your spirit, to do the works that Jesus did.


Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.” Luke 24:49

If that were true, then those in the OT were also indwelt by the Spirit, but we know from John 7:39 that the indwelling of the Spirit did not happen at ANY time in the OT. The Spirit did not indwell anyone until after Jesus was glorified in resurrection from the dead.
All of those people in the OT (and many more besides) were empowered by the Spirit, but not a single one of them was indwelt by the Spirit. This means that the Holy Spirit does not need to indwell someone in order for Him to empower them.

Luke 24:49 says nothing about them being indwelt (they already had the indwelling since John 20:22). All the Apostles received on Pentecost was "power from on high."

 

[JLB]

hat were true, then those in the OT were also indwelt by the Spirit, but we know from John 7:39 that the indwelling of the Spirit did not happen at ANY time in the OT.

That’s funny.

But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. John 7:39


This is a reference to the baptism with the Spirit on the day of Pentecost.

Where the disciples were endued with power.


All the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit of Christ within them.


All the people you yourself mentioned were filled with the Holy Spirit.


That means their spirit was filled with the Spirit of God.

 

[Doug Brents]

That’s funny.

But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. John 7:39

This is a reference to the baptism with the Spirit on the day of Pentecost.
Where the disciples were endued with power.
All the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit of Christ within them.
All the people you yourself mentioned were filled with the Holy Spirit.
That means their spirit was filled with the Spirit of God.

John 7:39 says that the Spirit had not yet been given, but all of those people from the OT had the Spirit. This means that the manifestation of the Spirit that they had was not the same as what was to be given after Jesus was glorified.
It is clear that they had wisdom imparted, miraculous gifts imparted, and knowledge imparted. so these cannot be what had not been given until Jesus was glorified. The only other manifestation of the Spirit that they in the OT did not have was the indwelling of the Spirit. That is what had not yet been given. And that is what was given in John 20:22.

The baptism of the Spirit on Pentecost resulted in them receiving miraculous empowerment (speaking in tongues (Acts 2:4)). They already had the indwelling of the Spirit (John 20:22), so that is not what they received on Pentecost.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

52 pages. Has it been resolved that 1 cor 12 is not water baptism?

 

[dwight92070]

"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews of Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one spirit."

If this was referring to water baptism, then it would be true that water baptism, being the point at which we enter into the body of Christ, would be necessary for salvation - in fact it would be the very point of salvation.

However, how many of us know beyond all doubt that we were born again - saved BEFORE we were baptized in water? For me, water baptism was about 2 weeks later. I was saved by reading the words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, specifically when I came to Matthew 5:6. I knew Jesus was telling me that my spiritual hunger and thirst for meaning in life, which started at least one or two months before reading this - was being satisfied right then. I knew at that moment that I was saved - born again - both terms that I had heard growing up in a Baptist church, but never knew whether I had experienced that or not, until that day in September 1970 in my Air Force barracks at Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas.

So I was saved or born again by reading the words of Jesus and believing them and knowing that whatever Jesus would say after Matthew 5:6 (because I had NEVER read through the New Testament before, and I was 21 years old, but now I had started to read the entire New Testament) I knew that WHATEVER HE SAID would be true and that I was going to believe it.

This totally affirms Peter's words in 1 Peter 1:23:
"for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God."

Did you catch that? I was born again through the words of Jesus - NOT BY WATER BAPTISM, which happened two weeks later. We do not enter into the body of Christ through water baptism. In fact, we must be in the body of Christ before we even consider being baptized in water.

Therefore, the verse in 1 Peter affirms that 1 Corinthians 12:13 is NOT speaking of water baptism, but of being saved, being born again. Peter plainly says that we are born again by (our faith in) the word of God, (spoken by Jesus - nothing else). Galatians 3:27 uses the same terminology for the new birth, as does Romans 6:3.

 

[Doug Brents]

52 pages. Has it been resolved that 1 cor 12 is not water baptism?

Most assuredly and absolutely, 1 Cor 12 :13 is talking about water baptism.

"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews of Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one spirit."

If this was referring to water baptism, then it would be true that water baptism, being the point at which we enter into the body of Christ, would be necessary for salvation - in fact it would be the very point of salvation.

You are absolutely correct: it is.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Most assuredly and absolutely, 1 Cor 12 :13 is talking about water baptism.

actually no it is no. No water is involved. Water can not put you into the body of Christ. Only God can

You are absolutely correct: it is.

lol. Here we go folks. this person put water baptism over Christ.. as the point of salvation.

RUN!!

 

[mailmandan]

actually no it is no. No water is involved. Water can not put you into the body of Christ. Only God can

lol. Here we go folks. this person put water baptism over Christ.. as the point of salvation.

RUN!!

Amen! 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 in regard to drink. Clearly a reference to living water and the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13 is clearly not water baptism. Only those with a biased view would believe otherwise.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Amen! 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 in regard to drink. Clearly a reference to living water and the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13 is clearly not water baptism. Only those with a biased view would believe otherwise.

it even says, For by one spirit (the spirit is the one doing the baptizing)
It boggles my mind

 

[Doug Brents]

lol. Here we go folks. this person put water baptism over Christ.. as the point of salvation.

Wrong. I did not put water over Christ. But yes, water immersion (baptism) is the point in time at which the Holy Spirit uses the power of the blood of Christ to remove our sins and add us to the Church as we are told He does in Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, 1 Pet 3:21, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 5:26-27, 1 Cor 12:13, and Acts 22:16.

 

[Doug Brents]

Amen! 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 in regard to drink. Clearly a reference to living water and the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13 is clearly not water baptism. Only those with a biased view would believe otherwise.

it even says, For by one spirit (the spirit is the one doing the baptizing)
It boggles my mind

Yes, the Spirit is the one doing the work of saving us. But this verse does not tell us when He does so; the verses in post #1030 do.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Wrong. I did not put water over Christ. But yes, water immersion (baptism) is the point in time at which the Holy Spirit uses the power of the blood of Christ to remove our sins and add us to the Church as we are told He does in Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, 1 Pet 3:21, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 5:26-27, 1 Cor 12:13, and Acts 22:16.

You put water over christ.

Deny it all you want. its there for all to see.

I was baptized into christ by God himself

You were baptized in water by another sinner (whether he was saved or not I do not even know)

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes, the Spirit is the one doing the work of saving us. But this verse does not tell us when He does so; the verses in post #1030 do.

FOR BY ONE SPIRIT WE WERE BAPTIZED.

Next.....

 

[Doug Brents]

You put water over christ.

No. He put water as the point of entry into His Kingdom (John 3:5).

I was baptized into christ by God himself

You were baptized in water by another sinner (whether he was saved or not I do not even know)

Both of these statements are absolutely correct, but only half truths when kept separate.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

No. He put water as the point of entry into His Kingdom (John 3:5).

No.

He put the spirit as entry into the kingdom. The water of John 5 is physical birth

Both of these statements are absolutely correct, but only half truths when kept separate.

There is one baptism. Not 2, which saved.

You can't have it both ways, Either you were baptized into water as obedience to Gods commands. or you were baptized into the body, Death, burial and Christ himself, by the spirit,.

Only one of these saves

 

[Doug Brents]

No.

He put the spirit as entry into the kingdom. The water of John 5 is physical birth

Obviously you haven't read this whole thread, because I demonstrated that it is not about 20 or 30 pages ago.
"Jesus responded..., “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3
"Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." John 3:5
These two verses are almost identical, the only difference is that Jesus divides "born again" into "born of water and the Spirit". These terms then are synonymous, and refer to the same thing. Being born of water and the Spirit is being born again (reborn, not natural birth).

There is one baptism. Not 2, which saved.

You can't have it both ways, Either you were baptized into water as obedience to Gods commands. or you were baptized into the body, Death, burial and Christ himself, by the spirit,.

Only one of these saves

Both of them are the same event. The Spirit unites us to the body, death, burial, and resurrection of Christ when we are immersed in water, as the verses noted in post #1030 state.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Obviously you haven't read this whole thread, because I demonstrated that it is not about 20 or 30 pages ago.
"Jesus responded..., “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3
"Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." John 3:5
These two verses are almost identical, the only difference is that Jesus divides "born again" into "born of water and the Spirit". These terms then are synonymous, and refer to the same thing. Being born of water and the Spirit is being born again (reborn, not natural birth).

I refutes this thinking years ago

When nicodemus asked Jesus how is this so

No mention of baptism because baptism is not in context

Both of them are the same event. The Spirit unites us to the body, death, burial, and resurrection of Christ when we are immersed in water, as the verses noted in post #1030 state.

Nope again one faith one lord one baptism

I was baptized into
Christ. Not baptized in water in Christ. Water is not found

 

[Doug Brents]

I refutes this thinking years ago

When nicodemus asked Jesus how is this so

No mention of baptism because baptism is not in context

Your opinion is noted, but contradicts Scripture and so is ignored.

Nope again one faith one lord one baptism

I was baptized into
Christ. Not baptized in water in Christ. Water is not found

Baptism into Christ denotes entering into Christ's body/bride/the Church. And this happens when we are immersed in water where the Spirit:
1. cuts our sin from us and unites us with the resurrection of Jesus (Col 2:11-14),
2. cloths us with Christ (Gal 3:26-27)
3. washes us clean an makes us spotless (Eph 5:26-27)
4. causes us to die to sin and unites us with Jesus' death and resurrection (Rom 6:1-7)
5. washes our sins away (Acts 22:16)
6. gives us a clean conscience (1 Pet 3:21)
7. unites us with the body of Christ (the Church).
Just one baptism in which many things occur.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Your opinion is noted, but contradicts Scripture and so is ignored.

lol. now this makes me laugh

Baptism into Christ denotes entering into Christ's body/bride/the Church. And this happens when we are immersed in water where the Spirit:
1. cuts our sin from us and unites us with the resurrection of Jesus (Col 2:11-14),
2. cloths us with Christ (Gal 3:26-27)
3. washes us clean an makes us spotless (Eph 5:26-27)
4. causes us to die to sin and unites us with Jesus' death and resurrection (Rom 6:1-7)
5. washes our sins away (Acts 22:16)
6. gives us a clean conscience (1 Pet 3:21)
7. unites us with the body of Christ (the Church).
Just one baptism in which many things occur.

Yeah good luick with this

water baptism no more saved in the NT that circumcision did in old

 

[dwight92070]

Most assuredly and absolutely, 1 Cor 12 :13 is talking about water baptism.

You are absolutely correct: it is.

Notice I said "IF this was referring to water baptism". But of course, it is NOT referring to water baptism because water baptism is NOT the point at which we enter into the body of Christ. And of course I went on to demonstrate that I was saved/born again - and thereby put into the body of Christ - about 2 weeks BEFORE I was baptized.