actually alot of verses say things about salvation. In fact. Jesus told us before he even sent the apostles out about the gospel of repentance for remission of sin that was to be preached in his name.
That's my point.
actually no
"But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,"
I have never said anything about two separate steps chronologically separated; that is your fabrication.
No, I put it in its proper place: before salvation is received, along with repentance (Acts 3:19), and baptism (Acts 2:38, 1 Pet 3:21, etc.).
No Dan, I am not being dishonest about Acts 10 at all. You want to make the coming of the Holy Spirit on the Gentiles there an act of salvation. But there is NOTHING in the context of Acts 10 or 11 that indicates the salvation of the Gentiles when the Spirit fell on them in power; NOTHING! You insert salvation there, contrary to Scripture, so that it will fit your personal bias.
Granted, but it does not mean that they are saved before they confess. That is part of your problem: you want to put ALL actions BEFORE salvation is received, but Scripture does not agree with you.
Again, that is your personal bias talking. There is NOTHING in that passage that says, or even hints, that they were saved when the Spirit fell on them in power.
No. I understand that "Spirit baptism" is received in water baptism, and the falling of the Spirit on the Gentiles and on Pentecost had NOTHING to do with salvation for either group.
No, they are under water when they receive Christ.
Nope, that is not problematic for me. You confessed Jesus on Saturday, but were saved on Sunday when your sins were washed away in baptism. I am very happy for you that you were saved. But don't confuse your personal feelings with the actions of God.
Absolutely correct.
Precisely, through their hands (which are their mouth: their tool for speaking).
Never said it was a "work for salvation". It is a work of faith which leads to/results in receiving salvation.
You still think that just because one verse (or even 213 verses) only mention "belief" that a thought (even one held in the heart) is the only thing that is required. But Scripture disagrees with this reasoning.
smh, no, they do not prove anything to us. But they do to God.
So you are saying that the walls of Jericho fell down, and then the nation marched around them?
lol. Here you go with your works based self righteous stuff again.
I see. God needs proof. He is so inept he has no capacity to know who has real faith and who does not.
yawn.
Nope, Jesus based righteousness, received as God commanded.
You are right, half of them are not about baptism, but EVERY SINGLE ONE of those passages is about being saved.
God demands that we have a living, active faith. And as He tells us, faith without action is dead. Actions are the soul of faith, and as the body without the soul is dead, so too faith without action is dead (James 2:26).
Naaman was not an Israelite.
Repentance is a change of mind and the new direction of that change of mind is faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Two sides to the same coin. Confession is a confirmation of faith and water baptism is an act of obedience which follows salvation through faith so it is a fruit of faith along with further acts of obedience/works which also follow and are produced out of faith.
Yep. believe on the name of Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.
Um no. Rom 6 is not only not about water baptism, but it is not about how to get saved, it is what happened to us, that saved us.
Then you better do alot more than just be baptized in water..
shacking my head.
You have mentioned only one thing here: Repentance. What is the other side of this supposed coin?
Not according to Scripture.
What happened next?
What does the word translated "believe" here mean? And what does John 3:36 say?
Nope, water baptism is passive. You are immersed, you do not immerse yourself (Acts 2:38). It is the teacher who is commanded to immerse the student (Matt 28:19)
Certainly. After we receive salvation initially, we must be continually washed in the blood of Christ (as He says that we are) as long as we walk in the Light. This is a continual growing closer to Him, and deeper roots in His Word.
It is very sad that you will not hear the truth. But that is your choice. I can only lay the truth before you, I cannot make you believe it.
it does not matter, they were saved. And they started to Obey Gods commands..
Faith pistis, to have faith, to trust, to be assured of.
No. You have to go to be baptized. Your not baptized where you stand.
So you do not believe in eternal security I see.
I heard the truth 40 years ago. You have no truth, or at best only partial truth
You still don't understand that the word of faith is in our mouth and heart TOGETHER and that confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together and that confession is an expression and confirmation of faith and not a work for salvation.
Your 4 step check list plan of salvation places 4 steps in order. 1. Believe 2. Repent 3. Confess 4. Be baptized and until all 4 steps are complete the person is still lost according to your plan. Baptism does not happen simultaneously with the other 3 steps. Your biased interpretation of Romans 10:8-10 remains problematic with salvation by water baptism.
Excluding water baptism. Faith in Jesus Christ (implied in repentance) brings remission of sins. (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 26:18) Not the removal of dirt from the flesh but the answer of a good conscious toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Read it all. Stop isolating pet verses and building doctrine only on the parts you want to hear then ignoring the rest. That's called flawed hermeneutics.
You are being dishonest. Compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)
You are still trying to turn confession into a work for salvation that follows believing unto righteousness when they are both chronologically together. Unlike water baptism which follows. Scripture does not agree with your believes unto righteousness, but still lost, confession is made unto salvation, but still lost, water baptized then finally saved check list.
Only someone who is still blind could make such a ludicrous statement.
Absolutely false. Blind as a bat.
Your false gospel is dead in the water. I received Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit when I believed the gospel prior to receiving water baptism and so has every Christian I know.
My sins were washed away by the blood of Christ and I received the gift of the Holy Spirit when I believed the gospel on that Saturday night (Acts 10:43-47;; Acts 11:17; 15:7-9; 26:18) prior to receiving water baptism the next morning and I knew without a doubt that I had become born again. (Romans 8:16; 1 John 5:13) Praise God!
This wasn't simply about feelings. The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are children of God.Expression, confirmation of faith.
A distinction without a difference.
I doubt he will ever understand.. We are saved by Grace through faith. not of works.You still don't understand that the word of faith is in our mouth and heart TOGETHER and that confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together and that confession is an expression and confirmation of faith and not a work for salvation.
Your 4 step check list plan of salvation places 4 steps in order. 1. Believe 2. Repent 3. Confess 4. Be baptized and until all 4 steps are complete the person is still lost according to your plan. Baptism does not happen simultaneously with the other 3 steps. Your biased interpretation of Romans 10:8-10 remains problematic with salvation by water baptism.
Excluding water baptism. Faith in Jesus Christ (implied in repentance) brings remission of sins. (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 26:18) Not the removal of dirt from the flesh but the answer of a good conscious toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Read it all. Stop isolating pet verses and building doctrine only on the parts you want to hear then ignoring the rest. That's called flawed hermeneutics.
You are being dishonest. Compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
You are still trying to turn confession into a work for salvation that follows believing unto righteousness when they are both chronologically together. Unlike water baptism which follows. Scripture does not agree with your believes unto righteousness, but still lost, confession is made unto salvation, but still lost, water baptized then finally saved check list.
Only someone who is still blind could make such a ludicrous statement.
Absolutely false. Blind as a bat.
Your false gospel is dead in the water. I received Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit when I believed the gospel prior to receiving water baptism and so has every Christian I know.
My sins were washed away by the blood of Christ and I received the gift of the Holy Spirit when I believed the gospel on that Saturday night (Acts 10:43-47;; Acts 11:17; 15:7-9; 26:18) prior to receiving water baptism the next morning and I knew without a doubt that I had become born again. (Romans 8:16; 1 John 5:13) Praise God!
Expression, confirmation of faith.
A distinction without a difference.
Yes, it does matter, very, very much. Paul told them to "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." And then he preached Jesus to him and his household. They were not yet saved, because they had not yet heard what and in whom to believe. When he had heard the Gospel, then he washed their wounds and they baptized him that very hour of the night.
Precisely. This is not the American connotation of "intellectual assent".
100% in the promise of God. Yet, you ignore the promise of God. He says that if you confess me before men then I will confess you before the Father. But you say, NO! We don't have to confess Him. He will confess us whether we confess Him or not.
Neither was anyone in Scripture. But the command in Acts 2:38 is passive, "be baptized". And the command to the Apostles (and hence to the teachers of all time) is the active "baptize them".
You think you were. But there is only one baptism in the NT Church, and it requires water. If there was no water, then you were not baptized.
I believe in what Scripture tells us, that is is absolutely possible to give up salvation. Nothing can steal it from you, but you can give it up.
No need. Once in a lifetime is enough. That is why God promises to continually cleanse us in Jesus' blood (1 John 1:7).
Still waiting on you to post the Truth. I haven't seen it from you yet, that is why I have to keep correcting you.
I never stated intulectual assent.
I never said any such thing, Dude you so far out there trying to make everyone believe you you can not even get this right.
Acts 2: 38 does not say get baptised to receive the gift of the spirit or remission of sin.
Not true..
No You believe what you have been taught and want to take the rest of us down with you.
We were originally cleansed in jesus blood. by the baptism of the spirit. no water involved. you can not have it both ways.
lol. Now this is funny.. You have to have truth to correct people.
Faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Two sides to the same coin.
Not according to your eisegesis.
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I do understand all of that, fully and completely. Nothing to contradict any of that has been posted, or ever said verbally, by me in any setting, ever.
Confession RESULTS IN receiving salvation, just as Naaman dipping the seventh time in Jordan resulted in his cleansing of leprosy.
No, it is not problematic at all. What was Saul told? "Arise and be baptized and wash away you sins, calling on the name of the Lord." What were they told on Pentecost? "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in order to receive the forgiveness of your sins".
No, it does not. If it did, then that would make a lie of 1 Pet 3:21, Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, John 3:5, and many others. You cannot take single verses out and make your doctrine on them. Luke 24:47 and Acts 3:19 say that repentance is "for (in order to receive) the remission of sins". Acts 2:38 says that both repentance and baptism are to be done "for the remission of sins". They are complimentary. 1 Pet 3:21 says that baptism now saves us. Again, complimentary.
I have never ignored any of that. This portion of the verse says that it is not like the old Jewish hand washing that removed dirt from the skin before eating, but is a removal of sin from our soul by the Holy Spirit through the power of Jesus' blood. And all of this happens in WATER BAPTISM, not in "spirit baptism" and not before water baptism.
You are assuming that "the gift of the Holy Spirit" in Acts 2:38 is the indwelling. But there is nothing there that states that.
They are in harmony, but not if you put salvation before water baptism. Because then you are not in harmony with 1 Pet 3:21, John 3:5, Acts 8:36, etc. Your "harmony" must extend to ALL Scripture, not just the verses you want it to.
The difference is between Heaven and Hell. That is quite a difference.
