You dodged the evidence in my previous post because it refutes your heresy.
The Water Baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13
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You dodged the evidence in my previous post because it refutes your heresy.
Truther
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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...
Heresy for gentiles?
Same old absurdity from you.
Not worth my time reading your drivel anymore.
Say "Hello" to my Ignore button.
Enough of you.
bye
Olde Tymer
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● Acts 22:16 . . Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.
Supposing it fell upon me to counsel someone interested in becoming a Christian
via baptism. What words should I recommend they use for calling on his name
during the ritual?
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● Acts 22:16 . . Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.
Supposing it fell upon me to counsel someone interested in becoming a Christian
via baptism. What words should I recommend they use for calling on his name
during the ritual?
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Truther
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Jesus. This is referring Jesus name baptism.
It is for the remission of sins.
Same as washing them away.
Far from a ritual.
Olde Tymer
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Okay, but tell me; what words might you suggest that someone use when they call
on his name during their baptism per Acts 22:16 because it looks to me that prayer
has a role in it.
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Okay, but tell me; what words might you suggest that someone use when they call
on his name during their baptism per Acts 22:16 because it looks to me that prayer
has a role in it.
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Doug Brents
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Certainly it does, but if you want specific words, look at Matt 28:19.
Truther
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Jesus.
In the name of Jesus.
I baptize you in the name of Jesus.
Either one is sufficient.
One must say the name to baptize in the name.
Olde Tymer
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It appears I've not been making myself clear.
The question is not what words the baptizer might say. The question is what the
one undergoing baptism might say.
For example: Ananias instructed Paul to call on Jesus' name while undergoing baptism.
What might've been appropriate words for Paul to say in his baptismal prayer?
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It appears I've not been making myself clear.
The question is not what words the baptizer might say. The question is what the
one undergoing baptism might say.
For example: Ananias instructed Paul to call on Jesus' name while undergoing baptism.
What might've been appropriate words for Paul to say in his baptismal prayer?
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Truther
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Baptism, in the name of Jesus, is not a prayer via saying the name of Jesus. It is a declaration. As it is speaking of as per Acts chapter 15, ….and the gentiles upon whom my name is called.
The name is called or invoked over the candidate.
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.(Peter per Acts 10)
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called….
The name is called or invoked over the candidate.
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.(Peter per Acts 10)
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called….
Olde Tymer
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Had I been in Paul's shoes, I think an appropriate baptismal prayer, in accord with
Ananias' instructions per Acts 22:16, would go something like this:
"God, I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's death."
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Had I been in Paul's shoes, I think an appropriate baptismal prayer, in accord with
Ananias' instructions per Acts 22:16, would go something like this:
"God, I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's death."
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Truther
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If you were Paul in Acts chapter 19, would you have rebaptized those believers in the name of Jesus Christ just like Paul did?
Doug Brents
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For that, I would look back to Peter's confession; the Rock on which the Lord's Church is built, in Matt 16:16. In my experience this confession is given in the form of a question by the baptizer, "Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God?" With the publicly given affirmative response, then the person can be baptized in Jesus' name. There is no "formula" or "sacramental words". The person being baptized could also make the statement, probably with prompting, similar to the statement made in Acts 8:37 (I know that some people challenge the legitimacy of this verse).
Doug Brents
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The problem with that statement, is that it does not acknowledge Christ in any way. It neither confesses His Lordship, nor does it acknowledge Him as God. These are certainly part of "confessing Christ", and claiming Him as Lord as Rom 10:9-10 command.
Olde Tymer
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The words I suggested in post No.332 were a real-life prayer, and I know the guy
who prayed it. He and I are buddies; close personal friends.
Back in 1968 he wanted very much to get in on the benefits of the cross because
he had a lot to answer for. So at the urging of a Christian friend, he went to a
Baptist church in Portland Oregon and waited for the altar call that's normally given
at the end of services. Well; that day the pastor forgot.
So my friend spoke up about it and the pastor suggested they make that call right
away even though the church was nigh unto evacuated by then. So my buddy, along
with the pastor and a couple of elders, knelt at the rail and he prayed just like I said.
A really eerie moment happened while praying his stupid little prayer. He got a
strong impression of someone there with them. He couldn't see anything or hear
anything, or make out a face or a form. Whatever that presence was hung around
for every last syllable of his prayer, and then it evaporated; leaving my buddy
shaken by the experience.
You know: I can't help but wonder how many of you super saints out there have
ever had a close encounter with God; even once. Well; my buddy is convinced that
he did, and I know him; he's not a kook nor is he the nervous type, he doesn't drink,
and he's never used controlled substances or mind altering chemicals like LSD. He's
a stand up guy: a solid citizen.
You know what the problem is with his "statement" as you call it? It isn't one of
your statements; it was his statement: that's the real problem.
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The words I suggested in post No.332 were a real-life prayer, and I know the guy
who prayed it. He and I are buddies; close personal friends.
Back in 1968 he wanted very much to get in on the benefits of the cross because
he had a lot to answer for. So at the urging of a Christian friend, he went to a
Baptist church in Portland Oregon and waited for the altar call that's normally given
at the end of services. Well; that day the pastor forgot.
So my friend spoke up about it and the pastor suggested they make that call right
away even though the church was nigh unto evacuated by then. So my buddy, along
with the pastor and a couple of elders, knelt at the rail and he prayed just like I said.
A really eerie moment happened while praying his stupid little prayer. He got a
strong impression of someone there with them. He couldn't see anything or hear
anything, or make out a face or a form. Whatever that presence was hung around
for every last syllable of his prayer, and then it evaporated; leaving my buddy
shaken by the experience.
You know: I can't help but wonder how many of you super saints out there have
ever had a close encounter with God; even once. Well; my buddy is convinced that
he did, and I know him; he's not a kook nor is he the nervous type, he doesn't drink,
and he's never used controlled substances or mind altering chemicals like LSD. He's
a stand up guy: a solid citizen.
You know what the problem is with his "statement" as you call it? It isn't one of
your statements; it was his statement: that's the real problem.
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Truther
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
A personal experience is not the equivalent to a new doctrinal stance.
If he wants to pray, great, but that does not debunk Acts 2:38.
Doug Brents
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First, it is neither proper nor kind of you to edit my comment with your "yada, yada").
Second, the problem is not that his statement was not my words. I don't have any "words" or "statement" that I require. The confession I posted comes directly from Scripture, so if you have a problem with it, take it up with God.
Finally, I know many people who have had similar experiences, some from God and some not so much. I encountered the Holy Spirit during my baptism about 36 years ago. But I also know that there are many who have "feelings" or "spiritual encounters" that have nothing to do with God. Satan (and his angels) can impersonate angels of Light (2 Cor 11:14), and as such can give people "feelings" that have nothing to do with salvation whatsoever.
Olde Tymer
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Were I God; I would have to keep you at a distance because you're too conceited
for a divine companion.
"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." (Prov 16:18)
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Were I God; I would have to keep you at a distance because you're too conceited
for a divine companion.
"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." (Prov 16:18)
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dwight92070
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I believe 1 Cor. 12:13 refers to the one baptism that saves, but I don't believe it's water baptism. The verse itself tells us that the Holy Spirit is the One doing the baptizing, and He is not baptizing in water. He is baptizing "into one body", that is the body of Christ. This verse tells us that during this baptism, "we were all made to drink of one Spirit". So from that point on, we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
This baptism is synonymous with salvation or being born again, which Jesus mentioned in John 3:3-5. Being born of water is our natural birth, which Nicodemus mentioned, and being born of the Spirit is our new birth. It is also called "a circumcision performed without hands" and the "circumcision of Christ" in Col. 2:11, and a "circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit in Romans" 2:29.
This baptism is also referred to in Galatians 3:27.
Water baptism is performed by humans with hands. This baptism is done by the Holy Spirit without hands.
Water baptism by immersion is a commandment given by Jesus to new believers, that is to those who have already received the baptism into the body of Christ, by grace through faith in Jesus.
It is a dramatic mime of what God has done with a man who has been born again. It is an enacted parable of salvation. Paul appeals to that parable for us to see what God has done in our lives.
Our water baptism was the outward evidence that He incorporated us believers into Christ.
The new birth given by grace through faith and water baptism, can be regarded as the inside and outside of the same thing. The new birth is a work of the Holy Spirit, done inside our hearts. Water baptism is a work performed with human hands, an outward "picture" of that work done by the Spirit of God.
This baptism is synonymous with salvation or being born again, which Jesus mentioned in John 3:3-5. Being born of water is our natural birth, which Nicodemus mentioned, and being born of the Spirit is our new birth. It is also called "a circumcision performed without hands" and the "circumcision of Christ" in Col. 2:11, and a "circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit in Romans" 2:29.
This baptism is also referred to in Galatians 3:27.
Water baptism is performed by humans with hands. This baptism is done by the Holy Spirit without hands.
Water baptism by immersion is a commandment given by Jesus to new believers, that is to those who have already received the baptism into the body of Christ, by grace through faith in Jesus.
It is a dramatic mime of what God has done with a man who has been born again. It is an enacted parable of salvation. Paul appeals to that parable for us to see what God has done in our lives.
Our water baptism was the outward evidence that He incorporated us believers into Christ.
The new birth given by grace through faith and water baptism, can be regarded as the inside and outside of the same thing. The new birth is a work of the Holy Spirit, done inside our hearts. Water baptism is a work performed with human hands, an outward "picture" of that work done by the Spirit of God.
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