The Unitarian belief that Jesus is not God causes those who offer worship to the Father's Throne (where Jesus sits) to be guilty of idolatry.

[Runningman]

let's see, Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." is this not the Lord Jesus? wait, Revelation 21:22 "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." listen the "Lord God and the LAMB.... IS THIS TWO PERSONS? NO, AND HERE WHY. the Lord God. in Revelation 1:1 someone sent his angel to John correct.... well the angel who was sent told us

No sir. Jesus is not the Almighty in Revelation 1:8.

Start with verse 4. See how "him which is, and which was, and which is to come" is not the same one as Jesus in verse 5? So there is him which is, and which was, and which is to come AND Jesus Christ. The "him which is, and which was, and which is to come" is not mentioned again until verse 8 and it says that he is the Lord, the Almighty.

Revelation 1
4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

who sent him... listen, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
notice the angel said, "The Lord God" sent him... right.... right. well let's see who is the Lord God by NAME.... Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
Uh O, the Lord God is the Lord Jesus... now what did Revelation 21:22 "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."

Revelation is wordy and there are a lot of things to remember but once you get it it's not overly complicated. So the revelation is Jesus is actually what God gave to Jesus according to Revelation 1:1. This makes Jesus God's messenger.

Revelation 1
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The angel in talking in Revelation 22:6-16 is actually Jesus. I am not saying Jesus is an angelic being like a cherubim or seraphim, but rather a messenger. Notice how the angel is talking in that passage then abruptly and without introduction Jesus is suddenly talking. It follows from the previous statements that the messenger who was talking is Jesus in Rev. 22:6-16. Now that I have pointed it out to you, read it again. Jesus refused being worshipped as God.

Revelation 22
8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

well you have a dilemma, for the Lord God is the Lord Jesus, and the Lamb is JESUS....... (smile)... LOL, YIKES!!.

CHECK..... and .... MATE.... game over. the Lord Jesus is the Lord Almighty, the Lamb..... read this post again for clearity.

101G.

No dilemma whatsoever on my end.

Got anything else that needs debunking?

 

[Runningman]

We just witnessed you running away from John 1:1-3 in Post 197. You are so true to your name of "Runningman".

That would be a false witness. I have been online for over an hour talking with you people and replying to everything put in front of me.

 

[Runningman]

Correct. the Word is God, just as the Lamb is God in Revelation.

101G.

Verse?

 

[synergy]

Correct. the Word is God, just as the Lamb is God in Revelation.

101G.

@Runningman has named himself properly by always being a man who runs away from English Grammar, Greek Grammar, Basic Logic, Historical Facts, and in this case John 1:3.

 

[Runningman]

Why did you run away from John 1:1-3?????
This proves again that you continue to run away from Bible verses as the "Runningman".

Let's find out why you ran away from John 1:1-3.

(John 1:2) οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν Θεόν.

οὗτος translates to "Him" clearly destroying your heretical view that the Word of God (Jesus) is a thing.
It's οὗτο that translates to "that" and it's nowhere to be found in John 1:1-3.

That's not how this works. Go back and read the comments. I began with mentioning 1 John 1:1-3 because you asked me which verse I was referring to. After that you changed the subject to John 1:1-3. Even though you are the one who ran away, I didn't make a big deal out of it. I talked with you about John 1:1-3 then when I thought you were getting back on topic I mentioned 1 John 1:1-3. Now suddenly you're doing a switcheroo back to John 1:1-3 when I have already been talking about it for several comments. Dude, get some rest.

 

[synergy]

That would be a false witness. I have been online for over an hour talking with you people and replying to everything put in front of me.

We were talking about John 1:1-3 in Post 183 and you ran away from those verses as fast as your legs can carry you.

The audience can verify that in this link:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-unitarian-belief-that-jesus-is-not-god-causes-those-who-offer-worship-to-the-fathers-throne-where-jesus-sits-to-be-guilty-of-idolatry.2119/post-122760

 

[Runningman]

To all my trinitarians, unitarians, and anyone else who is out there.

101G suggest all to read Post #194 carefully. in doing so it answer who is in Revelation 1:1. "ONLY THE Lord JESUS". and in chapter 5 "Only the Lord Jesus sits on the throne and also stand before it, the very throne he sits on" Oh the power of "Diversified Oneness".

101G.

and read post #201 carefully.

 

[101G]

@Runningman has named himself properly by always being a man who runs away from English Grammar, Greek Grammar, Basic Logic, Historical Facts, and in this case John 1:3.

he just don't understand John 1:1 keep on teaching him.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

We were talking about John 1:1-3 in Post 183 and you ran away from those verses as fast as your legs can carry you.

The audience can verify that in this link:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-unitarian-belief-that-jesus-is-not-god-causes-those-who-offer-worship-to-the-fathers-throne-where-jesus-sits-to-be-guilty-of-idolatry.2119/post-122760

You have been caught either having a bad memory or lying.

I have even gone back and quoted the comment chain for you. The topic was 1 John 1:1-3 before you changed it and I accepted that. Your comments have all been address.

For the readers, behold the public incompetence of sinergy. You can't even keep up with your own words.

Where did John refer to the Word of God, who is God and became flesh as Christ, as a thing?

You asked.

1 John 1:1-3

I answered.

All pronouns of the Word ("He", "Him") are Personal!
The Word is grammatically being treated as a Person.
Where do you see the word "it"? You need new glasses.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

Then you immediately changed the subject to John 1:1-3. If you misread what I wrote then it's okay, but no need to make a spectacle out of it. Be a man and own it.

 

[101G]

No sir. Jesus is not the Almighty in Revelation 1:8.

do not argue with 101G... argue with God. it was the Lord Jesus who sent his angel, in who the angel said the Lord God of the holy prophets sent him. so you argue with God on that, for it is his words. .... (smile) the scriptures stands... you.... in ERROR.

good day.

101G

 

[synergy]

he just don't understand John 1:1 keep on teaching him.

101G.

He runs away from it because it destroys Unitarianism. He will come up with a thousand excuses to keep away from it. Watch and see.

 

[Runningman]

do not argue with 101G... argue with God. it was the Lord Jesus who sent his angel, in who the angel said the Lord God of the holy prophets sent him. so you argue with God on that, for it is his words. .... (smile) the scriptures stands... you.... in ERROR.

good day.

101G

Haha 101G must mean 100&1 Games. You are making me laugh. It's okay if you don't want to answer my refute of what you wrote... think about it. (Smile) you're in ERROR.

 

[Runningman]

He runs away from it because it destroys Unitarianism. He will come up with a thousand excuses to keep away from it. Watch and see.

Now I know why your name sounds like sinergy. It's because you are an extremely dishonest debater. You've lost, now you invent a story to make yourself feel better.

To prove it, here are all of the comments I have addressed to you about John 1. Are you sober?

John 1:2-3 doesn't say what you just said.

Here's a simple English test. Which noun does the pro-noun "Him" refer to below?

John 1
2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

The Him in John 1:3 refers to the God the Word was with in the beginning. Correct, God is the light of men. Correct, John came bearing witness of God. Correct, the true Light is God who was coming into the world in the present tense. That would make Jesus 30 years old at that time and not the true Light.

This debunks the Word being God.

 

[101G]

He runs away from it because it destroys Unitarianism. He will come up with a thousand excuses to keep away from it. Watch and see.

let him argue with God and not you, the scriptures is TRUTH, not what anyone says. just let him argue with the scriptures

101G

 

[Runningman]

let him argue with God and not you, the scriptures is TRUTH, not what anyone says. just let him argue with the scriptures

101G

No argument with God. I agree with Him.

 

[101G]

Haha 101G must mean 100&1 Games. You are making me laugh. It's okay if you don't want to answer my refute of what you wrote... think about it. (Smile) you're in ERROR.

if 101G in ERROR that's ok, but is not the Jesus the Lord God? yes or No? answer by scripture..... (smile).

101G

 

[Runningman]

if 101G in ERROR that's ok, but is not the Jesus the Lord God? yes or No? answer by scripture..... (smile).

101G

Jesus is not the Lord God. That doesn't diminish his glory and authority. We all think very highly of Jesus. He was given all of his power and authority by God. Sorry you are misunderstanding who he is.

Revelation 1:1-8 is a pretty good place to begin to show how Jesus isn't God. You'll probably ignore all of it and argue. That's okay! That's why we're on an apologetics board.

 

[101G]

No argument with God. I agree with Him.

well then you must agree with his word when in his word that the angel who was sent was sent by the Lord God who is the Lord Jesus. that's scripture.... Listen, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

and who by Name is the Lord God who sent his angel? answer, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

check ..... mate. and we know that the Lord Jesus is the Lamb... so Revelation 21:22 "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." the same one person.

101G

 

[101G]

Jesus is not the Lord God.

read the post above.... (smile).... argue with the scriptures, and not 101G.... (smile).

101G

 

[synergy]

To prove it, here are all of the comments I have addressed to you about John 1. Are you sober?

And in our continued discussion of John 1:1-3, this is what you ran away from:

All pronouns of the Word ("He", "Him") are Personal!
The Word is grammatically being treated as a Person.
Where do you see the word "it"? You need new glasses.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

That's why you call yourself the "Runningman". What's your next devious excuse to keep running away from John 1:1-3?