The Shema

[civic]

Commentary. You wouldn’t be making an appeal to authority, would you?

One of the things I was tasked with as a professor was instructing my students, especially the freshmen, on how to properly use commentaries.

the irony since all you do is post secondary sources and never exegete any scripture.

Let me know when you want to exegete a passage and see who is on the side of truth and who is on the side of error.

Lets start with 1 Cor 8:6 and debate the text. Are you up for that professor?

You should have the clear advantage over me as a professor.

 

[Matthias]

The many gods/lords contrasted with the 1 God and 1 Lord

1 Cor 8:5-6
There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. 6But for us,

There is one God, the Father,
by whom all things were created,
and for whom we live.

The one God is here defined by Paul. That’s a pure expression of Jewish monotheism.

And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things were created,
and through whom we live.

Paul makes a clear distinction between the one God and the one lord.

So we see the many lords/gods are false while the One God/Lord created all things, is before all things and is who we live through and by who we live through.

Only someone with presuppositions would read the text any other way to deny Christ of His glory that is equal with the Father.

see John 17:5 and Phil 2- He shares the equal glory, honor, praise, worship with the Father are creator of all things as per Heb 1:8-10 cf Rev 4-5.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Fred]

the irony since all you do is post secondary sources and never exegete any scripture.

The above pretty much says it all.

 

[Matthias]

the irony since all you do is post secondary sources and never exegete any scripture.

Let me know when you want to exegete a passage and see who is on the side of truth and who is on the side of error.

Lets start with 1 Cor 8:6 and debate the text. Are you up for that professor?

You should have the clear advantage over me as a professor.

The irony is that you don’t practice what you preach. It’s a fallacy when others do it; it’s not a fallacy when you do it. There’s no need to tell you what that is called.

 

[civic]

The above pretty much says it all.

I'm willing to debate the professor on the shema or deity of Christ.

 

[Fred]

I'm willing to debate the professor on the shema or deity of Christ.

Is there a one one section where this can be done?

 

[civic]

The irony is that you don’t practice what you preach. It’s a fallacy when others do it; it’s not when you do it. There’s no need to tell you what that is called.

Lets debate the deity of Christ then and settle it. I'm willing are you ?

Just the biblical text and biblical Greek and Hebrew lexicons so the words can be defined.

 

[civic]

Is there a one one section where this can be done?

Yes we have a debate section here on the forum.

 

[Matthias]

I'm willing to debate the professor on the shema or deity of Christ.

See again my posts containing comments on the subject of debating.

 

[civic]

Is there a one one section where this can be done?

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/forums/one-on-one-debates.49/

 

[civic]

See again my posts containing comments on the subject of debating.

I'm not searching for them just provide a link so I can read your comments.

 

[Fred]

See again my posts containing comments on the subject of debating.

Hide, duck and dodge.

 

[Fred]

Just the biblical text and biblical Greek and Hebrew lexicons so the words can be defined.

Where Unitarianism bites the dust.

 

[Matthias]

Lets debate the deity of Christ then and settle it.

Debate doesn’t settle anything. I stopped debating 20 years or so ago when I saw what it was doing to me and what it was doing to those whom I debated with.

I'm willing are you ?

You haven’t yet learned the lesson about debating that I have.

Just the biblical text and biblical Greek and Hebrew lexicons so the words can be defined.

 

[Fred]

Debate doesn’t settle anything. I stopped debating 20 years or so ago when I saw what it was doing to me and what it was doing to those whom I debated with.



You haven’t yet learned the lesson about debating that I have.

And yet you continue to do so here.
What a copout.

 

[Matthias]

I'm not searching for them just provide a link so I can read your comments.

You don’t remember what I’ve said about debating?

Debating is a lose-lose proposition for the debaters.

 

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Thread Heading:- 'The Shema'

'Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart,
.. and with all thy soul,
.... and with all thy might.
...... And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
........ And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children,
.......... and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house,
............ and when thou walkest by the way,
.............. and when thou liest down,
................ and when thou risest up.
.................. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand,
................... and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
.................... And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house,
..................... and on thy gates.'
(Deuteronomy 6:4-9)

'And it shall come to pass,
.. if ye shall hearken diligently unto My commandments which I command you this day,
.... to love the LORD your God, and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul,
...... That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain,
........ that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.
.......... And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.
Take heed to yourselves,
.. that your heart be not deceived,
.... and ye turn aside,
...... and serve other gods,
........ and worship them;
.......... And then the LORD'S wrath be kindled against you,
............ and He shut up the heaven, that there be no rain,
.............. and that the land yield not her fruit;
................ and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.
Therefore shall ye lay up these My words in your heart and in your soul,
.. and bind them for a sign upon your hand,
.... that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
...... And ye shall teach them your children,
........ speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house,
.......... and when thou walkest by the way,
............ when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
.............. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children,
.. in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them,
.... as the days of heaven upon the earth.'
(Deut. 11:13-21)

'And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
.. Speak unto the children of Israel,
.... and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations,
...... and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
...... And it shall be unto you for a fringe,
.......... that ye may look upon it,
............ and remember all the commandments of the LORD,
.............. and do them;
................ and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
That ye may remember,
.. and do all My commandments,
.... and be holy unto your God.
...... I am the LORD your God,
........ which brought you out of the land of Egypt,
.......... to be your God:
............ I am the LORD your God.'
(Numbers 15:37–41)

 

[civic]

Thread Heading:- 'The Shema'

'Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart,
.. and with all thy soul,
.... and with all thy might.
...... And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
........ And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children,
.......... and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house,
............ and when thou walkest by the way,
.............. and when thou liest down,
................ and when thou risest up.
.................. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand,
................... and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
.................... And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house,
..................... and on thy gates.'
(Deuteronomy 6:4-9)

'And it shall come to pass,
.. if ye shall hearken diligently unto My commandments which I command you this day,
.... to love the LORD your God, and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul,
...... That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain,
........ that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.
.......... And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.
Take heed to yourselves,
.. that your heart be not deceived,
.... and ye turn aside,
...... and serve other gods,
........ and worship them;
.......... And then the LORD'S wrath be kindled against you,
............ and He shut up the heaven, that there be no rain,
.............. and that the land yield not her fruit;
................ and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.
Therefore shall ye lay up these My words in your heart and in your soul,
.. and bind them for a sign upon your hand,
.... that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
...... And ye shall teach them your children,
........ speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house,
.......... and when thou walkest by the way,
............ when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
.............. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children,
.. in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them,
.... as the days of heaven upon the earth.'
(Deut. 11:13-21)

'And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
.. Speak unto the children of Israel,
.... and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations,
...... and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
...... And it shall be unto you for a fringe,
.......... that ye may look upon it,
............ and remember all the commandments of the LORD,
.............. and do them;
................ and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
That ye may remember,
.. and do all My commandments,
.... and be holy unto your God.
...... I am the LORD your God,
........ which brought you out of the land of Egypt,
.......... to be your God:
............ I am the LORD your God.'
(Numbers 15:37–41)

Notice I am the Lord your God.

Lord and God are the same God just like we read in 1 Cor 8:6- Lord and God are the same One God/Lord who created all things. And there is no God besides this One God.

 

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Hello @civic,

There is a figure of speech that I always enjoy stumbling upon in Scripture, and it is called 'polysyndeton' or 'many ands', in which each phrase begins with the word, 'and'. It is intended, like all figures of speech used by the Holy Spirit, to make one stop and consider, to pay attention and take note of what is being said in each one. In such cases there is no great conclusion, for each segment is important in it's own right, and this is found in the first quotation (Deut. 6:4-9) which I quoted in reply#117 (above).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[civic]

Hello @civic,

There is a figure of speech that I always enjoy stumbling upon in Scripture, and it is called 'polysyndeton' or 'many ands', in which each phrase begins with the word, 'and'. It is intended, like all figures of speech used by the Holy Spirit, to make one stop and consider, to pay attention and take note of what is being said in each one. In such cases there is no great conclusion, for each segment is important in it's own right, and this is found in the first quotation (Deut. 6:4-9) which I quoted in reply#117 (above).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Our Lord and Savior
Our Lord and God
Our God and Savior
Our True God and Eternal Life
Our Only Sovereign and Lord
Our God and Creator
Our Savior and Lord
Our Lord and Savior

and the list goes on and on- Truth !!!

one must turn a blind eye to the above and put their head in the sand to deny His Deity.

its called presuppositions, eisegesis reading ones own ideas into scripture which is just the opposite of exegesis.