The Old Testament: Obsolete and Embarrassing or still valid today?

Subject Heading:- The Old Testament: Obsolete and Embarrassing or still valid today?​


'And Jesus answering said unto them,
Do ye not therefore err,
because ye know not the scriptures,
neither the power of God?'

(Mar 12:24)

'Then He said unto them,
O fools, and slow of heart
to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Ought not Christ to have suffered these things,
and to enter into His glory?
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,
He expounded unto them in all the scriptures
the things concerning Himself.'

(Luke 24:25-27)

Praise His Holy Name!
 
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Subject Heading:- The Old Testament: Obsolete and Embarrassing or still valid today?​


'For he (Paul) mightily convinced the Jews,
and that publickly,
shewing by the scriptures
that Jesus was Christ.'

(Act 18:28)

'For whatsoever things were written aforetime
were written for our learning,
that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures
might have hope.

Now the God of patience and consolation
grant you to be likeminded one toward another
according to Christ Jesus:
That ye may with one mind and one mouth
glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Wherefore receive ye one another,
as Christ also received us to the glory of God.'

(Rom 15:4-7)

May His Name be glorified!
 

THE OLD TESTAMENT: OBSOLETE AND EMBARRASSING OR STILL VALID TODAY?​


If the new covenant brought in by Jesus replaced the old covenant made at Sinai, why do we need to read the Old Testament at all? Hebrews 8:13 tells us,
“By calling this covenant ‘new,' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”
Many Christians think that since Yeshua came and fulfilled all the Law in himself, there is no need any longer for the cumbersome and problematic Old Testament. I mean – all that stuff about not eating shellfish, or mixing fibres in your clothes and stoning people – we’ve got over all that now, right? In today's society, so much of what’s written in the Old Testament seems so brutal and irrelevant – what are we supposed to make of it? Wouldn’t it be better if this outdated part of the Bible would just disappear?

DON'T GIVE UP ON THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES JUST YET!​

Although this may be a view held by many believers today, it would be a terrible mistake to ignore the Old Testament, better called the Hebrew Scriptures, since they are neither passé nor redundant. Here’s why.
“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.” (2 Tim 3:16-17)

Secondly, Jesus said, “the scripture cannot be broken” in John 10:35, and warned us: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them”, in Matthew 5:17. If Jesus thinks the Hebrew Scriptures are important, then maybe, you know, they are.
Thirdly, have you read the New Testament? It’s just as problematic as the Old Testament!
Here’s something Barack Obama said in his keynote speech at the Call to Renewal conference in June 2006:
“Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus which suggests that slavery is OK, and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount, a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own defense department would survive its application! So before we get carried away, let’s read our Bibles now. Folks haven’t been reading their Bibles!”
Although he is mocking God's word here, Obama has a point when he says “folks haven’t been reading their Bibles”, because if they did, they would find plenty of eye-watering wrath, bewilderment and awkward political incorrectness in the New Testament, and just as much outrageous grace, mercy and radical love in the Old as there is in the New. Unlike Obama, however, I believe that the Old and the New are both powerfully relevant today. There may be parts that are harder to understand than others, but when we dig deeper into those matters that trouble us, we often find that there are incredible riches of God’s character and truth to be found below the surface.

Have you ever considered why God put such challenging books as Leviticus and Deuteronomy at the beginning of his word? The Koran starts with easy, short chapters and becomes increasingly lengthy, challenging and complex, but the Bible seems to be largely the other way around. Why? Perhaps it’s a challenge to the reader – a test. There are those who will take a quick look, scrunch up their noses and turn away, but others will give it more of a chance, showing hope and trust that there is meaning and goodness in these bewildering books even if it is not immediately visible. This is what God is looking for. We see this in the way God presents himself generally – he could easily bedazzle us with his brilliance and glory, making it undeniable and inescapable that he is indeed Lord. But he doesn’t. Why? He respects our free will and choice. He loves us and wants us to love him too, voluntarily, not out of compulsion, but out of our own desire. God wants us to seek him and his words diligently, trusting all the while that he is just, wise and loving… that there are good answers to the things we don’t understand, even if it takes time to find them.
He wants us to consider that he is WORTH IT – worth the pursuit, worth the struggle and worth fighting for. Like the sun that is the perfect distance away from the earth so that we don’t freeze or burn, God cloaks himself in just enough mystery that we are neither compelled to believe him, nor is it impossible to find him. And boy, what a pearl of great price is waiting to be found by those who are willing to seek.

UNDERSTAND THE COVENANTS – THERE ARE NOT TWO BUT FIVE​

Essential in navigating the Bible is to understand the covenants in it. There are not only two covenants, but five (or even more, depending on how you count them). There was the conditional covenant given to Moses on Mount Sinai which the death and resurrection of Yeshua completed, but what about the others?

This helps us to understand why the New Covenant that Jesus introduced does not cancel the whole Old Testament, but only relates to the temporary covenant with Moses, which was very much conditional. Moses himself prophesied that it was just a matter of time before it would all be shot to dust. The people of Israel failed spectacularly, were exiled and punished, and the Mosaic law with its system of sacrifices was replaced by the ultimate, permanent sacrifice of the Messiah, once and for all. A “new and better way” to God was carved out for us in the Messiah's blood. The instructions to live in a God-honouring way were replaced by an even higher standard, with the law written in our hearts and the Holy Spirit given to help us live in the radical way of the Messiah.
However, God's promise to Noah never to flood the earth again still stands, his promises made in his covenant to Abraham were never annulled, and neither was his covenant relating to David's throne. Not only that, but the words of the Mosaic Law also remain valuable to us in helping us appreciate God's nature, his heart, and he has also woven many amazing clues about what was to come throughout the entire Torah. We have written a book on the subject called Reading Moses, Seeing Jesus. The more you study, the more you find! It's a bottomless well of fascination.
God has not reneged on his promises and gifts to Israel (since as Paul says in Romans 11, they are irrevocable) and Yeshua will come and reign on the throne of David. Where is that? Jerusalem! Just as it has been amazing to watch God fulfilling his promises to regather Israel from the nations and reestablish them in the land, so we can look forward to all the other promises that God has made to the nation of Israel coming to pass – they are our bona fide guarantee that God keeps his promises.

“THE LAW IS GOOD, IF YOU USE IT PROPERLY” 1 TIM 1:8​

It is a lifetime’s journey to learn how to understand the Bible and use it properly, but here are a couple of thoughts.

UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT

There are arguments about whether or not to take the Bible literally, but it’s better to try and take it literarily – that is, understand what kind of literature it is, and what God is saying through it. Each word is there on purpose, but what is God’s purpose? When Jesus tells parables, he does not need us to believe that there really was a prodigal son, but he wants us to understand the heart of the father in the story he made up to explain his point. In the same way, the Bible is full of all different kinds of stories, poetry, letters, parables, songs, and the book of Job is written as a play. Of course, there is also an enormous amount of history in there that really happened. We need to see first and foremost, who these words are written to, in what context, and what kind of literature it is. When we do this, we have to face an uncomfortable fact: most of the Bible was written to and about the people of Israel. Today we have the privilege of looking over their shoulder and seeing what God said to them, and learn about what God is like through reading it, but we must accept the context of the words we are reading.

UNDERSTANDING ISRAEL IS KEY

The Bible is not just a collection of good ideas for living and inspirational thoughts – it is real history and geography, past, present and future. Our Messiah was real. His crazy Jewish family was real. He really lived, he really died, he really rose again, and he is coming back again to a real place in real time! If we are to cut out Israel and the Jewish people from the Bible, we would have very little left – God has chosen to hang his story of redemption for all peoples on the story of his chosen people, Israel. Developing an appreciation of God's great story and how very real it is helps us to understand better how to apply his word in our days and how to read prophetic scriptures.

The Bible is a supernatural book containing prophecy and wisdom far greater than anything natural man could concoct – prophecies about the Messiah, Israel and the Middle East, and about world events.
We have the advantage of looking back and comparing the prophecies and Yeshua's life and seeing that the Bible is stunningly accurate in its predictions, and now also the privilege of seeing God's word coming to pass for Israel, but there is much more to come.
The Bible is as relevant today as it ever was – this is the time not to neglect the Scriptures, but to really get to grips with them, so that we can understand the author better, know where he says we are going, and be able to stand strong till the end in his word.

SHALOM

I my view it's much simpler than this. God defined His Own New Covenant for those interested in HIS Truth.

Jer. 31: 33 (CLV) For "this [is] the covenant" that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days, An affirmation of Yahweh, I have given "My law" in their inward part, And on their heart I do write it, And I have been to them for Elohim, And they are to me for a people." 34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbor, and each his brother, Saying, Know you Yahweh, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Yahweh; For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more."

There is only two things that changed in the prophesied "New covenant".

#1. The manner in which God's Laws are administered.

In the Old Covenant, the Scribes and Pharisees (Levite Priests) sat in Moses Seat, and they were our only avenue to hear Moses and the Prophets per the Levitical Priesthood, which wasn't "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments. And the Messiah said these Laws of God would be in effect as long as our earth, and our heavens are here, and until "All" is fulfilled. We now have access to the Oracles of God in our own homes, and in the hearts of those whose word reside within them. No more having to rely on carnal men to teach us about God, as we can read His Words for ourselves.

#2. The Manner in which Sins are forgiven.

In the Old Covenant, it was required to being an animal sacrifice to a Levite Priest for the remission of Sins. This LAW concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins wasn't given to Abraham nor was it given to Israel in the day God brought them out of Egypt.

Jer. 7: 22 For I did not speak with your fathers, Nor did I command them in the day of My bringing them out of the land of Egypt, Concerning the matters of burnt-offering and sacrifice, 23 But this thing I commanded them, saying: Hearken to My voice, And I have been to you for Elohim, And you--you are to Me for a people, And have walked in all the way that I command you, So that it is well for you."

This LAW wasn't "ADDED" until the Golden calf, the great transgression, and was only to be in place until the True Lamb of God should Come. Paul speaks to this in Gal. 3.

So there was never any prophesy concerning the abolition of the Old Testament, God's Laws contained therein, or His Judgments. The only thing that was prophesied to change, was the Priesthood. Hebrews 7 - 10 speak to the prophesied end of animal sacrifices, and Priestoof "After the Order of Aaron".

Heb. 10: 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

As it is written all over the Bible, God prefers obedience, not sacrifice.

1 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

The deceiver, from the very beginning, works to turn God's creation against obedience to Him. It does this by "Calling Jesus Lord, Lord", and teaching in His Name. HE warned of "Many" deceivers who "come in His Name", that they will deceive "many". Paul said the deceiver will disguise itself as an Apostle of Christ.

I advocate that men stop listening to all these "other voices" in the garden God placed us in, and "Yield ourselves" servant to obey God, as Paul teaches.
 
Yes, because reference is made to the Decalogue in Hebrews 9:4.

Yes, the "First Covenant" had God's Laws, and a temporary Priesthood to administer them, as well as provide forgiveness to the repentant.

But in God's Definition of HIS OWN New Covenant, He didn't promise to abolish His LAWS, rather, He promises to write them on the hearts of His People.

His Son is the perfect example of a man who has God's Laws written on their hearts. We are to Strive" to be like Him, at least according to Scriptures.


It's important, in my view, not to separate part of Gods word from other Words of God. In this example you use to promote a religious philosophy that God abolished His own Laws that He created for the Good of His People, you didn't provide others with the full quote.

Rom. 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; "that we should serve" in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (Dead in Trespasses and Sins)

The Law, "thou shall not covet" never killed even one person. But the Law, "The soul that sins shall die" has killed us all. We are not "Freed" from God's Law, "thou shall not covet", rather, a truly repentant man is "freed" from the Law, "The soul that covets shall die".

This frees us from death, so we can now serve God, as Hebrews teaches;

Heb. 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may "serve God" acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Paul explains this in the very next verse that you didn't address.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul already speaks to these things in Romans 6.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

That means NO Fred, we shall no Sin, just because we have been freed form death. Don't you know this?


16 Know ye not, that to whom "ye yield yourselves" servants to obey, "his servants ye are" to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Physical circumcision was part of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:7), but a Christian male does not need to be physically circumcised.
Genesis 17:7. 11
(7) And I will establish My covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
(11) And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt Me and you.

A "Christian" isn't a disobedient man who rejects God's Judgments and lives in rebellion to God's Laws. A "Christian" is Circumcised of the heart, as God teaches through Moses.

Duet. 10: 16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.

19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


Physical Circumcision is profitable, "IF" a man is obedience to God. But someone who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, but works iniquity, or as Paul teaches, who profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate, physical circumcision means nothing.

I would ask you a question, God's Law states that it is a Sin for a man to walk around naked. How then, could I know who is circumcised and who is not? Did Jews flash themselves to others to show who their God was? Or was it their "Works", like with Abraham?

True circumcision has always been from the heart. The Pharisees and rebellious Jews were children of the devil, not God. Paul explains this in Romans 2, but it's hard to understand for those whose mission it is to promote the abolition of God's Laws.
 
But in God's Definition of HIS OWN New Covenant, He didn't promise to abolish His LAWS

But that is exactly what He did.
 
So once again you're backtracking on your statement that "circumcision was not commanded of God to Abraham to Gentiles ". You tend to backtrack very often so once again your statements collapse like a deck of cards. Maybe you should rebuke the Spirit that "called [you] and told [you] what's up." It's feeding you much misinformation. :ROFLMAO:
You are profane. You really are to joke about someone's testimony of Christ.
Cornelius is now a "mixed heritage of Hebrew/Gentile offspring"?!?! 😯You should tell your misinformed spirit to take a hike.
What part of the Abraham covenant Promises is between Abraham, his seed (Hebrews) and God?
There are no more Canaanites but there are still Egyptians, Palestinians, Ethiopians, Saudis, Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Russians, not to mention Americans, Europeans, Canadians, Orientals, and even the odd South American. Does your Ethnic Cleansing Standard Version (ECSV) Bible mention them?
Egyptians lived in Egypt. Ethiopians lived in Ethiopia. Russians live in Russia, and Germans live in Germany. What fool doesn't understand that those living in Canaan were called Canaanites?
What an idiot.
Your legacy is your lust for Ethnic Cleansing based on your Ethnic Cleansing Standard Version (ECSV) Bible and on your misinformed spirit.
Oh, so now I have lust? You like talking out the side of your neck, don't you.
 
But that is exactly what He did.

No, HE didn't. You teach He did, the Pope teaches He did, Kenneth Copeland teaches HE did. But not God as HIS Words that I posted clearly say.

The Priesthood changed, as prophesied, but not God's Judgments, Statutes or Commandments.

As the Jesus "of the Bible" tells us;

Matt. 5: 17 Think not (Don't even think what you are preaching Fred) that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The Christ has not yet returned with His Reward to give every man according to his Works. And the same earth Jesus walked on, and the same Heavens Jesus walked under, are still here. The stars in exactly the same place as they were when HE walked this earth. Therefore, according to Jesus Himself, that is, the Jesus "of the bible", God's Laws, Judgments and Statutes are still in force.

Now it is true that you and the Pope, and "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, break many of God's Judgments and Laws, and you teach others to break them as well. But the Same Jesus also addresses this iniquity.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 
You are profane. You really are to joke about someone's testimony of Christ.
Hey, don't blame me for all your backtracking of statements and all the misinformation your spirit is feeding you.
What part of the Abraham covenant Promises is between Abraham, his seed (Hebrews) and God?

Egyptians lived in Egypt. Ethiopians lived in Ethiopia. Russians live in Russia, and Germans live in Germany. What fool doesn't understand that those living in Canaan were called Canaanites?
What an idiot.
Anyone who knows geography can tell that your Ethnic Cleansing map takes in parts of Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc... where there are Egyptians, Syrians, Saudis, etc.... Your misinformed spirit strikes again. It's time to give it the boot.
Oh, so now I have lust? You like talking out the side of your neck, don't you.
Thats going to be your legacy if you keep listening to your ethnic cleansing misinformed spirit.
 
The Mosaic Covenant is still in effect and still valid to Jewish Christians. God uses the Mosaic Covenant to 'bring His people to Christ' as Saul said in Galatians. Take away the Mosaic Covenant then you take away God's means of bringing His people to Christ. And that is an impossibility. God still uses the Mosaic Covenant for many reasons besides bringing a person to Christ. The Mosaic Covenant is among the Psalms and the Prophets that is available to God to instruct His people in His ways. By saying the Law is "abolished" or "obsolete" or "about to vanish away" before the time is to remove the means by which God deals with His people and instructs them in His Law and commands. Without the Old Testament God's people have nothing.
 
The Mosaic Covenant is still in effect and still valid to Jewish Christians. God uses the Mosaic Covenant to 'bring His people to Christ' as Saul said in Galatians. Take away the Mosaic Covenant then you take away God's means of bringing His people to Christ. And that is an impossibility. God still uses the Mosaic Covenant for many reasons besides bringing a person to Christ. The Mosaic Covenant is among the Psalms and the Prophets that is available to God to instruct His people in His ways. By saying the Law is "abolished" or "obsolete" or "about to vanish away" before the time is to remove the means by which God deals with His people and instructs them in His Law and commands. Without the Old Testament God's people have nothing.
(Eph 2:11-22)
'Wherefore remember,
.. that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
.... who are called Uncircumcision
...... by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
........ That at that time ye were without Christ,
.......... being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
............ and strangers from the covenants of promise,
.............. having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus
.. ye who sometimes were far off
.... are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
...... For He is our peace,
........ Who hath made both one,
.......... and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
............ Having abolished in His flesh the enmity,
............. even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
............... for to make in Himself of twain one new man,
................ so making peace;
.................. And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
.................... having slain the enmity thereby:
And
came and preached peace to you which were afar off,
.. and to them that were nigh.
.... For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
...... Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
....... but fellowcitizens with the saints,
........ and of the household of God;
......... And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
.......... Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
........... In Whom all the building fitly framed together groweth
............. unto an holy temple in the Lord:'
.............. In Whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.'


Praise God!
 
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'I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord,
beseech you that ye walk worthy
of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
With all lowliness and meekness,
with longsuffering,
forbearing one another in love;

Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit
in the bond of peace.'

(Eph. 4:1-3)

That 'peace' being the peace that the Lord Jesus Christ established for us upon the cross, by, 'abolishing the law of commandments contained in ordinances,' It is written!

* 'The unity of the Spirit, 'that we are to 'keep', is described in Ephesians 4:4-7?:-

'There is
one body, and
one Spirit, even as ye are called in
one hope of your calling;
One Lord,
one faith,
one baptism,
One God and Father of all,
Who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But unto every one of us is given grace
according to the measure of the gift of Christ.'


Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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The Mosaic Covenant is still in effect and still valid to Jewish Christians. God uses the Mosaic Covenant to 'bring His people to Christ' as Saul said in Galatians. Take away the Mosaic Covenant then you take away God's means of bringing His people to Christ. And that is an impossibility. God still uses the Mosaic Covenant for many reasons besides bringing a person to Christ. The Mosaic Covenant is among the Psalms and the Prophets that is available to God to instruct His people in His ways. By saying the Law is "abolished" or "obsolete" or "about to vanish away" before the time is to remove the means by which God deals with His people and instructs them in His Law and commands. Without the Old Testament God's people have nothing.
'In that He saith, A new covenant,
He hath made the first old.
Now that which decayeth and waxeth old
is ready to vanish away.'

(Heb 8:13)
 
The Mosaic Covenant is still in effect and still valid to Jewish Christians. God uses the Mosaic Covenant to 'bring His people to Christ' as Saul said in Galatians. Take away the Mosaic Covenant then you take away God's means of bringing His people to Christ. And that is an impossibility. God still uses the Mosaic Covenant for many reasons besides bringing a person to Christ. The Mosaic Covenant is among the Psalms and the Prophets that is available to God to instruct His people in His ways. By saying the Law is "abolished" or "obsolete" or "about to vanish away" before the time is to remove the means by which God deals with His people and instructs them in His Law and commands. Without the Old Testament God's people have nothing.
There are many ways that people are brought to Christ. It could be through the Law or it could be through the Word, or it could be through the conviction of the Holy Spirit, etc..... The bottom line is that the Law is now fulfilled in Christ. There are thousands of gifts that we inherit from Christ when we abide in Christ and justification is one of them when we believe in Christ. Heb 8:13:is saying that in contrast to the New Covenant, that has Christ and that all can partake of, the Old Covenant is vanishing away because it does not have Christ. What does your spirit say about that? Your spirit's silence will be a sign of rebellion against and hatred towards the New Covenant.
 
(Eph 2:11-22)
'Wherefore remember,
.. that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
.... who are called Uncircumcision
...... by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
........ That at that time ye were without Christ,
.......... being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
............ and strangers from the covenants of promise,
.............. having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus
.. ye who sometimes were far off
.... are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
...... For He is our peace,
........ Who hath made both one,
.......... and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
............ Having abolished in His flesh the enmity,
............. even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
............... for to make in Himself of twain one new man,
................ so making peace;
.................. And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
.................... having slain the enmity thereby:
And
came and preached peace to you which were afar off,
.. and to them that were nigh.
.... For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
...... Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
....... but fellowcitizens with the saints,
........ and of the household of God;
......... And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
.......... Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
........... In Whom all the building fitly framed together groweth
............. unto an holy temple in the Lord:'
.............. In Whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.'


Praise God!
Let me ask you a question:

Did Jesus Christ fulfill every precept, line, and requirement under the Law of Moses?
 
There are many ways that people are brought to Christ. It could be through the Law or it could be through the Word, or it could be through the conviction of the Holy Spirit, etc..... The bottom line is that the Law is now fulfilled in Christ. There are thousands of gifts that we inherit from Christ when we abide in Christ and justification is one of them when we believe in Christ. Heb 8:13:is saying that in contrast to the New Covenant, that has Christ and that all can partake of, the Old Covenant is vanishing away because it does not have Christ. What does your spirit say about that? Your spirit's silence will be a sign of rebellion against and hatred towards the New Covenant.
The ONLY WORD available was the Hebrew Scriptures also known as the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets. It is the same Hebrew Scripture Saul instructed Jewish believers to obey:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim. 3:16–17.

Without the Hebrew Scripture there can be no biblical Christianity under the New Covenant era. There would be no doctrine, no reproof of false doctrine, no correction of false belief of doctrine, and no instruction in righteousness that grows a believer in all good works and in knowledge of the LORD. The very thing by which God the Father is pleased by.
 
There are many ways that people are brought to Christ. It could be through the Law or it could be through the Word, or it could be through the conviction of the Holy Spirit, etc..... The bottom line is that the Law is now fulfilled in Christ. There are thousands of gifts that we inherit from Christ when we abide in Christ and justification is one of them when we believe in Christ. Heb 8:13:is saying that in contrast to the New Covenant, that has Christ and that all can partake of, the Old Covenant is vanishing away because it does not have Christ. What does your spirit say about that? Your spirit's silence will be a sign of rebellion against and hatred towards the New Covenant.
Saul says "ready to vanish away" but he doesn't say WHEN.

Where's your evidence the Hebrew Scriptures have "vanished away"?
 
Let me ask you a question:

Did Jesus Christ fulfill every precept, line, and requirement under the Law of Moses?

Yes, ready to vanish away, but it doesn't say when.

If it has vanished away now where is your evidence?
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Hello @jeremiah1five,

With respect, when you address the content of the passages of Scripture that I quoted in replies #52 & 53, I will consider the question you have subsequently asked of me.

In Christ Jesus
risen, ascended and sat at God's right hand.
Chris
 
esau corrupted God's words.

so yes the kjv bible is filled with sorcery and gibberish.

that doesn't take away from Gods words...
it takes away from esau's sorcery kjv.
 
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