The Nature of God in the Atonement

[TomL]

Did Christ Purge their sins away according to Hebrews 1:3

When they believed yes

else

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Acts 10:43 (LEB) — 43 To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

 

[brightfame52]

When they believed yes

else

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Acts 10:43 (LEB) — 43 To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

So you deny that they were purged when he sat down? Hebrews 1:3

 

[praise_yeshua]

Scripture teaches that God is greater than men in every way. If Jesus is a God-Man, as you all claim, then the God part is greater than the man part and the man part is not God at all because humans are not equal to or greater than God. Why do you not believe Jesus is a man just as the bible plainly says?

This is one of the reasons we Trinatarians insist that Christ is a Divine Person.

 

[Runningman]

Niche?

These are standard LEB Bible verses.

The NIV reads the same

Christ was clearly termed God

John 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

John 1:1 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

According to John 1:3,14 Jesus is not the Word, but rather is flesh that was created. i.e., "Through Him all things were made..." and "The Word became flesh..."

John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 20:28 (NIV) — 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

This is proof Thomas didn't believe Jesus is God since he didn't address him as God.

Acts 20:27–28 (KJV 1900) — 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Acts 20:28 (NIV) — 28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Acts 20:28 in the NIV contains a footnote that says ""with the blood of His own Son." Because God doesn't have blood. Jesus has blood and he purchased people for God. The purchase wasn't made by God.

Revelation 5
9And they sang a new song:
“Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals,
because You were slain,
and by Your blood You purchased for God
those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

Philippians 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God

Philippians 2:5–6 (NIV) — 5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

The first verse is Paul telling them what kind of mind to have and then after that he describes the mind of Jesus. Your teaching means that Paul was teaching them to believe they are equal to God, which is false. A literal translation of Philippians 2:5-6 doesn't contain the issue you're promoting.

Philippians 2
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:
6Who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider to be equal with God something to be grasped,

Romans 9:5 (LEB) — 5 to whom belong the patriarchs, and from whom is the Christ according to human descent, who is God over all, blessed forever! Amen.

Romans 9:5 (NIV) — 5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

Numerous versions teach Jesus isn't God in Romans 9:5.

Romans 9 Mofatt
5 the patriarchs are theirs, and theirs too (so far as natural descent goes) is the Christ. (Blessed for evermore be the God who is over all! Amen.)

Romans 9 RSV
5 to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever.[a] Amen.

Romans 9 KJV
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Titus 2:13 (NIV) — 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

The Great God and savior Jesus don't share the same determiner. Jesus is our savior but not said to be our God.

Titus 2 KJV
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Hebrews 1:8–9 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, your God, has anointed you with the olive oil of joy more than your companions.

Hebrews 1:8–9 (NIV) — 8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

Quoted from Psalm 45:6 where the person being referenced in a human.

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 1 (NIV) — 1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

2 Peter 1:2 says Jesus and God are distinct.

Isaiah 9:6 (LEB) — 6 For a child has been born for us; a son has been given to us. And the dominion will be on his shoulder, and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) — 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The Bible never says this verse is about Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

No you haven't. Partially quoting a single verse proves otherwise. Do you know what details means?

What do you want to discuss then?

 

[Runningman]

This is one of the reasons we Trinatarians insist that Christ is a Divine Person.

There are many who are divine. Did you know that? Or do I need to quote verses for you? I would think you all would know the whole Bible by now, but most of you just have a handful of verses you talk about.

 

[praise_yeshua]

There are many who are divine. Did you know that? Or do I need to quote verses for you? I would think you all would know the whole Bible by now, but most of you just have a handful of verses you talk about.

Like you? Are you Divine?
Tell me why you are?

It really is absolutely crazy how you jump around without any thought of where you are going.

So how are you "Divine"? I tried to start training your in Trinitarian doctrine. You just laughed at the things you don't understand. You are not Intrinsically divine. Jesus Christ is.

 

[civic]

Like you? Are you Divine?
Tell me why you are?

It really is absolutely crazy how you jump around without any thought of where you are going.

So how are you "Divine"? I tried to start training your in Trinitarian doctrine. You just laughed at the things you don't understand. You are not Intrinsically divine. Jesus Christ is.

a mormon unitarian lol

 

[Dizerner]

I do, but if I may ask, what do you believe the punishment that sin deserves is?

The wrath of God against all ungodliness.

I can establish this with ample Biblical support.

 

[Runningman]

Like you? Are you Divine?
Tell me why you are?

It really is absolutely crazy how you jump around without any thought of where you are going.

So how are you "Divine"? I tried to start training your in Trinitarian doctrine. You just laughed at the things you don't understand. You are not Intrinsically divine. Jesus Christ is.

So did you know that there are others who are divine, according to the Bible, or not? We can agree that God has divine characteristics. Aside from the Bible teaching people to be like God, it also bluntly states that they can share in the divine nature (of God.) 2 Peter 1:4 is a good place for you to start. Actually, I may open a thread about this soon. I am beginning to notice a pattern of people who don't understand what being divine means.

 

[Runningman]

The wrath of God against all ungodliness.

I can establish this with ample Biblical support.

Yeah, true, but I wonder what you are going to say that wrath involves specifically. Yes, please provide at least some verses so I have an idea of what you're getting at.

 

[Dizerner]

Yeah, true, but I wonder what you are going to say that wrath involves specifically. Yes, please provide at least some verses so I have an idea of what you're getting at.

Hmm... are you an Annihilationist?

Do you deny the existence of hell?

 

[TomL]

According to John 1:3,14 Jesus is not the Word, but rather is flesh that was created. i.e., "Through Him all things were made..." and "The Word became flesh..."

John 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Apparently, according to scripture, he was the word and he was God

Further, he created all things

So he pre-existed any flesh being

This is proof Thomas didn't believe Jesus is God since he didn't address him as God.

Acts 20:28 in the NIV contains a footnote that says ""with the blood of His own Son." Because God doesn't have blood. Jesus has blood and he purchased people for God. The purchase wasn't made by God.

John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 20:28 (NIV) — 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

There is no such note in my NIV

and multiple bibles affirm

(MLV2021) And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God!

(ACV) Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
(RHB16) And Thomas answered and said to Him,
My Lord and my God.
(RHB16TL) And Thomas answered and said to Him,
My Lord and my God.
(RHB18) And Thomas answered and said to Him,
My Lord and my God.
(RHB18TL) And Thomas answered and said to Him,
My Lord and my God.
(ABP+) AndG2532 Thomas respondedG611 G3588 G* andG2532 saidG2036 to him,G1473 G3588 My LordG2962 G1473 andG2532 G3588 my God.G2316 G1473
(2001) And at that, Thomas said, 'My Lord and my God!'
(AFV) And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God."
(AHRC-MT)
(AHRC-RMT)
(AKJV-R) And Thomas answered and said to him, My LORD and my God.
(ABU_NT) Thomas answered and said to him: My Lord, and my God.
(ARV 2005) Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
(ASV-2014) Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
(AUV) Thomas replied to Him, Lord and my God.”
(ALT) And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
(Anderson) And Thomas answered and said to him: My Lord and my God.
(ANT) answers Thomas and [He] says [to] him areThe Lord [of] me and The God [of] me
(AOB) THOMAS ANSWERED AND SAID TO HIM, MY MASTER, AND MY THEOS (The Alpha & Omega)!"
(ASV) Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
(BBE) And Thomas said in answer, My Lord and my God!
(VW) And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
(Bishops) Thomas aunswered, and sayde vnto hym: My Lorde, and my God.
(CEV) Thomas replied, "You are my Lord and my God!"
(CGV) Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
(CENT) Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
(cjb) T'oma answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
(Complete Apostles' Bible) And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

I have many more, which all read the same.

The first verse is Paul telling them what kind of mind to have and then after that he describes the mind of Jesus. Your teaching means that Paul was teaching them to believe they are equal to God, which is false. A literal translation of Philippians 2:5-6 doesn't contain the issue you're promoting.

Philippians 2
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:
6Who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider to be equal with God something to be grasped,

Philippians 2:6
(MLV2021) who, existing in the form of God, did not deem it a seizure to be equal to God,

(RHB16) who, being in the form of God,
deemed it not seizure to be equal to God:

(AFV) Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

(AKJV-R) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(ABU_NT) who, being in the form of God, did not account it robbery to be equal with God;

(AUV) He existed in the form of God [i.e., He shared Godvery nature], but did not consider [remaining] equal with God something [to continue] to hold onto.

(ALT) who existing in the nature of God, did not consider being equal to God something to be held onto,

(Anderson) who, being in the form of God, did not think it an act of robbery to be equal with God;

You are stuck with the fact that he existed in the form of God, and he was God.

Numerous versions teach Jesus isn't God in Romans 9:5.

Romans 9 Mofatt
5 the patriarchs are theirs, and theirs too (so far as natural descent goes) is the Christ. (Blessed for evermore be the God who is over all! Amen.)

Romans 9 RSV
5 to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever.[a] Amen.

Romans 9 KJV
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

You are still stuck with many verses.

John 1:1 (UASV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:18 (UASV) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, that one has made him fully known.

Philippians 2:5–6 (UASV) — 5 Have this mind in yourselves, which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Titus 2:13 (UASV) — 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Hebrews 1:8 (UASV) — 8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of his kingdom.

2 Peter 1:1 (UASV) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Isaiah 9:6 (UASV) — 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

The Great God and savior Jesus don't share the same determiner. Jesus is our savior but not said to be our God.

Thomas disagreed with you

John 20:28 (NIV) — 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

In accord with

Titus 2:13 (UASV) — 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (UASV) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Titus 2 KJV
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Quoted from Psalm 45:6 where the person being referenced in a human.

Psa 45:6 reads

Psalm 45:6 (NIV) — 6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

2 Peter 1:2 says Jesus and God are distinct.

The Bible never says this verse is about Jesus.

Um 2 Pe 1:1

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 1:1 (NIV) — 1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

2 Peter 1:1 (UASV) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 1:1 (ESV) — 1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 1:1 (LSB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received the same kind of faith as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 1:1 (The Modern Language Bible: Berkeley Version) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have been allotted a faith as precious as ours:

2 Peter 1:1 (NKJV) — 1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

I could post more

Note the form of verse 2 and verse 1 are different


One definite article in the Greek (τοῦ, tou) governs both “God” and “Savior,” which are connected with καί (kai, and). The identical grammatical construction appears elsewhere in the epistle where Jesus Christ is called both “Lord and Savior” (2Pe 1:11; 2:20; 3:2, 18). In a case such as this, “the article is (naturally) omitted with the second of two phrases in apposition connected by καί [kai]”

Here, in a construction identical to Titus 2:13 (“our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” [NRSV]), our author ascribes to Jesus Christ both the titles “God” and “Savior”

 

[TomL]

So you deny that they were purged when he sat down? Hebrews 1:3

That is after they had believed.

Remember had they not

else

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Acts 10:43 (LEB) — 43 To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

 

[brightfame52]

That is after they had believed.

Remember had they not

else

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Acts 10:43 (LEB) — 43 To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

No its not, Heb 1:3 says Christ did what ? Did He purge the sins away of them He died for and then sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High according to this scripture

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

 

[civic]

The wrath of God against all ungodliness.

I can establish this with ample Biblical support.

No you can't

Psalm 78:38
Yet he was merciful; he forgave their iniquities and did not destroy them. Time after time he restrained his anger and did not stir up his full wrath.

Psalm 103:8-10
The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.
9;He will not always accuse,
nor will he harbor his anger forever;
10he does not treat us as our sins deserve
or repay us according to our iniquities.

Isaiah 48:9
For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.

Micah 7:18-19
Who is a God like You, who pardons iniquity and passes over the transgression of the remnant of His inheritance—who does not retain His anger forever, because He delights in loving devotion? / He will again have compassion on us; He will vanquish our iniquities. You will cast out all our sins into the depths of the sea.

Nehemiah 9:31
But in Your great compassion, You did not put an end to them; nor did You forsake them, for You are a gracious and compassionate God.

Daniel 9:9
To the Lord our God belong compassion and forgiveness, even though we have rebelled against Him

Psalm 130:3-4
If you, Yah, kept a record of sins,
Lord, who could stand?
4But there is forgiveness with you,
therefore you are feared.

Nehemiah 9:17
They refused to listen and failed to remember the wonders You performed among them. They stiffened their necks and appointed a leader to return them to their bondage in Egypt. But You are a forgiving God, gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in loving devotion, and You did not forsake them.

Joel 2:13
So rend your hearts and not your garments, and return to the LORD your God. For He is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger, abounding in loving devotion. And He relents from sending disaster.

how many passages do you need showing God restrains His anger,wrath,justice, retribution and instead shows mercy, grace, lovingkindness, forgiveness, love etc ............

hope this helps !!!

 

[Dizerner]

No you can't

Yes, I can, and I have.

Do you somehow in some twisted way think that because God is merciful he has no wrath?

If God has no wrath, what is there even to be merciful for?

You post nonsense.

 

[civic]

Yes, I can, and I have.

Do you somehow in some twisted way think that because God is merciful he has no wrath?

If God has no wrath, what is there even to be merciful for?

You post nonsense.

I posted numersous passages from several OT Prophets/Kings all saying the same thing that God restains His wrath against sin and instead shows mercy.

And here is more about Gods good nature and character, mainly love covers sin.

One of the most popular of the biblical proverbs is Proverbs 10:12, “Hatred stirs up conflict, / but love covers over all wrongs.” Some translations read, “Love covers all offenses” or “all transgressions.” What does is mean that love covers all wrongs?

This proverb is an example of antithetical parallelism in Hebrew poetry. A close look at the contrast involved helps provide a better understanding. “Hatred” is contrasted with “love.” The “stirring up” is contrasted with a “covering over.” And “conflict” is what hatred is promoting, whereas love seeks to make peace by covering “all wrongs.” To provide an expanded paraphrase: “Hatred looks for a fight and refuses to smooth things over, but love desires peace between warring parties and will not be involved in provoking dissension.”

Love covers all wrongs, but the wicked find motivation from hatred or spite toward others. In contrast, the righteous are motivated by love. Hatred seeks ways to cause trouble, but love looks for ways to forgive.

This same proverb is quoted in 1 Peter 4:8, “Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.” In this context, the proverb emphasizes that love is expressed through forgiveness of sins.

The idea of love being associated with forgiveness is found frequently in Scripture. One important example is found in 1 John 4:10, “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.” See also John 3:16 and 1 John 3:16. The work of Christ on the cross—the work of our forgiveness—was an act of divine love.

In our own personal relationships, we also show love in our forgiveness of others. One of love’s characteristics is that “it keeps no record of wrongs” (1 Corinthians 13:5). Love has no list of how or how often it has been offended. Love forgives.

A related idea from Proverbs 10:12 is the concept of “covering” sins. This concept is communicated elsewhere in the Old Testament to describe God’s forgiveness of sins. For example, Psalm 85:2 reads, “You forgave the iniquity of your people / and covered all their sins.” In the New Testament, Romans 4:7 speaks of the blessedness of knowing God’s love and forgiveness: “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.”

James 5:19–20 says, “My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.” Again, the idea of “covering” many sins communicates the fact of a person’s sins being forgiven.

Our lives are to be characterized by godly love that forgives the sins of others. Our extending of forgiveness is motivated by the truth that God has forgiven our sin through Jesus Christ (Ephesians 4:32). How many times should we forgive? Up to seven times? That was Peter’s question in Matthew 18:21. Jesus’ answer: “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times” (Matthew 18:22). Where sin increases, grace increases all the more (Romans 5:20). Love covers a multitude of sins—and it keeps on covering.got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

I will go on record saying the following with full conviction I'm 100% correct.

PSA basically teaches that God doesn’t save us from sin or from death. But instead God saves us from himself. And he does in by punishing himself since Jesus is God. There is no justice in PSA for the guilty was not punished, but the innocent. That by definition is injustice. PSA is a theological pretzel, a mess.

Those who believe in the heretical doctrine of PSA do not understand the Tri-Unity of God. No matter how much they will deny that fact its true. PSA teaches a fracture Trinity, a separation of the Godhead. A Dis-Unity of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. An angry gos pouring out his vengeance, anger, retribution on his own son- that is pure paganism, greek philosophy, idolatry, gnosticism at its very core. It is anti god, anti-christ, anti-biblical, anti-christian. PSA is a theological stronghold.

And many have the audacity to say its the gospel. PUKE.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

No its not, Heb 1:3 says Christ did what ? Did He purge the sins away of them He died for and then sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High according to this scripture

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

That is after they had believed.

Remember had they not

else

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Acts 10:43 (LEB) — 43 To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

One has to repent, to turn back so their sins may be blotted out.
Acts 3:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out,

1 John 1:9 (LEB) — 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, so that he will forgive us our sins and will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.