The Nature of God in the Atonement

[Johann]

Yes, sir.

I won't make that mistake again!

No need to call me "sir" brother-do I look like a sir? Lol!
J.

 

[Diserner]

No need to call me "sir" brother-do I look like a sir? Lol!
J.

Well, you took a very stern tone...

 

[Diserner]

I'm glad I can say my God actually died for me....

Without watering it down and hiding I don't really believe that.

 

[Johann]

Well, you took a very stern tone...

When it comes to Scriptures I don't appreciate lightheartedness or jokes-but that's just me-I don't believe Jesus went around cracking jokes and being frivolous, not saying you do it brother.
The Jews have a saying-There is a time to laugh-and now is not that time.
Shalom Achi.
J.

 

[civic]

My God surely died for me not some impersonal human nature , but a Divine Person.

PS I’m not the one watering down His death.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Diserner]

The Jews have a saying-There is a time to laugh-and now is not that time.

Sometimes it's laugh or cry, brother.

It's hard to keep one's spirit up.

 

[Johann]

Sometimes it's laugh or cry, brother.

It's hard to keep one's spirit up.

You should know what to do to keep your spirit up, don't you?
J.

 

[Wrangler]

2-Thesis statement: Scripture does not teach that God’s wrath was poured out on Jesus.

You cannot prove a negative. What is it that Scripture teaches on this point?

 

[Wrangler]

His love is very everlasting

Every lasting is an absolute. There are not degrees of everlasting.

 

[civic]

You cannot prove a negative. What is it that Scripture teaches on this point?

No wrath was poured out on the Son from the Father. The paper goes into great detail with scripture and church history

 

[civic]

Every lasting is an absolute. There are not degrees of everlasting.

A typo thanks

 

[Johann]

You cannot prove a negative. What is it that Scripture teaches on this point?

Quote Scripture references proving that God's wrath was poured out on Jesus brother-or are you here to just pontificate-no offense.
Thanks
Johann.

 

[Wrangler]

The love of God has not the slightest shadow of variation

You certainly are reaching for modification of absolutes. Is that for dramatic affect? Like I am mad at you. So mad at you. So, very mad at you. So very, VERY mad at you?

 

[Wrangler]

Quote Scripture references proving that God's wrath was poured out on Jesus brother-or are you here to just pontificate-no offense.
Thanks
Johann.

Johann. Your grasp of logic is interesting. The absence of proof is not proof. This is an Appeal to Ignorance.

One can only make logical conclusions based on presented evidence. Consider the indictments against Trump. The side making the claim has the burden of proof and in a rational world, the case would be dismissed for not presenting evidence that meets the standard.

Oh, one other thing. Don't tell me what to do. Thanks! Feel free to research the Scripture you are interested in.

 

[civic]

You certainly are reaching for modification of absolutes. Is that for dramatic affect? Like I am mad at you. So mad at you. So, very mad at you. So very, VERY mad at you?

You are missing the forest through the trees and focusing on the minute. If you want to proof it please do. I’ve had a couple theologians and professors read it and approved. Plus several pastors. You seem to be nitpicking it apart and not focusing on the atonement.

 

[Wrangler]

God is Love

A disturbing passage from Devotional Reading the other day is from 1 Kings 21:29 CJB Adonai says he will bring evil. So, the love of God must be put in such Biblical context.

I do believe an IDOL ignorant people create is a permissive God who hold no one accountable because he is love.

 

[Wrangler]

You are missing the forest through the trees and focusing on the minute. If you want to proof it please do. I’ve had a couple theologians and professors read it and approved. Plus several pastors. You seem to be nitpicking it apart and not focusing on the atonement.

Yup. Atonement does not interest me but as a courtesy to you, I looked at your document from an academic perspective, as you requested. I'll just stay out of this thread after this post.

My comment was to Johann.

BTW, stating a positive thesis is not minutiae. If professional academics approved such a thing, they led you astray.

Make a Blessed Day!

 

[Johann]

Johann. Your grasp of logic is interesting. The absence of proof is not proof. This is an Appeal to Ignorance.

One can only make logical conclusions based on presented evidence. Consider the indictments against Trump. The side making the claim has the burden of proof and in a rational world, the case would be dismissed for not presenting evidence that meets the standard.

Oh, one other thing. Don't tell me what to do. Thanks! Feel free to research the Scripture you are interested in.

Touchy-and forgive me If it sounded like an Imperative-but the Scripture references coupled with rabbinical writings-verifiable resources-made a solid case for the Deity of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus. I have many, many more sources to solidify what stands written-but you don't read.
J.

 

[Wrangler]

made a solid case for the Deity of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus. I have many, many more sources to solidify what stands written-

No you don't. At least not in Scripture. There simply is no trinity verse. You just don't want to admit it.

 

[Wrangler]

No wrath was poured out on the Son from the Father. The paper goes into great detail with scripture and church history

I agree with your assessment. Just pointing out a basis to improve your thesis statement. GIVEN that no watch was poured out on the Son from the Father, what was the dynamic? Are you saying you are unable to state your theology in positive terms?