"Thorn in the flesh". What was it?

[jeremiah1five]

Paul gave his lineage. It was not of the priestly order of Aaron.

No, Saul is not a priest after the order of Aaron.

He well understood the relationship of a man and wife. He showed his experience throughout his commentary. He knew his wife better than you know a women. You can't believe the things you believe and not be failing your mate.
You're double minded in all things. You claim Saul wasn't married and then you claim he was widowed. You can't have both.

Either argument can be made from the text. I prefer to believe Saul was married and then widowed, possibly, early on.

It is very unlikely that Paul would have been widowed and he wouldn't talk about such things openly to edify the hearer. What would keep him from mention his family and estolling Timothy as "his own son in the faith" would come from losing his family to the efforts of Satan. It would be "too painful/thorn" to properly express and self serving.

The angels that sinned are 'locked up.' (2 Peter 2:4.)

 

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Anyone want to share?

this very body is the flesh and thorn

it is sin nature

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Peter was definitely a racist. The Scriptures prove it.

Peter told God NO when God told him to embrace Gentiles.

Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

That is the very essence of racism. Jonah was a racist. Peter and the church at Jerusalem ignored the Gentiles for decades. How many people do you believe died without the Gospel because of their actions?

These men you worship are not just men. Better men than me but by no means your Lord.

Peter thought it was about food . GOD said EAT .
it was that . He did not even KNOW what the vision meant , AT FIRST .
He was not racist . That word , however sure seems to get thrown around more and more
in these last hours .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Peter was definitely a racist. The Scriptures prove it.

Peter told God NO when God told him to embrace Gentiles.

Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

That is the very essence of racism. Jonah was a racist. Peter and the church at Jerusalem ignored the Gentiles for decades. How many people do you believe died without the Gospel because of their actions?

These men you worship are not just men. Better men than me but by no means your Lord.

I see the word racism a lot from you . it has me now concerned that perhaps
there is that social gospel at work . You sure say racism a lot .
Never learn the scrips through the progressive social gospel lens of men .
I would suggest the entire church returns to simply reading the bible for ourselves .
I see this broad and diverse paint brush of men that is coloring the scrips to fit an agenda of men .
The call is now and has been being made , ITS TIME FOR an all out exodus
of learning the scrips through the methods and teachings of men and to READ for our own selves .
Be in prayer . Be diligent in the things of the LORD and beware of men for many deceivers do abound .

 

[praise_yeshua]

this very body is the flesh and thorn

it is sin nature

What nature is there to ashes?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Peter thought it was about food . GOD said EAT .
it was that . He did not even KNOW what the vision meant , AT FIRST .
He was not racist . That word , however sure seems to get thrown around more and more
in these last hours .

It has never been about food. Jesus said it Himself.

Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Peter was stubborn like most of us. Jesus healed the daughter of a Canaanite women. Jesus even called her a "dog". Racism has always been a part of society since God separated humanity at Babel. Instead of getting to know one another, they've always just "stuck" to their racial/culture superiority. All men of all races/cultures do it to some degree or another.

You have to see things for what they are. You're worshipping Peter. I'm not. Men are men. Flesh is flesh.

At Lystra in the book of Acts, Jews and Gentiles alike set out to sacrifice to to Paul and Baranabas.

Act 14:18 And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them.

Read the narrative again yourself. People worship men. I don't. I know what is within man.

On mount Tabor, Peter was quick to seek to worship Moses and Elijah.

Mat 17:4 And Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good that we are here. If you wish, I will make three tents here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
Mat 17:5 He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”

God had to interrupt Peter to tell them Peter to listen to His Beloved Son.

Stephen witnessed the idolatry of Israel.

Act 7:43 You took up the tent of Moloch and the star of your god Rephan, the images that you made to worship; and I will send you into exile beyond Babylon.’

Israel was a mixed culture and race influenced by the rest of the world. They always were since being in bondage in Egypt.

Exo 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

There is no separation to be found among men. Yet, they certainly prefer to make you believe they're BETTER than others. They're not. Just flesh.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No, Saul is not a priest after the order of Aaron.

Then why mention the Priesthood?

Either argument can be made from the text. I prefer to believe Saul was married and then widowed, possibly, early on.

Your preference is self serving.

The angels that sinned are 'locked up.' (2 Peter 2:4.)

I know that is common belief but I disagree. Satan isn't bound. Some of them may be. Not all. The otherworldly evil influence in this life is unmistakable among us. As bad as men are, they're being lead by otherworldly evil.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I see the word racism a lot from you . it has me now concerned that perhaps
there is that social gospel at work . You sure say racism a lot .
Never learn the scrips through the progressive social gospel lens of men .
I would suggest the entire church returns to simply reading the bible for ourselves .
I see this broad and diverse paint brush of men that is coloring the scrips to fit an agenda of men .
The call is now and has been being made , ITS TIME FOR an all out exodus
of learning the scrips through the methods and teachings of men and to READ for our own selves .
Be in prayer . Be diligent in the things of the LORD and beware of men for many deceivers do abound .

I call it what it is. You can notice that @jeremiah1five is freely admiring that God is racist. I didn't make that up. I'm fighting this.

I do agree that claims of racism are not often racism in society. It becomes an excuse and not a reason. However, we can't ignore it when it happens. It happens a lot in Christianity with those who think God prefers certain races.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Then why mention the Priesthood?

You brought it up two reposes ago.

Your preference is self serving.

I prefer to believe Saul was widowed.

I know that is common belief but I disagree. Satan isn't bound. Some of them may be. Not all. The otherworldly evil influence in this life is unmistakable among us. As bad as men are, they're being lead by otherworldly evil.

Then I suppose Peter is a liar.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:3–4.

So is Jude:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude vs. 6.

And so is Isaiah.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:15.

Bunch of false prophets and apostles to lead the sheep astray.
(according to you, that is.)

 

[jeremiah1five]

I call it what it is. You can notice that @jeremiah1five is freely admiring that God is racist. I didn't make that up. I'm fighting this.

I do agree that claims of racism are not often racism in society. It becomes an excuse and not a reason. However, we can't ignore it when it happens. It happens a lot in Christianity with those who think God prefers certain races.

God loves Israel:

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. Deuteronomy 7:6–8.

God is a respecter of persons, preferring one people ABOVE all others, and not only that but also hating the people His did not choose to be a special people ABOVE all others:

25 And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them. Exodus 2:24–25.

As you can see I am only posting Scripture. God is the One speaking.

God does not love the world.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine John 17:9.

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:14–16.

That's God for ya. It would be hypocritical for God to command His people to not love the world and then to turn around and love the world Himself. That would be sin. But God's love is Sovereign just as His hate is Sovereign. God chose the Jews (children of Israel) over and above all the families of the world.
That shows God prefers one race over another, and the "other" will be consumed later from the face of the earth leaving only the Hebrew people left over for the meek shall indeed inherit the earth.

 

[praise_yeshua]

God is a respecter of persons, preferring one people ABOVE all others, and not only that but also hating the people His did not choose to be a special people ABOVE all others:

You just keep showing your evil character to others.

Peter changed and wrote these words...

1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

You're looking for a temporal gain. Peter was "sojourning".

God does not love the world.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine John 17:9.

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:14–16.

That's God for ya. It would be hypocritical for God to command His people to not love the world and then to turn around and love the world Himself. That would be sin. But God's love is Sovereign just as His hate is Sovereign. God chose the Jews (children of Israel) over and above all the families of the world.
That shows God prefers one race over another, and the "other" will be consumed later from the face of the earth leaving only the Hebrew people left over for the meek shall indeed inherit the earth.

Crazy nonsense....

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

What you're referencing is "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life".

Pay attention to what you read. You're not absent the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. Your pride and lust for power are showing.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Then I suppose Peter is a liar.

He has been. I don't believe he is here. He lied about the Scriptures supporting his choice to chose Mathias instead of waiting on Saul.

Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Men make mistakes in the "name of God" all the time. You're doing it now yourself.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:3–4.

As much I've shown that I know the Scriptures to you here and you think I don't know what this says?

That doesn't speak of all angels. Angels still sin. You're referencing a one time event.

So is Jude:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude vs. 6.

And so is Isaiah.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:15.

Bunch of false prophets and apostles to lead the sheep astray.
(according to you, that is.)

No. Not at all. Again. The same event. Angels still sin.

Do you believe Satan is currently bound with them? I mentioned this earlier. You ignored it. You know why you did. Isn't Satan an angel?

Mistake after mistake after mistake for you. All to your benefit. You sure do look good in your own eyes.... right?

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I call it what it is. You can notice that @jeremiah1five is freely admiring that God is racist. I didn't make that up. I'm fighting this.

I do agree that claims of racism are not often racism in society. It becomes an excuse and not a reason. However, we can't ignore it when it happens. It happens a lot in Christianity with those who think God prefers certain races.

you could not offer me up no amount of money to agree with jeremiah five . OH I do not agree with him at all .
But peter was no racists either . WE gots to bible up for ourselves my friend. WE MUST . men have fleeced us all .
TIME for an all out exodus from all denominations of men and their doctrines
and an ENTRODUS back into the bible to simply learn and to grow .

 

[e v e]

What nature is there to ashes?

if it is on this earth it is matrix nature.

In eden then of His type of nature.

 

[Selah]

God does not love the world.

Listen up; do you not know, have you not heard?

John 3:14-17 (NKJV) 14 “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 “that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

s e l a h

 

[Selah]

That's God for ya. It would be hypocritical for God to command His people to not love the world and then to turn around and love the world Himself. That would be sin. But God's love is Sovereign just as His hate is Sovereign. God chose the Jews (children of Israel) over and above all the families of the world.
That shows God prefers one race over another, and the "other" will be consumed later from the face of the earth leaving only the Hebrew people left over for the meek shall indeed inherit the earth.

What you have written, @jeremiah1five, is a complete fabrication.

Read carefully …

"Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country,
and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house,
unto a land that I will show thee: and I will make of thee a great nation...
and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed" (Gen. 12:1-3).


"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine,
the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him,
I am the Almighty God;
walk before me, and be thou perfect,
and I will make my covenant between me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly...
thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram,
but thy name shall be Abraham;
for a father of many nations have I made thee "(Genesis 17:1-5).

s e l a h

 

[Selah]

God gives NOTHING to Gentiles:

Let’s read God’s words with understanding and in context, shall we, @jeremiah1five?

Isaiah 40:17-31 (NKJV) 17 All nations before Him [are] as nothing, And they are counted by Him less than nothing and worthless. 18 To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare to Him? 19 The workman molds an image, The goldsmith overspreads it with gold, And the silversmith casts silver chains. 20 Whoever [is] too impoverished for [such] a contribution Chooses a tree [that] will not rot; He seeks for himself a skillful workman To prepare a carved image [that] will not totter. 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? 22 [It is] He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants [are] like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. 23 He brings the princes to nothing; He makes the judges of the earth useless. 24 Scarcely shall they be planted, Scarcely shall they be sown, Scarcely shall their stock take root in the earth, When He will also blow on them, And they will wither, And the whirlwind will take them away like stubble. 25 “To whom then will you liken Me, Or [to whom] shall I be equal?” says the Holy One. 26 Lift up your eyes on high, And see who has created these [things,] Who brings out their host by number; He calls them all by name, By the greatness of His might And the strength of [His] power; Not one is missing. 27 Why do you say, O Jacob, And speak, O Israel: “My way is hidden from the LORD, And my just claim is passed over by my God”? 28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the LORD, The Creator of the ends of the earth, Neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable. 29 He gives power to the weak, And to [those who have] no might He increases strength. 30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, And the young men shall utterly fall, 31 But those who wait on the LORD Shall renew [their] strength; They shall mount up with wings like eagles, They shall run and not be weary, They shall walk and not faint.

God is telling you that He is in control of everything. Therefore, we must always give God the praise and thanks for all things. There is absolutely nothing that compares to Almighty God, the Creator of heaven and earth.

s e l a h

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

What you have written, @jeremiah1five, is a complete fabrication.

Read carefully …

"Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country,
and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house,
unto a land that I will show thee: and I will make of thee a great nation...
and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed" (Gen. 12:1-3).


"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine,
the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him,
I am the Almighty God;
walk before me, and be thou perfect,
and I will make my covenant between me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly...
thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram,
but thy name shall be Abraham;
for a father of many nations have I made thee "(Genesis 17:1-5).

s e l a h

and in thy seed , WHICH SEED IS CHRIST JESUS . Point to Christ to the last breath my friend .
Onward in the trenches we must go , clinging onto WHAT HE taught . Exactly my friend .

 

[jeremiah1five]

You just keep showing your evil character to others.

You can tell my character on post? That's amazing Dr. Strange.

Peter changed and wrote these words...

1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

You're looking for a temporal gain. Peter was "sojourning".

Peter wrote to Hebrews who were "sojourning" as much as James wrote to the twelve tribes SCATTERED.

Crazy nonsense....

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The Scripture was written to Hebrews. The context of the word "world" would be "world" of Jews. It cannot mean world of unbelieving Gentiles since Jesus didn't pray for the world when it was necessary to do so for their salvation and God Himself says "love not the world."

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. John 17:8–9.

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:15–16.

It would be hypocritical and sin for God to command His people to "not love the world" and then turn around and Himself love the world. Just because the Greek "kosmos" is found in the text does not mean the uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping world of Gentiles. Get a clue.

What you're referencing is "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life".

Pay attention to what you read. You're not absent the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. Your pride and lust for power are showing.

Those things are belonging to non-Hebrew, non-covenant, uncircumcised, idol-worshiping world of Gentiles.

God's people have been atoned and that is the basis of their forgiveness and salvation:

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

Forgiveness is forgiveness and Israel is no longer in bondage to sin. NOW they are a HOLY NATION, and a people of PRIESTS.

Christ died under the Law and He fulfilled the Law which was the animal sacrifice was for the children of Israel, unless you can show me a passage of the high priest leaving Israel, going to Gentiles, and offering sacrifices for their sins.
IF Christ fulfilled the Law and Israel was under the Law then the animal sacrifice was for Israel and atoned their sin. Otherwise, you have Jesus violating the Law if you claim He dies for someone NOT under the Law - Gentiles.

This is why Saul said:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:4–5.

Believe in the Scripture.

God doesn't lie.

Your theology makes Him a liar.

You are not honest with Scripture. You show you're disingenuous that when you come to passages of Scripture that seem opposite to each other you don't seek to resolve the tension you instead choose the passage that upholds your theology. That's dishonest to God and His Word.

 

[jeremiah1five]

He has been. I don't believe he is here. He lied about the Scriptures supporting his choice to chose Mathias instead of waiting on Saul.

Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Men make mistakes in the "name of God" all the time. You're doing it now yourself.

Peter was in the flesh when Acts 1:15-26 take place in the ten-day window between ascension and Pentecost. The Holy Spirit hadn't come yet. Peter was so very much in the flesh and leaned upon his own understanding. God doesn't replace in the Body of Christ, HE ADDS:

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:47.

So, who replaced James in Acts 12:1? Who replaced Saul when he was beheaded in AD 68? What you teach is called Apostolic Succession and that is the way the Catholics choose their popes. WRONG!

As much I've shown that I know the Scriptures to you here and you think I don't know what this says?
That doesn't speak of all angels. Angels still sin. You're referencing a one time event.

It sure doesn't speak of the angels that DIDN'T SIN. It says clearly, "the angels that sinned" are "locked up" and this occurred BEFORE God created man.

No. Not at all. Again. The same event. Angels still sin.

Scripture please.
Oh, wait. There is none because the angels that sinned are LOCKED UP - ALL OF THEM.
Your theology is so very weak and without biblical foundation. I get tired of repeating Scripture.

Do you believe Satan is currently bound with them? I mentioned this earlier. You ignored it. You know why you did. Isn't Satan an angel?

Mistake after mistake after mistake for you. All to your benefit. You sure do look good in your own eyes.... right?

The word "satan" is also used of man. It means "adversary" and the non-elect are an adversary to God, which is why He will consume them with fire in Revelation 20:7-9.

In this passage, David says to Abishai, "What have I to do with you, you sons of Zeruiah, that you should this day be an adversary (satan) to me?" Here, "satan" is used to describe Abishai, a man, because he is acting as an adversary to King David.

Another instance is in 1 Kings 11:14, where Hadad the Edomite is referred to as a "satan" to King Solomon.

It's important to note that in these contexts, the word "satan" (שָׂטָן, śāṭān) simply means "adversary," "accuser," or "opponent." It does not carry the same theological weight or refer to the fallen angel as it does in later biblical books (like Job) or the New Testament. The use of "satan" to describe a man simply highlights a human being acting in opposition to another.

There ya go. Another satisfied customer. I get tire of repeating Scripture to people who reject it. May the Lord reject you.