The Lamb worshipped

[TomL]

Great.

John 9:38 teaches the worship of Jesus.

He ignores whatever does not agree with his theology

 

[civic]

Revelation 5:6–14 (NIV) — 6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. 8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. 10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying: “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!” 14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
Revelation 5:6–14 (NASB 2020) — 6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 And He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. 8 When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are You to take the scroll and to break its seals; for You were slaughtered, and You purchased people for God with Your blood from every tribe, language, people, and nation. 10 You have made them into a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign upon the earth.” 11 Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slaughtered to receive power, wealth, wisdom, might, honor, glory, and blessing.” 13 And I heard every created thing which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying, “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.

Revelation 5:6–14 (UASV) — 6 And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a Lamb standing as though slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne. 8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones. 9 And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and purchased for God with your blood men from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign over the earth.” 11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To the one who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might for the ages of the ages!” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

Revelation 5:6–14 (LEB) — 6 And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a Lamb standing as though slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and of the living creatures and of the elders, and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying, “To the one who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

Revelation 5:6–14 (ESV) — 6 And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne. 8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.” 11 Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!” 13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” 14 And the four living creatures said, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

And for God to allow worship of anyone or anything but YHWH would be causing all heaven to commit the sin of idolatry.

It's absurd to deny the fact that the Son was worshipped on earth by many and in heaven by all.

To say otherwise proves one has not only a bias but their theology is based upon false presuppositions they read into all scripture concerning the identity and work of the Son.

As we know the Son said and did things that only God can say and do. The Jews knew His claims/works and tried killing Him many times for claiming to be God/YHWH.

This is the great stumbling stone the uni's stumble over and reject. The reject the only One Who can save them from their sins. It's the John 8:24 saying by the Son we are witnessing on a daily basis. They do not believe Him, nor give Him the glory, honor, praise and worship due His Holy Name.

 

[TomL]

And for God to allow worship of anyone or anything but YHWH would be causing all heaven to commit the sin of idolatry.

It's absurd to deny the fact that the Son was worshipped on earth by many and in heaven by all.

To say otherwise proves one has not only a bias but their theology is based upon false presuppositions they read into all scripture concerning the identity and work of the Son.

As we know the Son said and did things that only God can say and do. The Jews knew His claims/works and tried killing Him many times for claiming to be God/YHWH.

This is the great stumbling stone the uni's stumble over and reject. The reject the only One Who can save them from their sins. It's the John 8:24 saying by the Son we are witnessing on a daily basis. They do not believe Him, nor give Him the glory, honor, praise and worship due His Holy Name.

This is key

To say otherwise proves one has not only a bias but their theology is based upon false presuppositions they read into all scripture concerning the identity and work of the Son.

Only by denying scripture can the Unitarian hold on to his view

 

[civic]

This is key



Only by denying scripture can the Unitarian hold on to his view

yes its being deceived and not knowing the truth. you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. But they deny the vey One who is the truth.

 

[TomL]

yes its being deceived and not knowing the truth. you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. But they deny the vey One who is the truth.

Doing so leaves one as unfree.

 

[civic]

Doing so leaves one as unfree.

correct not a slave to Christ and still in need of being set free.

 

[TomL]

correct not a slave to Christ and still in need of being set free.

Indeed if one does not believe

John 8:24 (NASB 2020) — 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.”

 

[Runningman]

Great.

John 9:38 teaches the worship of Jesus.

No one taught about worshiping Jesus in Spirit and truth. Please explain how that works in Trinitarianism.

 

[Fred]

No one taught about worshiping Jesus in Spirit and truth.

What took place in John 9:38 was done in truth.
It wasn't done in falsehood.

 

[TomL]

No one taught about worshiping Jesus in Spirit and truth. Please explain how that works in Trinitarianism.

Created Angels do not accept worship but Jesus did.

 

[Runningman]

What took place in John 9:38 was done in truth.
It wasn't done in falsehood.

John 4 says the true worships worship the Father. Don't nuke it. It simply means Jesus isn't God. No one was ever taught to worship Jesus is spirit and truth.

John 4 KJV
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Runningman]

Created Angels do not accept worship but Jesus did.

Worshipping doesn't imply someone is a god or God because fundamentally, it's just means bowing down in the contexts you Jesus was bowed to. Kings can be worshipped (bowed down to) and people of rank/status like Jesus is. Are humans kings Lord God Almighty? Not at all, but can they be worshipped in a way so as to pay honor, homage, and respect to them with without committing idolatry? Yes absolutely.

So you have what is known as a category error and a false equivalency based on bad reason and bad logic. To prove it, I will show you that Jesus doesn't get any of God's exclusive worship in Scripture. You seem like a smart person and you don't want to be an idolator, but you are. I also think you would be willing to change once you're shown that Jesus only ever taught his followers to worship God, aka the Father, but not to worship him.

Case in point, Jesus is not God because there are no teachings or commands to worship him and the true worshippers don't worship Jesus anyway. The true worshippers only worship the Father in spirit and truth.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

 

[Johann]

John 4 says the true worships worship the Father. Don't nuke it. It simply means Jesus isn't God. No one was ever taught to worship Jesus is spirit and truth.

John 4 KJV
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Incorrect-
Does the Bible describe Jesus being worshiped?


Worship means “reverence paid to a divine being.” If Jesus was offered and accepted worship, then by doing so He was confirming His divinity. This is important because there are those who deny the deity of Christ, relegating Him instead to a lesser position than God. Yes, Jesus accepted worship. As the second Person of the Trinity, He was and still is worshiped.

From the beginning of Jesus’ life, we see examples of Him being worshiped. As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him” (Matthew 2:11). The Bible records the initial response Jesus received when He made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem: “So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, ‘Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!’” (Matthew 21:9; John 12:13) The word hosanna is a plea for salvation and an expression of adoration. This word used by the crowd is definitely a form of worship.

Just after Jesus amazed the disciples by walking on water, “those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’” (Matthew 14:33). Two more memorable examples of Jesus accepting worship occurred just after His resurrection. Some of the women (Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10) were on their way to tell the disciples of the resurrection when Jesus met them on their way. When they realized it was He, they “came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him” (Matthew 28:9).

Then there is the case of Thomas, who didn’t believe Jesus had risen from the dead despite the other disciples’ testifying to that fact. It had been about a week since the resurrection, and Thomas still doubted it. Jesus, knowing Thomas doubted, appeared to him and showed him the nail marks in His hands and feet and the wound in His side. How did Thomas respond? “Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20:28). In none of these instances do we see Jesus telling those worshiping Him to stop, as did mere men and even angels who were being worshiped wrongly by others (Acts 10:25–26; Revelation 19:9–10).

We continue to offer worship to Jesus today by offering ourselves to Him as a living sacrifice—offering ourselves to God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to do with as He sees fit (Romans 12:1–2). Jesus said, “God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24). We worship God in spirit and truth by obedience to His commands. Worship is not solely about bowing to Jesus, throwing palm branches at His feet, or singing and shouting about our love for Him. Worship is about knowing Him, communing with Him, serving Him, and trusting in Him.

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Does the Bible describe Jesus being worshiped? Is there anyone in the Bible that directly worshiped Jesus?

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J.

 

[Runningman]

Incorrect-
Does the Bible describe Jesus being worshiped?


Worship means “reverence paid to a divine being.” If Jesus was offered and accepted worship, then by doing so He was confirming His divinity. This is important because there are those who deny the deity of Christ, relegating Him instead to a lesser position than God. Yes, Jesus accepted worship. As the second Person of the Trinity, He was and still is worshiped.

From the beginning of Jesus’ life, we see examples of Him being worshiped. As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him” (Matthew 2:11). The Bible records the initial response Jesus received when He made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem: “So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, ‘Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!’” (Matthew 21:9; John 12:13) The word hosanna is a plea for salvation and an expression of adoration. This word used by the crowd is definitely a form of worship.

Just after Jesus amazed the disciples by walking on water, “those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’” (Matthew 14:33). Two more memorable examples of Jesus accepting worship occurred just after His resurrection. Some of the women (Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10) were on their way to tell the disciples of the resurrection when Jesus met them on their way. When they realized it was He, they “came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him” (Matthew 28:9).

Then there is the case of Thomas, who didn’t believe Jesus had risen from the dead despite the other disciples’ testifying to that fact. It had been about a week since the resurrection, and Thomas still doubted it. Jesus, knowing Thomas doubted, appeared to him and showed him the nail marks in His hands and feet and the wound in His side. How did Thomas respond? “Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20:28). In none of these instances do we see Jesus telling those worshiping Him to stop, as did mere men and even angels who were being worshiped wrongly by others (Acts 10:25–26; Revelation 19:9–10).

We continue to offer worship to Jesus today by offering ourselves to Him as a living sacrifice—offering ourselves to God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to do with as He sees fit (Romans 12:1–2). Jesus said, “God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24). We worship God in spirit and truth by obedience to His commands. Worship is not solely about bowing to Jesus, throwing palm branches at His feet, or singing and shouting about our love for Him. Worship is about knowing Him, communing with Him, serving Him, and trusting in Him.

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Does the Bible describe Jesus being worshiped? Is there anyone in the Bible that directly worshiped Jesus?

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J.

Worship means kneeling down and there are no verses about worshipping Jesus as God or in heaven. No commandments given to Christians to worship Jesus in the Bible.

worshiped
προσεκύνησαν (prosekynēsan)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 4352: From pros and a probable derivative of kuon; to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

In Genesis 18:2, Abraham bows to three mysterious visitors to welcome them. In Genesis 23:7, Abraham bows to the people of the land after they offer him burial ground.

In Genesis 42:6, Joseph's brothers bow down before him with their faces to the earth.

In Esther 3:2, Mordecai refuses to bow down to Haman, even though the king had commanded everyone else to do so.

There are many examples where bowing does not mean someone is being worshipped as God.

 

[Johann]

Worship means kneeling down and there are no verses about worshipping Jesus as God or in heaven. No commandments given to Christians to worship Jesus in the Bible.

worshiped
προσεκύνησαν (prosekynēsan)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 4352: From pros and a probable derivative of kuon; to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

In Genesis 18:2, Abraham bows to three mysterious visitors to welcome them. In Genesis 23:7, Abraham bows to the people of the land after they offer him burial ground.

In Genesis 42:6, Joseph's brothers bow down before him with their faces to the earth.

In Esther 3:2, Mordecai refuses to bow down to Haman, even though the king had commanded everyone else to do so.

There are many examples where bowing does not mean someone is being worshipped as God.

In the New Testament, numerous Greek passages show that Jesus received worship (Greek: προσκυνέω, proskyneō), a term denoting reverence or worship often reserved for deity. While the Old Testament was written primarily in Hebrew, the Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament also uses proskyneō to describe worship given to God alone. Here are several key examples from the Gospels where Jesus receives proskyneō, highlighting His divine status.

Key Greek Examples of Jesus Receiving Worship (proskyneō)
Matthew 2:11 – The Magi worship the infant Jesus:

“On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him” (προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ, prosekynēsan autō). Here, proskyneō is used to show that the Magi regarded the infant Jesus as worthy of honor and worship, which in Jewish tradition would be inappropriate for anyone but God.

You want to change the culture and customs in Jewish traditions?


Matthew 14:33 – The disciples worship Jesus after He calms the storm:

“Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’” (οἱ δὲ ἐν τῷ πλοίῳ προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ, hoi de en tō ploiō prosekynēsan autō). After Jesus demonstrates His power over nature, the disciples recognize His divine authority and respond with worship.

Matthew 28:9 – After the resurrection, the women worship Jesus:

“Suddenly Jesus met them. ‘Greetings,’ he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.” (προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ, prosekynēsan autō). In the context of Jesus’ resurrection, their worship acknowledges His identity as the risen Lord, an act of worship and submission to His authority.

Matthew 28:17 – The disciples worship Jesus after His resurrection:

“When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.” (προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ, prosekynēsan autō). This instance shows the disciples’ reverence for Jesus as the glorified, risen Christ.

John 9:38 – The healed blind man worships Jesus:

“Then the man said, ‘Lord, I believe,’ and he worshiped him.” (καὶ προσεκύνησεν αὐτῷ, kai prosekynēsen autō). After being healed, the man’s response of worship further reveals his belief in Jesus as more than a prophet—he recognizes Jesus as divine.

Related Hebrew Context in the Old Testament
In Hebrew, the word שָׁחָה (shachah) is often used to denote worship, as in bowing down or revering God. This is seen in passages like Exodus 20:5 and Deuteronomy 6:13, where shachah is directed solely toward God.

In the Greek Septuagint translation, shachah is often translated as proskyneō, emphasizing that worship is due only to God. Jesus’ acceptance of proskyneō in the Gospels implies that He is indeed recognized and treated as divine, aligning with the Hebrew understanding that true worship is directed solely to God.

In summary, these passages, using proskyneō, indicate that Jesus received acts of worship-something that, in Jewish tradition, was exclusively reserved for God. This serves as a strong testament to His divinity and the acknowledgment of His authority as the Son of God.


Give it up @Runningman.

J.

 

[civic]

In the New Testament, numerous Greek passages show that Jesus received worship (Greek: προσκυνέω, proskyneō), a term denoting reverence or worship often reserved for deity. While the Old Testament was written primarily in Hebrew, the Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament also uses proskyneō to describe worship given to God alone. Here are several key examples from the Gospels where Jesus receives proskyneō, highlighting His divine status.

Key Greek Examples of Jesus Receiving Worship (proskyneō)
Matthew 2:11 – The Magi worship the infant Jesus:

“On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him” (προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ, prosekynēsan autō). Here, proskyneō is used to show that the Magi regarded the infant Jesus as worthy of honor and worship, which in Jewish tradition would be inappropriate for anyone but God.

You want to change the culture and customs in Jewish traditions?


Matthew 14:33 – The disciples worship Jesus after He calms the storm:

“Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’” (οἱ δὲ ἐν τῷ πλοίῳ προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ, hoi de en tō ploiō prosekynēsan autō). After Jesus demonstrates His power over nature, the disciples recognize His divine authority and respond with worship.

Matthew 28:9 – After the resurrection, the women worship Jesus:

“Suddenly Jesus met them. ‘Greetings,’ he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.” (προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ, prosekynēsan autō). In the context of Jesus’ resurrection, their worship acknowledges His identity as the risen Lord, an act of worship and submission to His authority.

Matthew 28:17 – The disciples worship Jesus after His resurrection:

“When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.” (προσεκύνησαν αὐτῷ, prosekynēsan autō). This instance shows the disciples’ reverence for Jesus as the glorified, risen Christ.

John 9:38 – The healed blind man worships Jesus:

“Then the man said, ‘Lord, I believe,’ and he worshiped him.” (καὶ προσεκύνησεν αὐτῷ, kai prosekynēsen autō). After being healed, the man’s response of worship further reveals his belief in Jesus as more than a prophet—he recognizes Jesus as divine.

Related Hebrew Context in the Old Testament
In Hebrew, the word שָׁחָה (shachah) is often used to denote worship, as in bowing down or revering God. This is seen in passages like Exodus 20:5 and Deuteronomy 6:13, where shachah is directed solely toward God.

In the Greek Septuagint translation, shachah is often translated as proskyneō, emphasizing that worship is due only to God. Jesus’ acceptance of proskyneō in the Gospels implies that He is indeed recognized and treated as divine, aligning with the Hebrew understanding that true worship is directed solely to God.

In summary, these passages, using proskyneō, indicate that Jesus received acts of worship-something that, in Jewish tradition, was exclusively reserved for God. This serves as a strong testament to His divinity and the acknowledgment of His authority as the Son of God.


Give it up @Runningman.

J.

yes its obvious the Son is and was worshiped in the past and present.

 

[TomL]

Worshipping doesn't imply someone is a god or God because fundamentally, it's just means bowing down in the contexts you Jesus was bowed to. Kings can be worshipped (bowed down to) and people of rank/status like Jesus is. Are humans kings Lord God Almighty? Not at all, but can they be worshipped in a way so as to pay honor, homage, and respect to them with without committing idolatry? Yes absolutely.

So you have what is known as a category error and a false equivalency based on bad reason and bad logic. To prove it, I will show you that Jesus doesn't get any of God's exclusive worship in Scripture. You seem like a smart person and you don't want to be an idolator, but you are. I also think you would be willing to change once you're shown that Jesus only ever taught his followers to worship God, aka the Father, but not to worship him.

Case in point, Jesus is not God because there are no teachings or commands to worship him and the true worshippers don't worship Jesus anyway. The true worshippers only worship the Father in spirit and truth.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

Will you deal with the point

Worship of a creature is blasphemy.

Angel's did not accept it Jesus did

And seeing as the apostles worshiped him your claim is a lie

Matthew 28:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Matthew 28:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

 

[TomL]

John 4 says the true worships worship the Father. Don't nuke it. It simply means Jesus isn't God. No one was ever taught to worship Jesus is spirit and truth.

John 4 KJV
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Angel who are greater than man were told

Hebrews 1:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

 

[Fred]

John 4 says the true worships worship the Father.

The same Greek word for worship is used in reference to Jesus in John 9:38.

Don't nuke it.

Your doctrine is puke.

 

[Runningman]

The same Greek word for worship is used in reference to Jesus in John 9:38.




Your doctrine is puke.

Yet we still have John 4 with the only instruction on worship for Christians for it to be to the Father only.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”