The Issue of Limited Atonement

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Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christ ONLY died for the elect:

Limited atonement is unbiblical

1-He died for ALL (1 Tim. 2:6).

2-He died for ALL MEN (Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10).

3-He died for US ALL, for ALL OF US (Isa. 53:6).

4-He died for the UNGODLY (Rom. 5:6).

5-He died for CHRIST-DENIERS (2 Peter 2:1).

6-He died for SINNERS (Rom. 5:8).

7-He died for EVERY MAN (Heb. 2:9).

8-He died for MANY not few (Matthew 20:28).

9-He died for the WORLD (John 6:33,51;
John 1:29 and John 3:16).

10-He died for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2).

11-He died for the WHOLE NATION of Israel (John 11:50-51).

12-He died for the CHURCH (Eph. 5:25).

13-He died for His SHEEP (John 10:11).

14-He died for ME (Gal. 2:20).

hope this helps !!!

 

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The key to understanding the Gospel that Paul preached, and Limited atonement, meaning that even though the proclamation of the Gospel isn't limited in its scope, for it should be preached to all the world, over the the entire globe, yet the atonement is limited to whom its beneficiaries are for, its only for a foreknown elect people. It was pictured and typed in Gods chosen earthly national people Israel, and when it came to the redemptive things of God, it was only for Israel, and not the other estranged peoples of the earth. so they had a high priest for the benefit of the people Heb 2 16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

And so it must be understood, that when Paul preached that Christ died for OUR SINS He died as a Faith High Priest, and it was to make reconciliation for the sins of a very specific people. The People in Vs 17 in the greek has the definite article

ὅθεν ὤφειλεν κατὰ πάντα τοῖς ἀδελφοῖς ὁμοιωθῆναι ἵνα ἐλεήμων γένηται καὶ πιστὸς ἀρχιερεὺς τὰ πρὸς τὸν θεόν εἰς τὸ ἱλάσκεσθαι τὰς ἁμαρτίας τοῦ λαοῦ

Also sins has the definite article, the sins of a definite, particular people and for their particular sins.

Thats who Paul means in 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Now did Christ die according to scripture as the Merciful and Faithful High Priest of the people ?

(1 John 2:2) He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

John makes it clearer, in a later Epistle of his, that the Atonement is not just for believers but for the whole world. So, you can now dispense with your limited Atonement heresy.

 

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(1 John 2:2) He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

John makes it clearer, in a later Epistle of his, that the Atonement is not just for believers but for the whole world. So, you can now dispense with your limited Atonement heresy.

Amen watch him twist that passage into a theological pretzel

 

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Amen watch him twist that passage into a theological pretzel

That's only possible with dirt poor language skills and with blatant ill-conceived conflations that anyone with elementary language skills can easily see through.

Someone should do an English language skills test on all TULIP believers. The results would reveal a lot.

 

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His Death limited to the House of David

Zech 13:1

In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

The Seed of David see Ps 89

Rom 1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

This House of David and Inhabitants of Jerusalem are the elect, typified !

 

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His Death limited to the House of David

Zech 13:1

In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

The Seed of David see Ps 89

Rom 1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

This House of David and Inhabitants of Jerusalem are the elect, typified !

Nothing there about elect another failure.

 

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(1 John 2:2) He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

John makes it clearer, in a later Epistle of his, that the Atonement is not just for believers but for the whole world. So, you can now dispense with your limited Atonement heresy.

You cant find anything according to scripture that teaches unlimited atonement. 1 Jn 2:2 teaches limited atonement, Christ intercedes for that whole world because He is its advocate 1 Jn 2:1 thats a defense attorney saying His clients are not guilty, thats true of Gods elect Rom 8:33-34


33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

So do you think Christ is in heaven pleading the innocence/justification of people yet guilty and condemned ? So nobody in that whole wide world of 1 Jn 2:2 is condemned, guilty. Now if you believe in universalism then you interpret 1 Jn 2:2 the whole world as every single person in the world, which it doesnt say.

John makes it clearer, in a later Epistle of his, that the Atonement is not just for believers but for the whole world.

False, he makes it clear that its just not for jewish believers.

 

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From scripture which Paul preached the Gospel from 1 Cor 15:1-4

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Now according to scripture, there is only one people promised to be Justified in the Lord, Isa 45:24-25

24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

The see of Israel is Gods Elect, not just ethnic jews only but gentiles are included in this seed of israel

So when we read for example Rom 5:1,9

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

This is of the seed of Israel as promised in the scripture Isa 45:24-25

 

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Restricted Redemption
Elder O. B. Mink
Now In Glory

“Ipray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which Thou hast given me; for they are Thine”(John17:9).​

Itis unequivocally clear from the words of Christ in the above text and context that there is a people for whom He did not and would not pray. John seventeen (17) is the priestly or mediatorial prayer ofJesus whereby He intercedes for the “many”whom the Father had given Him in the covenant of eternal redemption(verse 2).
In His sinless humanity or as the perfect man, Jesus prayed for His enemies, but all the functions of His mediatorial office were restricted to only those whom He substitutively represented on the cross. Speaking of His redemptive blood, Christ said: It “... is shed for many for the remission of sins”(Matthew 26:28).


Quantitatively, the “many” whose sins Jesus bore in His body on the tree is notthe Adamic family, and only by forcing the term (“many”)and obliterating its restrictive significance can it be made to accommodate the general atonement theory.


Christsaid, “...The scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35).However, He did not say they could not be wrested, twisted, or distorted. Peter said, the “unlearned and unstable wrest”the scriptures to “their own destruction” (II Peter3:16). The natural man, to whom all scripture is utter foolishness (I Corinthians 2:14), has not only perverted God’ sword in making the sacrificial blood of Christ to be the indiscriminate offering for all mankind, but from his desperately wicked heart he has compounded his foolishness by teaching that mans’eternal destiny is determined by his own volitional power.


The salvational efficacy theory of the will of fallen man is exceedingly pleasing to his intellectual palate, yea, it is his most relished doctrine, but in the end it will be more bitter than gall, and he will in vain try to spew it out of his mouth. “Bread of deceit is sweet to a man, but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel” (Proverbs20:17).


The unrestricted redemptionists are long on believeism, but are fatally short on Bible. Their error is Satan’s dye by which he attempts to bedim the color of God’s plenary and inspired fabric of truth, and thereby keep his dupes confused and use them to confound others and compound their own guilt. Yet, the word of God remains untainted, and that inerrent and immutable word, says: “... The good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep” (John 10:11).


Metephorically speaking, Christ died for His sheep and for His wheat. Realistically speaking, Christ died for His “many sons”. Goats never become sheep, tares never become wheat, and the children of the devil never become the children of God (John 8:44; 10:11; Hebrews2:10). Christ said to the self salvationists of His day: “Ye believe not because ye are not of My sheep” (John 10:26).They were perfectly content with their supposed scheme of redemption, and Christ knowing the irreconcilable and absolute depravity of their hearts said unto them: “Ye will not come to Me that ye might have life” (John 5:40).

Restricted Redemption : O. B. Mink