The Issue of Limited Atonement

[brightfame52]

Sorry, that is called eisegesis

There is no mention of the elect here, nor does the term elect define the terms used

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Will you ever believe scripture?

The atonement is limited to them Christ died for and saved them by obtaining for them eternal redemption Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

 

[TomL]

The atonement is limited to them Christ died for and saved them by obtaining for them eternal redemption Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Christ died for all. The benefit of the atonement, however, is applied to only those who believe.

Heb 9:12 The US references believers

 

[TomL]

@TomL

Tom, I have answered your scriptures a few times over last year, and all you do is post them again as though they went unanswered. I would be happy to do so again, only if you would address my answers of those scriptures that you post over and over again. I'll address them alter today, if time permits, but for sure by tomorrow~no problem.

Not that I have seen and you certainly do not do so here

Tom, I'm not a typical Calvinist, as you should know, but will know once I begin to post answering your weak arguments. Shedd is a half baked Calvinist, I have never read very much of his writings, because he not much different than the average Armenians.

Shedd is a well-received Calvinist, and he is quite biblical here.

And you have done is assumed a view of atonement and posited an argument raised by Owen.

 

[TomL]

That not what the verse says. It says God is reconciling the world, every person who has ever lived according to some, to Himself. The only person mentioned in this verse is God. Is He succesful?

Sorry but it is exactly what it states

God has reconciled the world to himself. It is now up to those in the world to be reconciled.

2 Corinthians 5:19–20 (NASB95) — 19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

He is successful in what he accomplished. However as the text shows there remains the need for each man to be reconciled

 

[Presby02]

Sorry but it is exactly what it states

God has reconciled the world to himself. It is now up to those in the world to be reconciled.

2 Corinthians 5:19–20 (NASB95) — 19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

He is successful in what he accomplished. However as the text shows there remains the need for each man to be reconciled

Okay then the world is reconciled. Every last person. Everyone is saved. He does not count their trespasses against them or the whole world.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for all. The benefit of the atonement, however, is applied to only those who believe.

Heb 9:12 The US references believers

The all Christ died for it obtained eternal redemption for, they are saved from the penalty of sin Heb 9:12


12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Now I hope you realize everyone isnt delivered from the penalty of their sins. See redemption here lutrósis:

(in the Old Testament: ransoming from imprisonment for debt, or from slavery, release from national misfortune, etc.), liberation, deliverance, release. specifically, redemption from the penalty of sin: Hebrews 9:12.

So you either #1 accept limited effectual saving atonement or #2 promote universalism or #3 deny the saving effect of Christs death. Take your pick

 

[brightfame52]

Another scripture that points out the limited atonement for a particular people, the Spiritual House of David Zech 13:1

In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

To it Jesus is the raised up horn of salvation according to the scriptures Lk 1:68-70

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

This is Gospel Truth Paul preached Acts 13:34

And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

 

[civic]

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