The Issue of Limited Atonement
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brightfame52
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Lets see what happens with me and you on Judgment Day hows that ?
civic
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brightfame52
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okay. and how long does it live after that ? Out of water
praise_yeshua
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Odd how you would prove you're in the flesh....
You do know that the same man wrote to those at Corinth long before he ever wrote those words you're referencing to Rome.....
Remember?
1Co_3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
praise_yeshua
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I don't want you to be judged harshly. Would you want harsh judgement for me?
praise_yeshua
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If you live after the flesh you will die. Doesn't mean you can't live in the flesh. Just means, there is a limit. You're witnessing to this yourself.
civic
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like a fish out of water
brightfame52
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why ?
Yes and they werent in the flesh, they were in the Spirit because the Spirit dwelt in them right ? 1 Cor 6 19
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
So they werent in the flesh as them in Rom 8:8 since Vs 9 states
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
So you make my point even stronger.
If a believer with the Spirit can be carnal and not please God, where does that leave the unregenrate without the Spirit, and has a carnal mind against God
brightfame52
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Yes if you never are regenerated ye will die eternally, no matter how hard you try to please God in the flesh
synergy
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So you are finally convinced that Rom 8:8 is Paul warning his believing audience against choosing to be in the flesh rather than being in the Spirit.
Keep sending us more Calvinism-destroying verses like Rom 8:8. Don't stop now.
brightfame52
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Im saying what I have been saying for the last 4 decades , Rom 8:8
synergy
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If you've been saying, during those 4 decades, that Paul's believing audience is presently in the Spirit (verse 9) but they are being warned against being in the flesh (verse 8), then that's good. You've got Rom 8:12-13 to back you up because Paul says the same thing there a 2nd time. If you haven't been communicating Paul's message properly then it's never too late to start doing so now.
Just keep forwarding Calvinist-slaying verses like you've been doing now.
brightfame52
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Im saying them in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God
And guess what ? The unregenrate are in the flesh
FreeInChrist
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TheAramaicScriptures.com
The Holy Aramaic Scriptures: With a literal English translation and transliteration of The Eastern Peshitta New Testament Text, such as given in The Khabouris Codex.
www.thearamaicscriptures.com
Different strokes... I do like the Peshitta. This like is the one that I use when I type in Peshitta it comes up. It lines up with all the main translations we commonly read and and when someone starts in about assorted translations I just post from it frankly, to be different.
civic
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Jesus was flesh. The Word became FLESH- John 1:14. He was called God manifest in the FLESH. 1 Timothy 3:16. The spirit of antichrist denies Jesus came in the flesh 1 John 4:2-3 and remains in the flesh continuously - 2 John 1:7.
hope this helps !!!
brightfame52
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Are you saying Jesus could say as Paul Rom 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
synergy
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Guess what? Paul's audience is believers
who are presently in the Spirit (verse 9) but they are being warned against being in the flesh (verse 8). Rom 8:12-13 backs that up if you have 2nd thoughts about those facts.
Keep those Calvinism-slaying verses coming!
@FreeInChrist
Isaiah 28: 8,9 ~ “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:”
And then the spiritual puzzle will come together, for those who in sincerity, and a love for the truth shall be able to see clearly.
Romans 1:7 ~ “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
1st Corinthians 1:21 ~ “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”
God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them "THAT BELIEVE", meaning, to save them in a practical sense, not in a regenerate sense, since that is a work done by God's Spirit alone when they are quickened from the dead to life in Jesus Christ. The life of a child of God is a life of growing in grace and KNOWLEDGE of the truth as it is in Jesus Christ. All of God's elect spend their days learning who they are, and what God has done for them through His only begotten Son. We never stop learning, but will spend our whole journey here below preparing us for that day when we shall behold him whom our soul loveth, whom we have heard of by the hearing of the ear, but one day shall see with our eyes, and the foolishness of preaching the gospel is preparing us for that day, so in this sense, we are being saved daily by reading, seeking, praying and gaining more understanding of the purpose as to who we are and where we are going. One day we will say just as Job did:
Job 42:5 ~ “I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.”
2nd Timothy 2:10 ~ “Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.”
Who did Paul endure all things for? Not for the reprobates, but for the elect's sake, that they may obtain the salvation (practical speaking) which is in Jesus Christ. Pretty clear if you ask me.
When compare with all scriptures, especially so its twin scriptures recorded for us in 1st Corinthians 1:17-31, then it fits perfectly as it should, since the bible is one cohesive whole teaching the same truth form one scripture to the next, when Isaiah 28 is followed.
Isaiah 28: 8,9 ~ “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:”
And then the spiritual puzzle will come together, for those who in sincerity, and a love for the truth shall be able to see clearly.
None of the word of God is addressed to the unregenerate! It does speak about the wicked but they are not addressed to them, personally.
Romans 1:7 ~ “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
It make perfect sense. Listen carefully to Paul's words:
1st Corinthians 1:21 ~ “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”
God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them "THAT BELIEVE", meaning, to save them in a practical sense, not in a regenerate sense, since that is a work done by God's Spirit alone when they are quickened from the dead to life in Jesus Christ. The life of a child of God is a life of growing in grace and KNOWLEDGE of the truth as it is in Jesus Christ. All of God's elect spend their days learning who they are, and what God has done for them through His only begotten Son. We never stop learning, but will spend our whole journey here below preparing us for that day when we shall behold him whom our soul loveth, whom we have heard of by the hearing of the ear, but one day shall see with our eyes, and the foolishness of preaching the gospel is preparing us for that day, so in this sense, we are being saved daily by reading, seeking, praying and gaining more understanding of the purpose as to who we are and where we are going. One day we will say just as Job did:
Job 42:5 ~ “I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.”
To say you are in the dark would be a very mild rebuke, yet I'll leave it with that saying. The only people living that I can share truth with, are those who have faith, it is impossible to share truth, even the smallest truth, with a person who is not yet born of God, to them it would be pure foolishness, not worth their time to even consider, beside they would be ashamed for their worldly friends seeing them seeking to know the truth, since most of the world believes such things are for men who are not able to rise to the level of their wisdom and might and must depend of such a fairy tale story as the only means for them to excel an have something better than what they now have. I know men, I have lived in this world for almost 80 years, and know what I'm talking about. This evil and wicked sin of being ashamed even labors to works in the heart of God's children, to our own shame, if we are honest with ourselves.
@FreeInChrist do you not know that even God's elect do not believe certain truths, and we labor to help them to SEE truths that even they fight against! Time will not allow me to go into Romans 10:1-13, but I could if need to. For now I will only say this:
2nd Timothy 2:10 ~ “Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.”
Who did Paul endure all things for? Not for the reprobates, but for the elect's sake, that they may obtain the salvation (practical speaking) which is in Jesus Christ. Pretty clear if you ask me.
This calls for a separate post that I will do later, since time and space will not allow me to do so now, but, trust me, I will, and truly looking forward to do so ~ laboring for the elect's sake that they may truly be saved from the many corrupt teachings that is in the world in these last days. May God be pleased to bless this post to the comfort, joy, peace, and understanding of his people is our sincere prayer to the glory of His own name sake.
FreeInChrist
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Red I have family house guests until tomorrow... I will reply to you some time tomorrow
