The Importance of Obedience in Knowing God

Hi Doug

True repentance and forgiveness equals salvation. Because we can't think in people who have genuinely repented and got forgiveness from God, and are not saved... nor can we think in people who have not repented, have not been forgiven, and are in the presence of God.

If you agree with me in principle with this concept, then we have numerous examples in the Scriptures of people who repented and were forgiven without any mention of the ritual of baptism.
Before Jesus died (in which He sealed His covenant and made it unchangeable) He was able to forgive sin for whatever act of faith He chose to accept, and there are many examples of this. But after His death, there is only one way to receive forgiveness of sin, and that is through obedience to His commands. Just repenting does not bring about forgiveness. Forgiveness is received through the surrender of baptism as is stated explicitly in Rom 6:1-7 and Col 2:11-14. All the people saved by Jesus before His death were saved under the Old Covenant.
 
Before Jesus died (in which He sealed His covenant and made it unchangeable) He was able to forgive sin for whatever act of faith He chose to accept, and there are many examples of this. But after His death, there is only one way to receive forgiveness of sin, and that is through obedience to His commands. Just repenting does not bring about forgiveness. Forgiveness is received through the surrender of baptism as is stated explicitly in Rom 6:1-7 and Col 2:11-14. All the people saved by Jesus before His death were saved under the Old Covenant.

Before Jesus death John the Baptist baptized and Jesus disciples themselves baptized for the remission of sins. So, the ritual existed.
Why then Jesus did not put as a condition to be forgiven that the sinner was baptized?
Or why didn't Jesus say that, after his death, the conditions for salvation would be going to change?

Jesus established love as his distinctive command, that which would tell who is his disciple and who is not.
If you accept that Sabbath was a symbol, and the animal sacrifices were a symbol ,and circumcision was a symbol, and sharing the bread and wine at the Supper of the Lord was a symbol, why wouldn't you accept that baptism is a symbol?

If the blood of animals had no power at all to erase sins, why don't you accept that the water of baptism has no power to erase sins?
 
Before Jesus death John the Baptist baptized and Jesus disciples themselves baptized for the remission of sins. So, the ritual existed.
No, John baptized for repentance. Not for the remission of sins.
Why then Jesus did not put as a condition to be forgiven that the sinner was baptized?
Or why didn't Jesus say that, after his death, the conditions for salvation would be going to change?
They didn't change. He told Nicodemus in John 3:5 that one cannot enter the Kingdom of God except by being born again by water and the Spirit. But as with wills written by rich people today, up until their death they can make changes to their will, or dispense with their goods however they choose. So too, Jesus could dispense His forgiveness however He chose to before His death. But after His death, His will (as written in the Bible) holds sway, and cannot be changed.
Jesus established love as his distinctive command, that which would tell who is his disciple and who is not.
If you accept that Sabbath was a symbol, and the animal sacrifices were a symbol ,and circumcision was a symbol, and sharing the bread and wine at the Supper of the Lord was a symbol, why wouldn't you accept that baptism is a symbol?
It is a symbol, but Scripture tells us that it is also the point in time at which we receive salvation. It is not the cause of our salvation; the Blood of Jesus is the cause. But it is the act of faith during which God has said we receive His forgiveness.
If the blood of animals had no power at all to erase sins, why don't you accept that the water of baptism has no power to erase sins?
It is not the water that removes our sins, as Peter tells us in 1 Pet 3:21. It is the Holy Spirit who, because of our faith in Jesus, removes our sins during baptism (Col 2:11-14). We die to sin during baptism (Rom 6:1-7) and are united to Jesus in His death and resurrection. It is in baptism that we receive the effects of the Blood of Jesus to remove our sins.
 
Before Jesus died (in which He sealed His covenant and made it unchangeable) He was able to forgive sin for whatever act of faith He chose to accept, and there are many examples of this. But after His death, there is only one way to receive forgiveness of sin, and that is through obedience to His commands. Just repenting does not bring about forgiveness. Forgiveness is received through the surrender of baptism as is stated explicitly in Rom 6:1-7 and Col 2:11-14. All the people saved by Jesus before His death were saved under the Old Covenant.
One must understand forgiveness of sins in relation to the atonement for sin.

Purification for sin
- καθαρισμός- katharismos: a cleansing, purifying, purification, expiation. Strongs 2512.

Thayers: a cleansing from the guilt of sins (see καθαρίζω, 1 b. β.): wrought now by baptism, 2 Peter 1:9, now by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ, Hebrews 1:3 on which cf. Kurtz, Commentary, p. 70; (Exodus 30:10; τῆς ἁμαρτίας μου, Job 7:21; of an atonement, Lucian, asin. 22)

Hebrews 1:3-And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Purification for sin is in the blood of Christ in the Atonement

Matthew 26:26-29

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Hebrews 9:22
Because all things are purged by blood in The Written Law, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Leviticus 4:20,26,35
And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them

Leviticus 6:7
And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein.

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your souls upon the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.

Hebrews 9
Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2 A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand and the table with its consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now. 6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. 9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

The forgiveness of sins is found only in the blood of Christ- His life which He gave as a sacrifice for sin. That is the heart of the Atonement. It is what the New Covenant is found upon His blood, His life which was given for our sins. Forgiveness is only found in His blood that He gave His life on our behalf. That is how are sins are removed and taken away. That is what the Law required for sin was the blood of the animal sacrifice.

There is no "punishment" above anywhere. There is a sacrifice provided which covers and provides forgiveness of sins. The entire book of Hebrews is built upon the OT Law and how it is fulfilled in Christ.

Jesus said He gave His life as a Ransom . Strongs 3038- Lutron λύτρον. the purchasing money for manumitting slaves, a ransom, the price of ransoming; especially the sacrifice by which expiation is effected, an offering of expiation. Thayers: λύτρον, λύτρου, τό (λύω), the Sept. passim for כֹּפֶר, גְּאֻלָּה, פִּדְיון, etc.; the price for redeeming, ransom (paid for slaves, Leviticus 19:20; for captives, Isaiah 45:13; for the ransom of a life, Exodus 21:30; Numbers 35:31f): ἀντί πολλῶν, to liberate many from the misery and penalty of their sins, Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45. (Pindar, Aeschylus, Xenophon, Plato, others.)

Matthew 20:28- just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many

hilastērion – the atonement is received by Faith.

Romans 3:25

God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished. NIV

Romans 3:25
whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. ESV

The Atonement is received by faith. The offering of the Atonement for sin cannot be obtained apart from faith. The atonement for sin has been made and it cannot be applied to mankind apart from faith. Jesus has made an atonement for sin but it produces no reconciliation, no pardon from sin, no remission of sin unless is accepted or received by faith.

hope this helps !!!
 
No, John baptized for repentance. Not for the remission of sins.
God forgives the sins of those who have repented. It is all over the Scripture.
He does not reject a contrite, broken spirit.
So, those who came to John the Baptist with a contrite, broken spirit, were forgiven.
So, it seems artificial to separate "repentance" from "remission of sins".
There is not a single example in the Bible of a person who repented with a contrite, broken heart and did not obtain the mercy of God.

They didn't change. He told Nicodemus in John 3:5 that one cannot enter the Kingdom of God except by being born again by water and the Spirit. But as with wills written by rich people today, up until their death they can make changes to their will, or dispense with their goods however they choose. So too, Jesus could dispense His forgiveness however He chose to before His death. But after His death, His will (as written in the Bible) holds sway, and cannot be changed.
Forgiveness is a key teaching of Jesus.
He spent time to explain and describe how God forgave sins. There are at least 3 parables and several statements that address the topic directly.
He never ever explained that, after his death God would "change the terms of His will" (demand different things from the sinner).

To me, there is no point in having recorded the teachings and acts of Jesus in the gospels, and no point in learning from them, thinking that they would expire some months later.
 
One must understand forgiveness of sins in relation to the atonement for sin.

The Atonement is received by faith
. The offering of the Atonement for sin cannot be obtained apart from faith. The atonement for sin has been made and it cannot be applied to mankind apart from faith. Jesus has made an atonement for sin but it produces no reconciliation, no pardon from sin, no remission of sin unless is accepted or received by faith.

hope this helps !!!
Your conclusion is absolutely correct. Apart from faith, there is no reconciliation, not pardon from sin, no remission of sin, etc. But as has been pointed out many times, faith is not just intellectual assent. Faith demands action or it is not real, not alive, not effective, and cannot bring salvation, justification, reconciliation, pardon, or remission of sins. Faith includes belief, but it also demands action in response to that belief.
If you really believe the chair will support your weight and give relief to your weary feet, then you will put your butt in the chair and take the weight off your feet. If you don't sit, then you don't really believe. Faith requires both.
If you really believe the man on the tightrope can get you across the gulf in his wheelbarrow, then you will put yourself in the wheelbarrow and trust that he will get you across safely. If you don't put yourself in the wheelbarrow, then you don't really believe. Faith requires both.
If you really believe that Jesus can forgive your sins and accept you into Heaven, then you will do what He says leads to receiving that gift (repentance, confession of Him as Lord, and baptism). If you don't obey Him, then you really don't believe in Him. Faith requires both.
 
God forgives the sins of those who have repented. It is all over the Scripture.
Yes, he requires repentance before forgiveness is given (Acts 3:19), but repentance alone does not convey forgiveness. If it did, Judas would have been forgiven.
He does not reject a contrite, broken spirit.
So, those who came to John the Baptist with a contrite, broken spirit, were forgiven.
So, it seems artificial to separate "repentance" from "remission of sins".
There is not a single example in the Bible of a person who repented with a contrite, broken heart and did not obtain the mercy of God.
Again, Judas. He repented of having betrayed Jesus, but he was not forgiven. Peter also repented, and he was forgiven. Repentance alone does not bring about forgiveness.
Forgiveness is a key teaching of Jesus.
He spent time to explain and describe how God forgave sins. There are at least 3 parables and several statements that address the topic directly.
He never ever explained that, after his death God would "change the terms of His will" (demand different things from the sinner).
Forgiveness is A key, but it is not THE key. There are several key teachings of Jesus, and complete surrender to Him as Lord is the most important. Jesus is the author of salvation not to those who think he is God, not to those who "believe" in Him, but to those who OBEY Him (Heb 5:9).
To me, there is no point in having recorded the teachings and acts of Jesus in the gospels, and no point in learning from them, thinking that they would expire some months later.
They did not "expire". From the very beginning of His ministry, He taught that baptism would be the entry point into His Kingdom (John 3:5). He didn't teach it much during His ministry, but left it to the Apostles to teach and perform. But the fact of it is clear in Acts (2:38, 22:16, 8:36) and in many of Paul's letters (Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 5:26-27), and Peter's first letter (1 Pet 3:21), and in many other places.
 
Your conclusion is absolutely correct. Apart from faith, there is no reconciliation, not pardon from sin, no remission of sin, etc. But as has been pointed out many times, faith is not just intellectual assent. Faith demands action or it is not real, not alive, not effective, and cannot bring salvation, justification, reconciliation, pardon, or remission of sins. Faith includes belief, but it also demands action in response to that belief.
If you really believe the chair will support your weight and give relief to your weary feet, then you will put your butt in the chair and take the weight off your feet. If you don't sit, then you don't really believe. Faith requires both.
If you really believe the man on the tightrope can get you across the gulf in his wheelbarrow, then you will put yourself in the wheelbarrow and trust that he will get you across safely. If you don't put yourself in the wheelbarrow, then you don't really believe. Faith requires both.
If you really believe that Jesus can forgive your sins and accept you into Heaven, then you will do what He says leads to receiving that gift (repentance, confession of Him as Lord, and baptism). If you don't obey Him, then you really don't believe in Him. Faith requires both.
I agree with all the above apart from your inclusion of baptism
 
I agree with all the above apart from your inclusion of baptism
It is not "MY" inclusion of baptism.
1 Pet 3:21 is too clear to ignore. Baptism in water (like the Flood) now saves you. Not by removing dirt from the flesh, but by the request for a clean conscience through the blood of Christ administered by the Holy Spirit.
Rom 6:1-7 is also too clear. We die to sin in baptism, and in baptism are united to Christ by the Holy Spirit to live a new life.
Col 2:11-14 is equally clear. Our sin is cut from us by the Holy Spirit during baptism, and then He unites us with Jesus' death and resurrection.

These are not ambiguous or difficult to understand.
 
It is not "MY" inclusion of baptism.
1 Pet 3:21 is too clear to ignore. Baptism in water (like the Flood) now saves you. Not by removing dirt from the flesh, but by the request for a clean conscience through the blood of Christ administered by the Holy Spirit.
Rom 6:1-7 is also too clear. We die to sin in baptism, and in baptism are united to Christ by the Holy Spirit to live a new life.
Col 2:11-14 is equally clear. Our sin is cut from us by the Holy Spirit during baptism, and then He unites us with Jesus' death and resurrection.

These are not ambiguous or difficult to understand.
No baptism ( the water) didn’t save Noah , the Ark saved them. The water killed everything.
 
No baptism ( the water) didn’t save Noah , the Ark saved them. The water killed everything.
Noah trusted God, so in faith he built the Ark that brought him safely through the water of the Flood.
If we trust God, our faith is our "Ark" that brings us safely through the water of baptism where we are reborn and brought into new relationship with God by the Holy Spirit through the power of the blood of Jesus.
 
Noah trusted God, so in faith he built the Ark that brought him safely through the water of the Flood.
If we trust God, our faith is our "Ark" that brings us safely through the water of baptism where we are reborn and brought into new relationship with God by the Holy Spirit through the power of the blood of Jesus.
Our faith is not the Ark, Christ is. Those placed in Christ are secure in Him. Those who walked through the “ door “ of the Ark were saved. Once God closed that door His wrath/ judgement was upon all outside of the Ark through the flood waters. Christ is the door , the Ark of our salvation. He is the door to the sheepfold.
 
Yes, he requires repentance before forgiveness is given (Acts 3:19), but repentance alone does not convey forgiveness. If it did, Judas would have been forgiven.

Again, Judas. He repented of having betrayed Jesus, but he was not forgiven. Peter also repented, and he was forgiven. Repentance alone does not bring about forgiveness.
Hi, Doug

How did you come to think that Judas displayed a genuine repentance?
If Judas had repented, God would have forgiven him. He would have peace and renovated love for Christ in his heart and instead of committing suicide, he would have fought for the Gospel, as Paul did.

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise. (Psalm 51:17)

There is no example in the Bible of God not forgiving a sinner coming to Him with a contrite, broken heart.
 
Forgiveness is A key, but it is not THE key. There are several key teachings of Jesus, and complete surrender to Him as Lord is the most important. Jesus is the author of salvation not to those who think he is God, not to those who "believe" in Him, but to those who OBEY Him (Heb 5:9).

I see your point, Doug. You believe that since baptism is a commandment from Jesus, it has the same significance as the commandment "Love each other". You want to obey Jesus and that is a noble spiritual pursuit.
However, the whole story of the Old and New Covenant shows us that not all commandments have equal validity. Paul, in particular, "spiritualizes" circumcision, the Sabbath, purity laws and blood atonement.
Rituals are beautiful and useful, but they are also temporary, contingent to circumstance, and lack any intrinsic value.
Jesus also commanded his disciples to follow his example of washing each other's feet. Some Christian churches practice that ritual, some don't, but they don't think they are disobeying Jesus.


They did not "expire". From the very beginning of His ministry, He taught that baptism would be the entry point into His Kingdom (John 3:5).
I was not referring about the expiration of baptism, but the expiration of the requirement of forgiveness, clearly stated by Jesus in at least 3 parables and other statements. Those requirements do not contemplate neither blood atonement, nor baptism.

In regard to John 3:5, Jesus is referring to the new life that a person takes after baptism, not about the ritual itself
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

A person can submerge into water but not be born again of water and the Spirit. It is the "begin born" what enables him to enter the kingdom of God. This is further supported by the teachings of Jesus about who enters the Kingdom in Matthew 5, which ignores baptism altogether.

Rituals are beautiful, useful and should be followed whenever possible, but it is important to keep in mind that no ritual has ever represented a change of mind/heart, or a gate to heaven. Not in the OT, not in the NT.
Pagan cults were linked to the intrinsic power of rituals. Not the religion of God.
 
Our faith is not the Ark, Christ is. Those placed in Christ are secure in Him. Those who walked through the “ door “ of the Ark were saved. Once God closed that door His wrath/ judgement was upon all outside of the Ark through the flood waters. Christ is the door, the Ark of our salvation. He is the door to the sheepfold.
Is He the door? Or is He the Ark? You have said He is both in this post.

Either way, our faith in Christ is how we enter through the door/into the Ark. Without faith we cannot enter into Christ, and be saved. And our faith must conform to what God has told us is required to receive His offer of salvation, repentance, confession, and baptism. As is said in the other verses I cited in post #249, during baptism is when our salvation is actually received, not before.
 
Is He the door? Or is He the Ark? You have said He is both in this post.

Either way, our faith in Christ is how we enter through the door/into the Ark. Without faith we cannot enter into Christ, and be saved. And our faith must conform to what God has told us is required to receive His offer of salvation, repentance, confession, and baptism. As is said in the other verses I cited in post #249, during baptism is when our salvation is actually received, not before.
Yes both the door and the ark
 
Hi, Doug

How did you come to think that Judas displayed a genuine repentance?
If Judas had repented, God would have forgiven him. He would have peace and renovated love for Christ in his heart and instead of committing suicide, he would have fought for the Gospel, as Paul did.

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise. (Psalm 51:17)

There is no example in the Bible of God not forgiving a sinner coming to Him with a contrite, broken heart.
Just having a broken, contrite heart does not result in forgiveness. It is a required step in the right direction, but not one that results in cleansing.
If you take one step into a tar pit covering your foot with tar, and then pull your foot out and turn (repent) and walk another direction your foot is still covered in tar. Just walking a different direction does not remove the tar from your foot. The stain of sin is far more difficult to remove than is tar. Only God can remove it, and He tells us that He removes it during baptism.
I see your point, Doug. You believe that since baptism is a commandment from Jesus, it has the same significance as the commandment "Love each other". You want to obey Jesus and that is a noble spiritual pursuit.
However, the whole story of the Old and New Covenant shows us that not all commandments have equal validity. Paul, in particular, "spiritualizes" circumcision, the Sabbath, purity laws and blood atonement.
Rituals are beautiful and useful, but they are also temporary, contingent to circumstance, and lack any intrinsic value.
Jesus also commanded his disciples to follow his example of washing each other's feet. Some Christian churches practice that ritual, some don't, but they don't think they are disobeying Jesus.
Rituals are temporary? Communion is a "ritual", but it was not commanded as a temporary thing. It, like the Passover which was the shadow and antitype of it, was commanded forever.
Rituals lack any intrinsic value? Communion is commanded as a memorial to Christ, and has great value in that, if it is done improperly it conveys condemnation upon the partaker.

Baptism is the point at which we die to sin (Rom 6:1-7), our sins are cut from us (Col 2:11-14), we are united with Christ, we are saved (1 Pet 3:21), and we enter the Kingdom of God (John 3:5). This "ritual" is very valuable, is done only once but is eternal in its application, and has no contingencies given for "circumstances" that change when it is applicable.
In regard to John 3:5, Jesus is referring to the new life that a person takes after baptism, not about the ritual itself
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

A person can submerge into water but not be born again of water and the Spirit. It is the "begin born" what enables him to enter the kingdom of God. This is further supported by the teachings of Jesus about who enters the Kingdom in Matthew 5, which ignores baptism altogether.
Absolutely a person can be submerged into water and not be born again. The water has no power, nor does it have to be "special" water. It is the faith of the person going into the water that matters, but as 1 Pet 3:21 and John 3:5 make clear, without passing through the water the cleansing does not take place.
Rituals are beautiful, useful and should be followed whenever possible, but it is important to keep in mind that no ritual has ever represented a change of mind/heart, or a gate to heaven. Not in the OT, not in the NT.
Pagan cults were linked to the intrinsic power of rituals. Not the religion of God.
There are numerous examples of a blessing being given only after a commanded action was taken.
The walls of Jericho fell only after the nation of Israel marched around the city silently once per day for six days and then seven times on the seventh day.
Naaman was cleansed of leprosy only after he dipped himself in the Jordan seven times.
The widow, her son, and the prophet were sustained on the flour and oil until the famine ended only after she gave her "last" bit of food to the prophet.
And there are many more.
Each one of these was given a command and a reward if they followed the command. It was in the obedience to the command that the blessing was given.
 
Yes both the door and the ark

Either way, our faith in Christ is how we enter through the door/into the Ark. Without faith we cannot enter into Christ, and be saved. And our faith must conform to what God has told us is required to receive His offer of salvation, repentance, confession, and baptism. As is said in the other verses I cited in post #249, during baptism is when our salvation is actually received, not before.
 
Either way, our faith in Christ is how we enter through the door/into the Ark. Without faith we cannot enter into Christ, and be saved. And our faith must conform to what God has told us is required to receive His offer of salvation, repentance, confession, and baptism. As is said in the other verses I cited in post #249, during baptism is when our salvation is actually received, not before.
I’m 100% on board with faith above with the door and the ark. :)
 
Your conclusion is absolutely correct. Apart from faith, there is no reconciliation, not pardon from sin, no remission of sin, etc. But as has been pointed out many times, faith is not just intellectual assent. Faith demands action or it is not real, not alive, not effective, and cannot bring salvation, justification, reconciliation, pardon, or remission of sins. Faith includes belief, but it also demands action in response to that belief.
If you really believe the chair will support your weight and give relief to your weary feet, then you will put your butt in the chair and take the weight off your feet. If you don't sit, then you don't really believe. Faith requires both.
If you really believe the man on the tightrope can get you across the gulf in his wheelbarrow, then you will put yourself in the wheelbarrow and trust that he will get you across safely. If you don't put yourself in the wheelbarrow, then you don't really believe. Faith requires both.
If you really believe that Jesus can forgive your sins and accept you into Heaven, then you will do what He says leads to receiving that gift (repentance, confession of Him as Lord, and baptism). If you don't obey Him, then you really don't believe in Him. Faith requires both.
Faith? There is no requirement of faith in the Abraham and Mosaic covenants.
And the New Covenant is only the Mosaic covenant fulfilled by Christ. There is no requirement of faith in this covenant either as it is atonement performed by the act of God to and for His covenant people, the children and House of Israel and Judah (referring to the northern and southern kingdom tribes in Israel's history.)

God saves merely on His Promise to save and He saves only His covenant people based on His Promise to Abraham.
 
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