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so, we can take this as you cannot find that scripture as to the Father sitting on the throne. but listen,Where are you going to run?
Revelation 4:11 – Understanding the Greek Text
The verse in Greek:
"Ἄξιος εἶ, ὁ Κύριος καὶ ὁ Θεὸς ἡμῶν, λαβεῖν τὴν δόξαν καὶ τὴν τιμὴν καὶ τὴν δύναμιν, ὅτι σὺ ἔκτισας τὰ πάντα, καὶ διὰ τὸ θέλημά σου ἦσαν καὶ ἐκτίσθησαν."
"λαβεῖν" (labein) – The verb here is aorist active infinitive of λαμβάνω (lambanō), which can mean to receive, to take, or to be acknowledged as worthy of.
The context clarifies that God is not passively "given" power but is worthy of all glory, honor, and power because He is the Creator.
This is not a statement that God "received" power from another being, but that all creation acknowledges His power as intrinsic to His being.
2. The Father Is the Source of All Power (Not a Recipient)
A. The Old Testament Declares God's Omnipotence
Psalm 62:11 (LXX 61:12) – "ἅπαξ ἐλάλησεν ὁ Θεός, δευτέραν ταῦτα ἤκουσα, ὅτι ἡ δύναμις τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐστίν"
"Once God has spoken, twice I have heard this: that power belongs to God."
The Hebrew (לֵ֣אלֹהִ֣ים עֹ֑ז, leʾlōhîm ʿōz) means "strength/power belongs to God," not something He receives.
Isaiah 40:28 – "Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding."
This shows God's infinite, unchanging power (cf. Isaiah 43:13, Isaiah 46:9–10).
B. The New Testament Affirms God's Power Is Innate
Romans 13:1 – "For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."
1 Chronicles 29:11-12 – "Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power (הַגְּבוּרָה, haggevurah), and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty... both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might."
John 19:11 – Jesus says to Pilate: "Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above."
These passages emphasize that all power originates in God. If God received power, then there must be a higher authority than Him—which is impossible.
3. Christ Receives Power in His Messianic Role, Not in His Divine Nature
The reason Christ receives power (e.g., Matthew 28:18, Daniel 7:14) is because, as the Messiah, He took on a mediatorial role in the economy of redemption.
Matthew 28:18 – "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
Greek: ἐδόθη (edothē) – Aorist passive indicative of δίδωμι (didōmi, "to give"), meaning this power is granted in His role as the incarnate Son, not that He lacked it in His divine nature.
Daniel 7:13–14 – "And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages should serve him."
Here, Christ receives authority as the Son of Man, fulfilling His role as the Messianic King.
This granting of power is not a denial of His divine omnipotence, but rather part of the plan of redemption.
4. Scholarly Support
A. A.T. Robertson (Word Pictures in the New Testament, on Rev. 4:11)
"God does not 'receive' power as though He lacked it, but is acknowledged as worthy of power, since He alone is Creator and Sovereign over all things."
B. Richard Bauckham (The Theology of the Book of Revelation)
"Revelation does not suggest that God gains power; rather, the worshipers affirm His absolute sovereignty. The language of receiving power is doxological, not metaphysical."
C. Charles Spurgeon (on Psalm 62:11)
"Power is inherent in God. He does not borrow it, nor is it conferred upon Him; He is the fountain and source of all strength."
Revelation 4:11 does not state that God the Father "received" power from another being, but rather that He is worthy of recognition as the source of all power.
Greek syntax (λαβεῖν, "to receive") in context refers to a declaration of worthiness, not a literal bestowal of power.
The Old Testament and New Testament affirm that all power belongs to God from eternity (Psalm 62:11, Isaiah 40:28, 1 Chronicles 29:11-12, Romans 13:1).
Christ receives power in His role as the Messiah, not because He lacked it in His divine nature (Matthew 28:18, Daniel 7:14).
Scholars confirm that the language in Revelation 4:11 is doxological, affirming God's supreme authority rather than implying He was given power by another.
J.
NOW,
so, you are saying that the Father sits on the throne, well then in authority it's the Lord Jesus. now please explain how the LAMB who is the Lord Jesus stand before the very throne he sits on..... your answer PLEASE."power" from the willing to rule over them.
Repeat, repeat, repeat,,,,
Think "authority".....
101G