The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[Johann]

let's take your list one by one. is Jesus our Lord the Lamb? yes or no. your answer please.

101G

Jesus is our Lord, King, Prophet and Priest-yes.

J.

 

[101G]

The Father is not the Lamb, the Son is the Lamb. There are two on the one throne.

your ... how many ERRORS of the day.... lost count. and for on the throne, there is ONLY ONE, read again, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

so try again,

Last chance is the Lamb the Lord Jesus our Saviour? yes or no.

101G.

 

[101G]

Jesus is our Lord, King, Prophet and Priest-yes.

J.

also the Lamb? let's see what the scriptures say. Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." Revelation 5:2 "And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?" Revelation 5:3 "And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon." Revelation 5:4 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon." Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." let the Lord Jesus scripture teach you.

A. the Lion of Juda? Genesis 49:8 "Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee." Genesis 49:9 "Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?" Genesis 49:10 "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." Genesis 49:11 "Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ***'s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:" Genesis 49:12 "His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk." ..... (smile) and "Shiloh" is the Christ.... Jesus.... out of Judah. oh my too easy.

B. the Root of David? yes, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." that's the Lord Jesus.

C. stood a Lamb as it had been slain. yes, stood, yes, resurrected.... because he had been slain/crucified... self explanatory.

so, the Lord Jesus is the Lamb. so you have the floor to rebut. then we will get your second mistake.

101G

 

[civic]

your ... how many ERRORS of the day.... lost count. and for on the throne, there is ONLY ONE, read again, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

so try again,

Last chance is the Lamb the Lord Jesus our Saviour? yes or no.

101G.

I lost count ( in the hundreds of thousands ) of errors about the God of the Bible that is PLURAL in Persons. Almost every verse about God you have wrong with few exceptions. Keep reading as the are no chapter/verses in the original Greek Rev 5 has both the Father/Son on the one throne receiving equal honor, power, praise and worship of all creation in heaven.

next fallacy.

next question

hope this helps !!!

 

[101G]

Now your second Mistake,
3. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 – The Son’s Subjection to the Father
"For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith, all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under Him." (1 Corinthians 15:27).

AGAIN, NONESENSE, and here's why.
The Term SUBJECT: G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso (hoop-ot-as'-so) v. According to Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English. the Greek word here, G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso, this word is used as a verb, and not a noun. (that will alert one quickly). as a verb one can quickly see, or understand what subject means here in context.
a. put within, b. will. lets look at both and understand this revelation. according to the second definition of subject in the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary as a verb, it means 2. To put under or within the power of. (there is our revelation, “within”, (within the power of). lets back this up with our second understanding. G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso (hoop-ot-as'-so) as a verb which means 1. to subordinate
2. (reflexively) to obey
[from G5259 and G5021]
KJV: be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

please notice, the KJV can translate subject, G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso, as be under obedience, which bring us to our second understanding, (HIS WILL). lets see this in scripture, Matthew 26:42 " He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done”. now here is the revelation. the Lord Jesus is God “OWN” arm, IN FLESH. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 " And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me”. so being his “OWN” arm it is through, or “within” the agency of the Lord Jesus Christ that his, (GOD), OWN “will” is, or to be done, hence the obedience. this is proven out in the definition of G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso itself. the definition also states from G5259 and G5021, lets see what G5259 ὑπό hupo
G5259 ὑπό hupo (hï-po') prep. ὑπ- hup- (hïp-) [shortened prefix] 1. under.
2. (of place, genitive) beneath.
3. (with verbs, genitive) by (i.e. the agency or means).

examine definition #3 above carefully, it said, when used with a verb. there is our conformation, the agency or means,“through”. and “through” is synonyms with “WITHIN”. so when G5259 is use in VERB form, meaning with a verb as in “BE” subject as here in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 then it is understood to be used as the “agency or means, through”. other words Isaiah 63:5 is totally correct and on point when God said, " And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me”. the power is in, or within God “own” arm, which the Lord is, “God’s own arm. that’s all that is needed, the Holy Spirit, (the Revelator) and an old English dictionary like the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary.

that little word "be" before the word "Subject" made all the difference in understanding God Holy Word, get the Holy Spirit as teacher.... ok.

101G.

 

[101G]

I lost count ( in the hundreds of thousands ) of errors about the God of the Bible that is PLURAL in Persons. Almost every verse about God you have wrong with few exceptions. Keep reading as the are no chapter/verses in the original Greek Rev 5 has both the Father/Son on the one throne receiving equal honor, power, praise and worship of all creation in heaven.

next fallacy.

next question

hope this helps !!!

so, we can take this as you cannot answer.... thought so. 101G use to have a little esteem for you intelligent concerning the word of God, but now that has evaporated completely. be well ....

101G.

 

[civic]

so, we can take this as you cannot answer.... thought so. 101G use to have a little esteem for you intelligent concerning the word of God, but now that has evaporated completely. be well ....

101G.

I gave the true and biblical answer from the context of Rev 4-5. Its the same scene in heaven.

next FALLACY.

“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
14The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

same heaven, same throne.

Rev 22
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb ;down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.

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[101G]

Rev 22
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb ;down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.

that is pitiful, God and of the Lamb... that's the same one person, if you're using God as a seperate person, then you now have four persons in the Godhead. listen, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

So, God 1 Person,
Father person #2,
Lamb, Person #3,
Holy Spirit Person #4,.

see how IGNORANT you are. please answer no more. you're going to used the term "GOD" as a person.... my God.

just as God and the Father is the same one PERSO, as with God and the Lamb is the same one person.

my God.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
No one is here to embarrass another... ok, we all are Learning. understand, when what one's been taught and believe... do not line up with the word of God, then one might need to examine what they believe. maybe what you believe have been taught in ERROR.

please listen, an ERROR, or a mistake is not done in deception, only a LIE is to deceive. a mistake or error can be corrected, because it's just an honest mistake, or error. no harm done. but when one refuse to consider this. then one is truly deceived.

101G.

 

[civic]

that is pitiful, God and of the Lamb... that's the same one person, if you're using God as a seperate person, then you now have four persons in the Godhead. listen, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

So, God 1 Person,
Father person #2,
Lamb, Person #3,
Holy Spirit Person #4,.

see how IGNORANT you are. please answer no more. you're going to used the term "GOD" as a person.... my God.

just as God and the Father is the same one PERSO, as with God and the Lamb is the same one person.

my God.

101G.

nope the Father is never referred to as the Lamb. The Father did not sacrifice Himself for our sins, the Son did.

next pitiful fallacy/question.

 

[civic]

To all,
No one is here to embarrass another... ok, we all are Learning. understand, when what one's been taught and believe... do not line up with the word of God, then one might need to examine what they believe. maybe what you believe have been taught in ERROR.

please listen, an ERROR, or a mistake is not done in deception, only a LIE is to deceive. a mistake or error can be corrected, because it's just an honest mistake, or error. no harm done. but when one refuse to consider this. then one is truly deceived.

101G.

the error/deception is coming from your camp 100%.

the Lamb is never referred to as the Father in scripture.

next fallcy

 

[101G]

to all,
4. Your "Greater in Quality or Quantity" Argument Fails

Teaching Scripture: John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I".

This verse have been taken out of context for way to long, and grossly misunderstood. as the word say, in all thy getting get understanding. the word, "GREATER", here in this verse is not the word GREAT, but, "GREATER", it's an Adjective, as used here, and not an Adverb, this is very important. the word GREATER is the Greek word G3187 meizon (meid'-zone) adj.
1. larger (specially, in age)
{literally or figuratively}
[irregular comparative of G3173]
KJV: elder, greater(-est), more Root(s): G3173

Dictionary.com as an Adjective, (of a city) considered with the inclusion of the outer suburbs: Greater London. here, here the definitions are indicating quantity, (MORE), instead of quality, (SUPERIOR).
quantity: "an exact or specified amount or measure". look at these capitalize words above real good, and lets get an understanding.
What did Jesus mean, "The Father is Greater than I", (The Father is Greater than I)
Greater: G3187 meizon (meid'-zone), quality, or quantity. in the book of Romans 12:3 it states, "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith". this verse gives us the understanding of quantity, and quality. every man is the same, (quality), no man is superior to another, so there's no rank. also as with MALES and FEMALES in the kingdom of GOD. the same Spirit is in every man/female. and every man/female is given the same amount or the same quantity of Faith. so likewise, as the same Spirit that manifest in that fleshly body, the nature of the Spirit did not change in quality, only the quantity is limited to that one body, other words his Omni attributes was limited. let’s look at this in John the 14th. chapter. here, the Lord Jesus is speaking of the work of salvation. as the Spirit was in Christ, (the flesh), the man, he was limited, by that fleshly body with BLOOD. the Lord Jesus didn't go into all the world while he was here on earth in flesh and blood. he was limited in his work of salvation, because of that body he was in. but to see this clearly,

watch the WORKS and how it is used. John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father". see that word "greater" here in verse 12. it is the same word, "greater", Jesus uses in verse 28. wait a minute, is Jesus saying that men who believe is GREATER than him in power, (quality), as we been led to assume what greater means? NO. so what is the Lord Jesus really saying, as I have said, GREATER, have several meaning, depending on how you used it, in context or out of context, but let the bible explain itself. with that said, now we are seeing the real use of the word, in context meaning, greater as in quantity, and not in quality. greater used as an adjective, it means, "more" as in more believers to do the SAME quality of work, because it is the Lord who do the work. so now the work he is doing will be a greater number, as in them/us doing the same quality of work he was doing as an individual. more, or greater in quantity, not in quality, because he said, John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works, (there it is), than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father". so we who believe will do the SAME works, but now we have millions of Jesus doing the same quality of works, so greater here means more. let’s look at the answer to this millions of Jesus at work, as we’re co-worker with him. listen, John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it". see it, those who ask in his name, why because he a believer, and if you're a believer, then born again, and being born again, you have the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in you. this work is only for born again believers. because the scripture states, "ask, and it shall be given unto you", but there is a way to ask, because Jesus said "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you". anyone can ask, but if Jesus/Spirit/God abide in you then ask, and it will be done, (and he's not talking about prayer either). that's why baptism is so important. because baptism, "KILLS", meaning stone DEAD. hence one die to the sinful nature, so that the Holy Spirit can come and live in us, and reside/abide in us forever. for you are born of God and his seed remain in you.

now, let’s see those Omni attributes of JESUS, which only God possess. the verse to show them, John 14:14 “If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it". wait a minute, if Christ is in me, and the same Christ is in you, wherever you are. this means that Jesus, #1 must be everywhere at the same time in order to hear your request, and he have to be everywhere at the same time to do the request, remember he said, "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it", so he is doing the work, and if he's doing the work, and he have disciples, in Mobile, Baltimore, New York, Detroit, Dallas, Kansas City, Cairo, Hong Kong, Tokyo, and ect... then Jesus must be Omnipresent to do the work, and, to know which disciple is asking, he must be Omniscient, and, or him to perform what is asked of him by his disciples, he must be Omnipotent. here the Lord Jesus is displaying all the attributes of GOD, why? because he is GOD.

now back to where we left off at. the Lord Jesus, the man didn't go into all the world. but he sent his disciples,
(GREATER in quantity), THAT'S WHY HE GO TO THE FATHER SO THAT HE CAN SEND THE COMFORTER and be in everyone who believes, this is bared out in Jeremiah 23:23 "[Am] I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? 24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD”. this is why I put some so much importance on 1 Corinthians 12:4-6. let’s look at these verse here the quantity, and the quality. 4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all". if you can get these verse in your spirit, you can understand the Work, or the Working, of the Spirit. with the Lord Jesus, as being only one, that's why the scriptures say, "now we're the sons of God", why? because we're his HANDS, and his FEET, to go into all the world, that he didn’t while in the human nature. just as that flesh of God was sent into the world, so are we, (who are of flesh), are sent into all the world. this work is not of angels, (who are spirits, without bodies), remember what Jesus said, "for a spirit have not flesh and bones as I do". are you getting this? they, angles only help us. that's why the angel told Cornelius to send for Peter, See Acts chapter 10.

So Jesus/God/Spirit, the Holy Ghost was in the Apostles, the Prophets, and the disciples, that went into all the world, and they did "GREATER WORKS", only in (quantity), but the same works in (quality), meaning raising the dead, healing the sick, etc......., even now unto this day. see, this is the GREATER work. examples, when Paul step in Greece, and Spain, the Lord Jesus, who sits as high priest, his feet step in Spain when Paul step there, when Peter stepped in Rome, the Lord Jesus step there. because Jesus/God/Spirit was in them, by the Spirit. and when they spoke, it was the Lord Jesus speaking. because Jesus said whoever hear you hear me. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. so when these men who had the Holy Spirit/JESUS/GOD spoke it was the voice of the one in them who was speaking. just as we have been saying, the man/woman is the prophet, but what's in that prophet, that apostle, or that preacher, is prophecy, (Spirit). for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. and the Lord Jesus is testifying, listen, Acts 1:2 "Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen”. no one, man or woman, can preach, teach, instruct, or lead without the Holy Ghost, be ye male or female, bond or free, for it is the voice, the voice that speaketh in you.

so we can clearly see it is the quantity, that is GREATER, not quality, for it is the same, the same , again, the same self Spirit who worketh. now the quality is supportive by definition. G243 allos, and G2087 hetero verify this. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort." as our Lord is in the SAME SORT, meaning class as God, SPIRIT, he is not “quality” different, only “quantity”, hence the “numerical difference” of G243 allos.as for us, one man is the same as another, there is no superiority, (as with God, the Same God, 1 Cor. 12:4-6). get those scriptures in your heart. God is not divided, but is omnipresent, with the gifts in all who believe. for he said, "these signs will follow those who believe". and he gave gifts unto men (male and female). Joel said, 2:28 “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit".

The conclusion on GREATER, it’s either “quality”, or “quantity”. the Scripture is true, John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father". why GREATER? in quality, no servant is above his MASTER, listen, Matthew 10:24 "The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord”. that killed that SUPERIOR ERROR. he goes to the Father, or the heavens, he is glorified, (Spirit), listen. "Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, (in power, Spirit), and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear". what did Jesus say to his disciples on departure? Acts 1:8 "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth". he's no longer on EARTH, in a frail fleshly body, Father or Heavenly Father, means no limitation. now that glorified body is limitless. appearing and disappearing at will. walking thru walls with doors shut. scripture, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". notice what Jesus said, "glorify

thou me with thine own self", and Jesus said don't use no one else, only (spirit). no longer will that flesh be, in corruption, nor in weakness. (see and read 1 Corinthian 15:35-50), but in POWER. "All Power". in heaven and EARTH. Amen. that GLORY, before the World was, all Spirit, then no body (flesh and bones), now Spirit with a body, (for a Spirit have not flesh and bones as I have), but without blood, The Holy Spirit, see Revelation 1:10-20, this is the one who died, the First, (GOD in Flesh), the beginning of the New Creation, (John 1:1). and the Last, (GOD in Glorified Flesh). praise God. the First New Man, and the last or end to the old man. so Greater here is in quantity. Amen.

101G.

 

[civic]

to all,
4. Your "Greater in Quality or Quantity" Argument Fails

Teaching Scripture: John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I".

This verse have been taken out of context for way to long, and grossly misunderstood. as the word say, in all thy getting get understanding. the word, "GREATER", here in this verse is not the word GREAT, but, "GREATER", it's an Adjective, as used here, and not an Adverb, this is very important. the word GREATER is the Greek word G3187 meizon (meid'-zone) adj.
1. larger (specially, in age)
{literally or figuratively}
[irregular comparative of G3173]
KJV: elder, greater(-est), more Root(s): G3173

Dictionary.com as an Adjective, (of a city) considered with the inclusion of the outer suburbs: Greater London. here, here the definitions are indicating quantity, (MORE), instead of quality, (SUPERIOR).
quantity: "an exact or specified amount or measure". look at these capitalize words above real good, and lets get an understanding.
What did Jesus mean, "The Father is Greater than I", (The Father is Greater than I)
Greater: G3187 meizon (meid'-zone), quality, or quantity. in the book of Romans 12:3 it states, "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith". this verse gives us the understanding of quantity, and quality. every man is the same, (quality), no man is superior to another, so there's no rank. also as with MALES and FEMALES in the kingdom of GOD. the same Spirit is in every man/female. and every man/female is given the same amount or the same quantity of Faith. so likewise, as the same Spirit that manifest in that fleshly body, the nature of the Spirit did not change in quality, only the quantity is limited to that one body, other words his Omni attributes was limited. let’s look at this in John the 14th. chapter. here, the Lord Jesus is speaking of the work of salvation. as the Spirit was in Christ, (the flesh), the man, he was limited, by that fleshly body with BLOOD. the Lord Jesus didn't go into all the world while he was here on earth in flesh and blood. he was limited in his work of salvation, because of that body he was in. but to see this clearly,

watch the WORKS and how it is used. John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father". see that word "greater" here in verse 12. it is the same word, "greater", Jesus uses in verse 28. wait a minute, is Jesus saying that men who believe is GREATER than him in power, (quality), as we been led to assume what greater means? NO. so what is the Lord Jesus really saying, as I have said, GREATER, have several meaning, depending on how you used it, in context or out of context, but let the bible explain itself. with that said, now we are seeing the real use of the word, in context meaning, greater as in quantity, and not in quality. greater used as an adjective, it means, "more" as in more believers to do the SAME quality of work, because it is the Lord who do the work. so now the work he is doing will be a greater number, as in them/us doing the same quality of work he was doing as an individual. more, or greater in quantity, not in quality, because he said, John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works, (there it is), than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father". so we who believe will do the SAME works, but now we have millions of Jesus doing the same quality of works, so greater here means more. let’s look at the answer to this millions of Jesus at work, as we’re co-worker with him. listen, John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it". see it, those who ask in his name, why because he a believer, and if you're a believer, then born again, and being born again, you have the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in you. this work is only for born again believers. because the scripture states, "ask, and it shall be given unto you", but there is a way to ask, because Jesus said "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you". anyone can ask, but if Jesus/Spirit/God abide in you then ask, and it will be done, (and he's not talking about prayer either). that's why baptism is so important. because baptism, "KILLS", meaning stone DEAD. hence one die to the sinful nature, so that the Holy Spirit can come and live in us, and reside/abide in us forever. for you are born of God and his seed remain in you.

now, let’s see those Omni attributes of JESUS, which only God possess. the verse to show them, John 14:14 “If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it". wait a minute, if Christ is in me, and the same Christ is in you, wherever you are. this means that Jesus, #1 must be everywhere at the same time in order to hear your request, and he have to be everywhere at the same time to do the request, remember he said, "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it", so he is doing the work, and if he's doing the work, and he have disciples, in Mobile, Baltimore, New York, Detroit, Dallas, Kansas City, Cairo, Hong Kong, Tokyo, and ect... then Jesus must be Omnipresent to do the work, and, to know which disciple is asking, he must be Omniscient, and, or him to perform what is asked of him by his disciples, he must be Omnipotent. here the Lord Jesus is displaying all the attributes of GOD, why? because he is GOD.

now back to where we left off at. the Lord Jesus, the man didn't go into all the world. but he sent his disciples,
(GREATER in quantity), THAT'S WHY HE GO TO THE FATHER SO THAT HE CAN SEND THE COMFORTER and be in everyone who believes, this is bared out in Jeremiah 23:23 "[Am] I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? 24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD”. this is why I put some so much importance on 1 Corinthians 12:4-6. let’s look at these verse here the quantity, and the quality. 4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all". if you can get these verse in your spirit, you can understand the Work, or the Working, of the Spirit. with the Lord Jesus, as being only one, that's why the scriptures say, "now we're the sons of God", why? because we're his HANDS, and his FEET, to go into all the world, that he didn’t while in the human nature. just as that flesh of God was sent into the world, so are we, (who are of flesh), are sent into all the world. this work is not of angels, (who are spirits, without bodies), remember what Jesus said, "for a spirit have not flesh and bones as I do". are you getting this? they, angles only help us. that's why the angel told Cornelius to send for Peter, See Acts chapter 10.

So Jesus/God/Spirit, the Holy Ghost was in the Apostles, the Prophets, and the disciples, that went into all the world, and they did "GREATER WORKS", only in (quantity), but the same works in (quality), meaning raising the dead, healing the sick, etc......., even now unto this day. see, this is the GREATER work. examples, when Paul step in Greece, and Spain, the Lord Jesus, who sits as high priest, his feet step in Spain when Paul step there, when Peter stepped in Rome, the Lord Jesus step there. because Jesus/God/Spirit was in them, by the Spirit. and when they spoke, it was the Lord Jesus speaking. because Jesus said whoever hear you hear me. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. so when these men who had the Holy Spirit/JESUS/GOD spoke it was the voice of the one in them who was speaking. just as we have been saying, the man/woman is the prophet, but what's in that prophet, that apostle, or that preacher, is prophecy, (Spirit). for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. and the Lord Jesus is testifying, listen, Acts 1:2 "Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen”. no one, man or woman, can preach, teach, instruct, or lead without the Holy Ghost, be ye male or female, bond or free, for it is the voice, the voice that speaketh in you.

so we can clearly see it is the quantity, that is GREATER, not quality, for it is the same, the same , again, the same self Spirit who worketh. now the quality is supportive by definition. G243 allos, and G2087 hetero verify this. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort." as our Lord is in the SAME SORT, meaning class as God, SPIRIT, he is not “quality” different, only “quantity”, hence the “numerical difference” of G243 allos.as for us, one man is the same as another, there is no superiority, (as with God, the Same God, 1 Cor. 12:4-6). get those scriptures in your heart. God is not divided, but is omnipresent, with the gifts in all who believe. for he said, "these signs will follow those who believe". and he gave gifts unto men (male and female). Joel said, 2:28 “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit".

The conclusion on GREATER, it’s either “quality”, or “quantity”. the Scripture is true, John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father". why GREATER? in quality, no servant is above his MASTER, listen, Matthew 10:24 "The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord”. that killed that SUPERIOR ERROR. he goes to the Father, or the heavens, he is glorified, (Spirit), listen. "Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, (in power, Spirit), and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear". what did Jesus say to his disciples on departure? Acts 1:8 "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth". he's no longer on EARTH, in a frail fleshly body, Father or Heavenly Father, means no limitation. now that glorified body is limitless. appearing and disappearing at will. walking thru walls with doors shut. scripture, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". notice what Jesus said, "glorify

thou me with thine own self", and Jesus said don't use no one else, only (spirit). no longer will that flesh be, in corruption, nor in weakness. (see and read 1 Corinthian 15:35-50), but in POWER. "All Power". in heaven and EARTH. Amen. that GLORY, before the World was, all Spirit, then no body (flesh and bones), now Spirit with a body, (for a Spirit have not flesh and bones as I have), but without blood, The Holy Spirit, see Revelation 1:10-20, this is the one who died, the First, (GOD in Flesh), the beginning of the New Creation, (John 1:1). and the Last, (GOD in Glorified Flesh). praise God. the First New Man, and the last or end to the old man. so Greater here is in quantity. Amen.

101G.

gobblygook

 

[101G]

to all,
5. The Bible Does Not Support Your Claim That Jesus Takes the Book from Himself

Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals".
In order to understand this book/scroll is to do what was told us, “whatsoever things that was written afore time was written for our learning”. so lets go to the OT. Book of Ezekiel 2:9 & 10 "And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; verse :10 "And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe”. the exact same kind of book here, written within and without, or on the backside, is the same kind of book that was in his RIGHT hand here in revelation 5.

In this book, contained, "lamentations" which are interpreted as the sorrows of the righteous in this world, the passionate expression of grief or sorrow; weeping...as our Lord and saviour said in, Matthew 24:7 & 8 "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Verse 8 "All these are the beginning of sorrows”. "mourning" was in the book, the expression of deep sorrow for someone who has died in this world, and "woe" It is especially pronounced on those who have had privileges and have not answered to them, in this world.

So the book contains thing that is coming, and needs understanding, but the righteous who obey God will not suffer these thing but will witness them, (hence the sorrows). it is important to know that what is to come, God, the Holy Spirit reveal them unto us now in these latter times, and in these time he God, the Holy Spirit “comfort” us his people through all these times. that’s the theme of this chapter, is “to know”, thart God is with us in Spirit, until he returns in person.

NOW TO THE BOOK IN HIS RIGHT HAND.
Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."
In this, “to know”, bring us to why the book is in his “right” hand. This answers another hard bible question which many saints struggle with. if this is the Lord Jesus who is setting on the throne, waiting for the fulfillment of Psalms 110:1, and he as God with “all power”, should he as God should know his return date?. Well that’s a good question, and needs a proper answer.

By the book being in his “Right” hand, it signify his “will” not to know. This is what is called,
“The Godly principle of his divine WILL”
Lets explain. First, we must understand why the Lord Jesus don’t know his return date. The answer is simple, it’s the first mystery we will examine, which is the principle of the divine act of his will, meaning “A WILL NOT TO KNOW”. let’s understand this “will” not to know principle. scripture, Matthew 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth”. hold it, how can one not know what both of theirs OWN hands are doing, since they are both your hands. but I have a will, and I will not to know what one of my own hands are doing or not. Let me give you an example of this. sometimes people may come to A PASTOR/PRIEST, or maybe this could be you, they come in confidentiality, (a friend), about something. What THE PASTOR/PRIEST do is file it in the back of THEIR mind, (AS 101g DO), and will not to remember it until that person bring it to IN 101G's CASE, my memory. So it’s an act of one's own will, I “WILL” not to remember what they told me in order not to say anything to anyone else about it, even if by accident. So I will it NOT to remember what they told me. But let’s see this principle on the Godly scale that I just used, but now by the almighty God himself, using the same principle found in Matthew 6:3. Scripture, Jeremiah 31:31-34 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more”. God said that he would “NOT” REMEMBER our sin no more. HOLD IT, STOP the PRESS, how can almighty God not remember? Do he not know everything? Yes, but what is the answer here? because he chooses, by his "will" not to remember, it’s an ACT of his WILL not to know. This is the Godly principle of not remembering something. This is an ACT of the divine “WILL” of God, he wills not to remember. Now, holding Matthew 6:3 in our head, "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth”. let’s go back to Revelation 5:1. "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals”. ok what hand is the book in? Answer, the RIGHT HAND. What did Matthew 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth”. BINGO, he will as the Son/Lamb NOT to KNOW .... only as Fathe he KNOWS. what greatness in knowing Diversified Oneness.

so that answer your, .... mistake, "5. The Bible Does Not Support Your Claim That Jesus Takes the Book from Himself"

101G.

 

[101G]

no re-Pete.

 

[101G]

Instead of theological gymnastics, accept what the text actually states:

The One on the throne is the Father.
The Lamb (Jesus) approaches and receives the book.
The Spirit is before the throne, proceeding from the Father and the Son.
The Oneness claim fails because it forces an interpretation onto the text that the text itself does not support.

since we have addressed 1 and 2 above,
"The Spirit is before the throne, proceeding from the Father and the Son."
and NOW in the Earth in Believers. the Holy Spirit/Jesus RETURNED on Pentecost. supportive scripture, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." and he did on Pentecost in Spirit. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." The Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit. and returned on Pentecost. did he not say this, SCRIPTURE,
A. Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."

B. Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

C. Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."

D. John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

can one get any plainer than this?

in much GL.

101G

 

[praise_yeshua]

To all,
No one is here to embarrass another... ok, we all are Learning. understand, when what one's been taught and believe... do not line up with the word of God, then one might need to examine what they believe. maybe what you believe have been taught in ERROR.

please listen, an ERROR, or a mistake is not done in deception, only a LIE is to deceive. a mistake or error can be corrected, because it's just an honest mistake, or error. no harm done. but when one refuse to consider this. then one is truly deceived.

101G.

You're not listening.

I've asked you questions relative to the differences of your "Oneness" and you didn't answer. I know why you didn't. You're making empty arguments.

So listen...

 

[civic]

You're not listening.

I've asked you questions relative to the differences of your "Oneness" and you didn't answer. I know why you didn't. You're making empty arguments.

So listen...

Ditto

 

[101G]

You're not listening.

I've asked you questions relative to the differences of your "Oneness" and you didn't answer. I know why you didn't. You're making empty arguments.

So listen...

first of all, 101G has no theology to call, second,101G is not ONENESS, you Listen, for the LAST TIME, 101G is "Diversified Oneness". got that. copy or write it down. so in the future, ask 101G any question about "Diversified Oneness", 101G will reply. ask 101G about ONENESS, or TRINITARIAN nonsense you will only be CORRECTED.

have a good blessed day........

in much GL.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

first of all, 101G has no theology to call, second,101G is not ONENESS, you Listen, for the LAST TIME, 101G is "Diversified Oneness". got that. copy or write it down. so in the future, ask 101G any question about "Diversified Oneness", 101G will reply. ask 101G about ONENESS, or TRINITARIAN nonsense you will only be CORRECTED.

have a good blessed day........

in much GL.

101G.

I know you claim this. Show me how your flavor of oneness isn't oneness. Again. Pick the #1 aspect that differentiates the two and describe it in less than 100 words. If you must, go over 100 words. Since it is so simple, you should be able to explain the difference in "short order".

God is "ONE" in Character. Essence I haven't seen anyone that denies this here.