The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[praise_yeshua]

now was God in a Hypostatic Union in Genesis 1:26? yes or no.

101G

If you're asking me if Christ had a tangible form before the Incarnation, the answer is YES.

 

[Dizerner]

alone eliminates any other person.

101G.

No, it doesn't, that's just a logical error.

 

[praise_yeshua]

alone eliminates any other person.
101G.

Not true. The teaching of the Trinity presents a "unique" aspect in Persons.

 

[101G]

No, it doesn't, that's just a logical error.

Read the definition please, ALONE "having no one else present". do you know what having no one else present means? it means there is no other who is OMIN - PRESENT..... hello. now you can say no all you want, definitions are not changing......

so, your so-called other two persons are eliminated...... by scripture.

101G

 

[101G]

If you're asking me if Christ had a tangible form before the Incarnation, the answer is YES.

LOL, LOL, well the scripture do not agree with you, LISTEN and LEARN. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
figure: G5179 τύπος tupos (tï '-pos) n.
1. a die (as struck).
2. (by implication) a stamp or scar.
3. (by analogy) a shape, i.e. a statue.
4. (figuratively) style or resemblance.
5. (specially) a sampler (“type”), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning).
[from G5180]
KJV: en-(ex-)ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print
Root(s): G5180

try again. now note something..... definition #3 ...... (smile).

101G

 

[101G]

Not true. The teaching of the Trinity presents a "unique" aspect in Persons.

the teaching of the trinity is a delusion. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

did not God ... WARN US? ..... Isaiah 66:4 "I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."

and get this..... THIS IS GOD DOING" .... so don't blame the devil, nor God, blame your own-selves.

101G.

 

[101G]

to all, can we stick to scriptures only. if one wants to rebuke what 101G may say, do it by scripture please, and not personal opinion.... thanks in advance.

101G

 

[101G]

@praise_yeshua,now what the Lord Jesus had in the beginning is the same personhood, listen and Learn. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
figure: G5179 τύπος tupos (tï '-pos) n.
1. a die (as struck).
2. (by implication) a stamp or scar.
3. (by analogy) a shape, i.e. a statue.
4. (figuratively) style or resemblance.
5. (specially) a sampler (“type”), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning).
[from G5180]
KJV: en-(ex-)ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print
Root(s): G5180

notice definition #2.... where have we seen this at before? scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

the express image of his person? HIS "PERSON?" yes, the express IMAGE is the EXACT PERSON. for the term "Express Image" is the Greek,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
Compare: G1125, G1504
See also: G5480

now definition #2 from above,
2. (by implication) a stamp or scar.

3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.

stamp when used as a NOUN, "A particular class or type of person or thing" kind, sort, type, description, form, variety, category, class,
now, G243 Allos, Listen, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort.

the definition of "SORT", from dictionary com.
1. noun
a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature:

2. character, quality, or nature

my God this is just too easy.

101G

 

[101G]

To all,
101G suggest you all digest the post above. this PERSONHOOD of God is the same one Person, just as the bible is telling us. GOD is one person DIVERSIFIED, or as the bible states, "The EQUAL SHARE" of himself that was to come. the WE and the OUR in Genesis 1:26 was to come, that's why the very next verse says, he and his, a single person made man male and female. because US and OUR was to Come.

and this is why John 1:1 states the Word ... "WAS" ... God and is GOD. was is a Past tense designation because now as the Ordinal Last in TIME that .... WAS ..... to come is now in a state ..... G2758 κενόω kenoo "MADE EMPTY" while in Natural Flesh.

this is why it is so important to understand the designation of God in Ordinal terms. First and Last.... meaning Father and Son, in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK. Just as the term "Beginning" clearly states in Genesis 1:1
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

My God this is just too .... EASY.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

LOL, LOL, well the scripture do not agree with you, LISTEN and LEARN. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
figure: G5179 τύπος tupos (tï '-pos) n.
1. a die (as struck).
2. (by implication) a stamp or scar.
3. (by analogy) a shape, i.e. a statue.
4. (figuratively) style or resemblance.
5. (specially) a sampler (“type”), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning).
[from G5180]
KJV: en-(ex-)ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print
Root(s): G5180

try again. now note something..... definition #3 ...... (smile).

101G

Are you laughing at me?

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

It is interesting that you list so many possible definition and then arbitrarily highlight the one you prefer..... Ever heard of the phrase "self serving"?

 

[praise_yeshua]

To all,
101G suggest you all digest the post above. this PERSONHOOD of God is the same one Person, just as the bible is telling us. GOD is one person DIVERSIFIED, or as the bible states, "The EQUAL SHARE" of himself that was to come. the WE and the OUR in Genesis 1:26 was to come, that's why the very next verse says, he and his, a single person made man male and female. because US and OUR was to Come.

and this is why John 1:1 states the Word ... "WAS" ... God and is GOD. was is a Past tense designation because now as the Ordinal Last in TIME that .... WAS ..... to come is now in a state ..... G2758 κενόω kenoo "MADE EMPTY" while in Natural Flesh.

this is why it is so important to understand the designation of God in Ordinal terms. First and Last.... meaning Father and Son, in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK. Just as the term "Beginning" clearly states in Genesis 1:1
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

My God this is just too .... EASY.

101G.

Where is this "The EQUAL SHARE" found in the Scriptures? Don't tell me your interpretation. I want to see those words.

 

[101G]

To all,
what is God's IMAGE to come? answer, MAN, Listen, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

(STOP, WHO IS THE OUR, THAT THIS IMAGE IS COMING FROM). think please think, God is a Spirit. HOW CAN YOU MADE A IMAGE FROM WHAT IS NOT SEEN? ... HELLO, AN IMAGE HAS TO HAVE A SOURCE. AND THAT SOURCE .... "WAS" .... TO COME. BINGO, there is our US and OUR, the IMAGE, MAN, GOD IN FLESH. GOD IMAGE IS MAN, AND THAT MAN WAS TO COME. again, in Genesis 1:26 God spoke of himself to come in the IMAGE THAT IS HIM. my, God this is as said, Prophecy. did one not believe.... when the Lord Jesus said, "HE" a single person made man male and female? why you didn't believe...... here's why.... listening to man. so the scriptures are true, as said, 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Lord help you all.

101G

 

[praise_yeshua]

To all,
what is God's IMAGE to come? answer, MAN, Listen, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

(STOP, WHO IS THE OUR, THAT THIS IMAGE IS COMING FROM). think please think, God is a Spirit. HOW CAN YOU MADE A IMAGE FROM WHAT IS NOT SEEN? ... HELLO, AN IMAGE HAS TO HAVE A SOURCE. AND THAT SOURCE .... "WAS" .... TO COME. BINGO, there is our US and OUR, the IMAGE, MAN, GOD IN FLESH. GOD IMAGE IS MAN, AND THAT MAN WAS TO COME. again, in Genesis 1:26 God spoke of himself to come in the IMAGE THAT IS HIM. my, God this is as said, Prophecy. did one not believe.... when the Lord Jesus said, "HE" a single person made man male and female? why you didn't believe...... here's why.... listening to man. so the scriptures are true, as said, 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Lord help you all.

101G

You give no thought as to the impact of your words.

You are basically saying that I'm "damned" because I don't agree with your "oneness".

 

[101G]

Where is this "The EQUAL SHARE" found in the Scriptures? Don't tell me your interpretation. I want to see those words.

in one scripture plainly, but 101G will give you two. first one. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
"FORM", G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

now what is this root word, G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).

what is ANOTHER word for "Portion? when used as a NOUN as, "A part of a whole" answer SHARE. this can be found at Word Hippo, https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/portion.html

see that word/term "FORM" .... root it out. the HOLY SPIRIT led 101G to find out what it meant, and it open up 101G understanding.

just like the term "WITH" here in Phil. 2:6 and John 1:1 with tells us it's the same one person, again, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." now, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." and by now one knows what "ALSO" means.

now another scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
the Lord Jesus is the ROOT/Father and OFFSPRING/Son of David, let's look at the OFFSPRING, which is the Greek term,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

KIN as in KINSMAN REDEEMER, but notice "diversity" yes, this is where 101G get the doctrine of "Diversified ONENESS"

what do you think "Diversity" means or is synonyms with? answer, pluralism. but is not the ROOT and the OFFSPRING the same one Person, yes, just as the FIRST and the LAST, the BEGINNING and the END, the ALPHA, and the OMEGA..... now get this the WORD and GOD, as in John 1:1. my God this is too easy not to understand. yes, "Diversity" is a pluralism of ONE PERSON.

and there are many other example of this in the OT as well as the NT.......

in much GL.

101G

 

[101G]

To all,
in the post above, we see a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, First and Last, or Beginning and End... ect. Now what is a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE? answer, G243 ALLOS, in English, "ANOTHER, Listen, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort

a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE is Diversity, or simply put a pluralism of ONE. in the Hebrew it is a "ECHAD" of one.

NOTE, by knowing this, all answer to hard question become easy and simple. as in why the Lord Jesus pray to the Father, or why the Father is GREATER than,,,ect... all such question are answered easily if one KNOW and UNDERSTAND "Diversity" which is the ECHAD of God SINGLE PERSONHOOD.



hope this helps.

101G

 

[praise_yeshua]

To all,
in the post above, we see a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, First and Last, or Beginning and End... ect. Now what is a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE? answer, G243 ALLOS, in English, "ANOTHER, Listen, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort

a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE is Diversity, or simply put a pluralism of ONE. in the Hebrew it is a "ECHAD" of one.

NOTE, by knowing this, all answer to hard question become easy and simple. as in why the Lord Jesus pray to the Father, or why the Father is GREATER than,,,ect... all such question are answered easily if one KNOW and UNDERSTAND "Diversity" which is the ECHAD of God SINGLE PERSONHOOD.



hope this helps.

101G

You keep repeating the same false claims.

First and last taken together..... form a whole. Just simply mentioning First and Last doesn't establish your argument.

Define PERSONHOOD. Then show me PERSONHOOD via Scriptural principles and reason.

 

[101G]

You keep repeating the same false claims.

First and last taken together..... form a whole. Just simply mentioning First and Last doesn't establish your argument.

Define PERSONHOOD. Then show me PERSONHOOD via Scriptural principles and reason.

Personhood, God is a PERSON who have a soul. now the Lord Jesus the Christ ........ the same PERSON, in the EQUAL SHARE. scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" HOW MANY PERSONS HERE? ONE OF A NUMERICALLY SHARE. one more scripture, Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts." NOW WHO CAME? the LORD or the Lord. remember it was the "LORD" who sent his messenger. read Malachi again. he said his messenger would prepare the way before...... "ME", which is HIM the LORD. but was it not the "Lord" who came.... and was it not John the baptist who prepare the way? (Smile). again, read Malachi 3:1. now tell us HOW MANY PERSON is this? a plurality of ONE, a Personhood. and there are many example of this in the BIBLE....

in much GL.
101G

 

[Johann]

Personhood, God is a PERSON who have a soul. now the Lord Jesus the Christ ........ the same PERSON, in the EQUAL SHARE. scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" HOW MANY PERSONS HERE? ONE OF A NUMERICALLY SHARE. one more scripture, Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts." NOW WHO CAME? the LORD or the Lord. remember it was the "LORD" who sent his messenger. read Malachi again. he said his messenger would prepare the way before...... "ME", which is HIM the LORD. but was it not the "Lord" who came.... and was it not John the baptist who prepare the way? (Smile). again, read Malachi 3:1. now tell us HOW MANY PERSON is this? a plurality of ONE, a Personhood. and there are many example of this in the BIBLE...

Hebrews 1:3 and the Misconception of "Express Image of His Person"

You claim that because Jesus is called "the express image of His person" (χαρακτὴρ τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ), this means Jesus and the Father are numerically one person. However, this ignores the meaning of the Greek terms.

χαρακτήρ (charaktēr) refers to an exact imprint or representation but does not mean the same as the original. It is used of a distinct but corresponding reality, like a coin stamped from a die.

ὑπόστασις (hypostasis) refers to the underlying reality or essence but does not mean "person" in the sense of singular personality.
If Jesus were the same person as the Father, the author would not use χαρακτήρ but rather something implying identity.

Conclusion: Hebrews 1:3 teaches that Jesus is the perfect representation of the Father’s divine essence, not that He is the same person as the Father.

2. Hebrews 1:1–2 Shows Distinction, Not Singular Personhood

Hebrews 1:1 says, "God… spoke to the fathers by the prophets."

Hebrews 1:2 says, "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son."

If God (the Father) speaks through the Son, this necessitates distinction between the speaker and the agent. The Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Father, but both are fully God.

"By whom also He made the worlds" shows that Jesus, as the divine Word (cf. John 1:3), was the agent of creation.

If Jesus were merely a different role of the Father, this language would be meaningless.

Refuted by basic Hebrew exegesis.

Malachi 3:1: "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me."

The speaker here is YHWH, promising a forerunner.

"And the Lord (הָאָדוֹן, ha’adon), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple."

"The Lord" here refers to a distinct person from YHWH.

"Ha’adon" is used exclusively for God but here refers to the Messiah, distinct from the speaker.

"Even the Messenger of the Covenant" clarifies that this "Lord" is Christ, who comes to His temple.

Confirmed by New Testament Fulfillment

Matthew 11:10 quotes Malachi 3:1 and applies it to John the Baptist preparing the way for Jesus.

Luke 1:76 confirms John prepared the way for "the Lord."

Mark 1:2–3 applies Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 to Christ.

Conclusion: The LORD (YHWH) sends His messenger (John), who prepares the way for the Lord (Messiah), showing two distinct persons, both fully divine.

4. The Fatal Error of "One Person in Equal Share"
Your claim that God is one person with multiple "designations" contradicts the clear Trinitarian distinction seen in multiple passages:

John 1:1–2 – "The Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"With God" (πρὸς τὸν Θεόν) indicates distinction in personhood.

John 17:5 – "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

If Jesus is the same person as the Father, how can He be with Him?

Matthew 28:19 – "Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

If these are merely one person, why list them distinctly?

Conclusion: Scripture distinguishes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons within the one divine essence.

5. Your Argument Collapses on Logical Grounds
Your claim of "one person in numeric share" is illogical and self-contradictory because:

If the Father and Son are the same person, then every instance of Jesus praying to the Father is meaningless.
If the Father and Son are the same person, then statements like "the Word was with God" make no sense.
If the Father and Son are the same person, then Hebrews 1:3’s language of representation is unnecessary.
If the Father and Son are the same person, then Jesus' statement "not my will but thine be done" (Luke 22:42) becomes nonsense.

Final Rebuttal Summary

Claim Refutation

Hebrews 1:3 proves Jesus is the same person as the Father. The Greek "χαρακτήρ" means "exact representation," not "identical person."

Malachi 3:1 proves one person came. The text distinguishes between the speaker (YHWH) and the Lord who comes (the Messiah).

"Numeric oneness" proves singular personhood. John 1:1–2, Hebrews 1:1–3, and Matthew 28:19 prove distinction in personhood within the Godhead.

Personhood in God is singular. The Bible presents one God in three persons, not a singular, unipersonal deity.

Thus your argument falls apart under scriptural, linguistic, logical, and theological analysis. The Trinitarian position remains unchallenged, as Scripture explicitly distinguishes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit while affirming the unity of the Godhead.

J.

 

[101G]

To all,
@Dizerner, our brother was, as said, on the right road. "MEASURE". we know that the Lord Jesus was given the Spirit without .... "MEASURE". well what is another word or that is synonyms With Measure? when used as a Noun, "A percentage or allotment of a total amount" it means,
portion quota share part allocation. this is just what "Form" means in it root word.
Form ROOT WORD:
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something). THERE IS OUR "MEASURE" . John 3:34 "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him."

without Measure, he is fully God in the EQUAL SHARE or the ECHAD. this is why 101G ask, "How much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') or made empty for the Son to come in flesh". the answer 100%, because he is the equal share. and in the G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state, the First, who is God, descended on him in the form of a dove. and that voice from heaven was just what the bible stated. "A VOICE". the assumption is what was said.

listen to the bases of "Diversified Oneness". one person, one Spirit who is JESUS, God all mighty, THE HOLY SPIRIT, who is the ONLY PERSON IN THE GODHEAD. and it is the Holy Spirit who holds the titles ..... Father, and Son. whom the trinitarians put last is the FIRST and ONLY PERSON in the Godhead. for Father and Son are only titles of the Holy Spirit, and titles are not person(s).

101G

 

[101G]

You claim that because Jesus is called "the express image of His person" (χαρακτὴρ τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ), this means Jesus and the Father are numerically one person. However, this ignores the meaning of the Greek terms.

it means "Son" listen and Learn, according to the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
Son: [ 1,,G5207, huios ]
primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics

101G.