The First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega, the Lord God Almighty Identified

[Johann]

understand, what happen at the Incarnation was a "Diversified?" event, not a unity event. and this diversification of ONESELF was a event called "THE EQUAL SHARING OF ONE SELF" sharing is the opposite of a unity.

Your statement that the Incarnation was a "diversified" event rather than a unity event, and that it involved "THE EQUAL SHARING OF ONE SELF," is not biblically accurate. You seem to present diverse perspectives on the Incarnation, but the biblical understanding of the Incarnation emphasizes the unity of God in Christ rather than a diversification.
The Incarnation, as described in Christian theology, signifies the unity of God and humanity in Jesus Christ. While Jesus took on human form, He remained fully divine, representing the perfect union of God and man. This unity is central to the Christian belief in the hypostatic union, where Jesus is both fully God and fully human.
Revelation 22:16, where Jesus identifies Himself as "the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star," does not suggest a diversification of God but rather highlights the multifaceted nature of Christ's identity as both human (offspring of David) and divine (bright morning star). This verse underscores the richness and completeness of Christ's personhood rather than a division within God.
Therefore, while different interpretations and perspectives exist regarding the Incarnation, the traditional Christian understanding affirms the unity of God in Christ during this pivotal event in salvation history.

The phrase "the equal sharing of one self" is not directly supported by Scripture. However, the concept of self-emptying or kenosis, as seen in Philippians 2:6-8, provides insight into the idea of Christ voluntarily limiting His divine prerogatives for the sake of humanity. Christ did not share His essential nature equally with others, nor did He divide Himself into multiple persons. Rather, He chose to empty Himself of certain divine expressions, such as appearing in human form and submitting to the constraints of human existence, including suffering and death
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/PHP.2.6-8
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/406/Self-Exaltation.htm
Therefore, the concept of "sharing one self" in the manner suggested is not consistent with the biblical account of Christ's incarnation.Instead, the biblical perspective focuses on Christ's willing submission to the demands of human existence, which included embracing the limitations inherent in human life, rather than dividing or sharing His divine nature equally with others. This submission was motivated by love and compassion for humanity, as demonstrated by Christ's sacrificial death on behalf of all people

 

[101G]

Your statement that the Incarnation was a "diversified" event rather than a unity event, and that it involved "THE EQUAL SHARING OF ONE SELF," is not biblically accurate. You seem to present diverse perspectives on the Incarnation, but the biblical understanding of the Incarnation emphasizes the unity of God in Christ rather than a diversification.

ok if you have a offspring, is the offspring is the OFFSPRING "YOU?" think before you answer. now to help U out. your offspring is a combination of U and your Wife ... correct..... now post any scripture where any combination of anyone was involved in the Lord Jesus Incarnation. if U have that scripture please post it. else 101G don't need to go any further.

101G.

 

[101G]

Rev 22:13, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

Addressing the OP passage of scripture only.
To all,
May 101G make a statement, point blank? "in the Book of Revelation there is only one person, WHO IS GOD that the book is from". yes, only one person. supportive scripture, Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;" Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

question time, to all. is this letter from three persons, or one person holding three titles?

A. person #1. "which is, and which was, and which is to come" the one most trinitarians calls the Father? .....

B. person #2. "from the seven Spirits" the one most trinitarians calls the Holy Spirit? .....

C. person #3. "Jesus Christ" a give me, the one most trinitarians calls the Son? .....

calling on all trinitarians to either confirm this assessment of your trinity, or if incorrect post the correct title placement.

will be looking for your answer. thanks in advance.

101G.

 

[Johann]

ok if you have a offspring, is the offspring is the OFFSPRING "YOU?" think before you answer. now to help U out. your offspring is a combination of U and your Wife ... correct..... now post any scripture where any combination of anyone was involved in the Lord Jesus Incarnation. if U have that scripture please post it. else 101G don't need to go any further.

Your analogy seeks to draw a parallel between the concept of offspring being a combination of two individuals and the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, where divine and human natures are united in one person.In Christian theology, the Incarnation refers to the belief that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, took on human flesh and became fully human while remaining fully divine. This union of divine and human natures in Jesus is a central tenet of Christian faith.While there is no specific scripture that explicitly states a combination of individuals in the Incarnation of Jesus, various passages in the Bible affirm the dual nature of Christ as both fully God and fully man. Some key verses that support this understanding include:

1. John 1:14 (NIV): "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
2. Philippians 2:6-7 (NIV): "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."

These verses highlight the divine-human nature of Jesus Christ as affirmed in Christian doctrine. The Incarnation represents a unique union where the divine Son of God took on human form to dwell among humanity, demonstrating both divine glory and human humility.

 

[101G]

Your analogy seeks to draw a parallel between the concept of offspring being a combination of two individuals and the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, where divine and human natures are united in one person.

is your body a PERSONS? see your ERROR.

1. John 1:14 (NIV): "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
2. Philippians 2:6-7 (NIV): "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."

again, is your flesh a person, or the House/Tabernacle that the person, you, dwells in?

These verses highlight the divine-human nature of Jesus Christ as affirmed in Christian doctrine.

ERROR, God is Spirit, your body is not Spirit. LISTEN and LEARN, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" being is present tense, and FORM here is NATURE, so that human body is not his NATURE, but the dwelling place for the spirit. so you're reproved.

101G.

 

[civic]

Addressing the OP passage of scripture only.
To all,
May 101G make a statement, point blank? "in the Book of Revelation there is only one person, WHO IS GOD that the book is from". yes, only one person. supportive scripture, Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;" Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

question time, to all. is this letter from three persons, or one person holding three titles?

A. person #1. "which is, and which was, and which is to come" the one most trinitarians calls the Father? .....

B. person #2. "from the seven Spirits" the one most trinitarians calls the Holy Spirit? .....

C. person #3. "Jesus Christ" a give me, the one most trinitarians calls the Son? .....

calling on all trinitarians to either confirm this assessment of your trinity, or if incorrect post the correct title placement.

will be looking for your answer. thanks in advance.

101G.

him/his much like God can be plural in Persons in certain contexts. For example God said let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness- Genesis 1:26 is clearly teaching the Plurality of God much like we see in Revelation 21-22. They shall worship Him on the throne- We know both the Lamb and God are worshipped on the same throne in Revelation 4-5. cf Rev 22.

hope this helps !!!

 

[101G]

him/his much like God can be plural in Persons in certain contexts. For example God said let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness- Genesis 1:26 is clearly teaching the Plurality of God

ERROR, now you follow the Lord Jesus right. and you know he do not LIE right..... Good, Listen and Learn, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," he here is God. the Lord Jesus said God is a "HE", a single person who made Man male and Female in the beginning. and this "HE" is God, a single person. for our brother Mark records the same conversation. Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

so the HE in Matthews 19:4 is God, a single person.... this is bible. and remember the Lord Jesus said it is written. well where? right after Genesis 1:26.... Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

so civic, the Lord Jesus do not LIE, nor is Genesis 1:27. so now you must explain how God went from a Plurality in verse 26 to a single person in verse 27. remember if one is using the ECHAD ..... a compound unity it want work in Genesis 1:26. for the next verse is a a "SINGLE PERSON ONLY"

101G will be looking for that answer.

101G.

 

[Alive]

Rev 22:13, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

We can see here that Whoever is the Alpha/Omega also claims to be the first/last AND the beginning/end. It’s the same Person.

If we look back in Rev 1:17-18 we see the following:

“…Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”

So, the One Who is first/last (and then is also Alpha/Omega and beginning/end) is the same Person who was dead and is alive forever more. It doesn’t take a scholar to figure out Who is the One speaking here. It does take a lot of mental gymnastics to explain away something so obvious.

The term "first/last" is used 4 times in Rev. Twice it is used along with "Alpha/Omega" with the Person claiming to be "first/last" AND the "Alpha/Omega."

"Alpha/Omega" is used 4 times in Rev. Twice with "first/last" and twice with "beginning/end."

"Beginning/end" occurs 3 times: twice with "Alpha/Omega" and once with "Alpha/Omega" AND "first/last."

In all of these texts, the speaker always refers to Himself with both or all of the titles. To say, "Well, this time it's Jehovah who is the first/last, this next time it's Jesus, then later it's Jehovah again..." is the mental gymnastics to which I referred.

Is God the first/last or is Jesus the first/last? Is God the Alpha/Omega or is Jesus the Alpha/Omega? Is God the beginning/end or is Jesus the beginning/end. An obvious way to reconcile the verses is to understand that Jesus is God.

According to unitarians, it seems God claimed to be the first/last in one sense while Jesus claimed to be first/last in another sense. You seem to gloss over the blatant connection of first/last with beginning/end and Alpha/Omega. In each verse, the Speaker who claims one title also claims one or both of the others. It's all the same person.

I usually wait patiently for unitarians to reply but this point has been nagging at me so I have to comment preemptively. I really am baffled by their suggestion from other discussion in the past that “first/last” has some meaning here other than the obvious one (a title synonymous with Alpha/Omega). You even say that Alpha/Omega is never used of the Son? Incredible!! We both have said that context is king so I would like to remind other readers of the context of Rev 1:17-18 (beginning in v.10, Young’s Literal):

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last;' and, `What thou dost see, write in a scroll, and send to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.'

And I did turn to see the voice that did speak with me, and having turned, I saw seven golden lamp-stands, and in the midst of the seven lamp-stands, [one] like to a son of man, clothed to the foot, and girt round at the breast with a golden girdle, and his head and hairs white, as if white wool -- as snow, and his eyes as a flame of fire; and his feet like to fine brass, as in a furnace having been fired, and his voice as a sound of many waters, and having in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp two-edged sword is proceeding, and his countenance [is] as the sun shining in its might.

And when I saw him, I did fall at his feet as dead, and he placed his right hand upon me, saying to me, `Be not afraid; I am the First and the Last, and he who is living, and I did become dead, and, lo, I am living to the ages of the ages. Amen! and I have the keys of the hades and of the death.

Do you realize this is one scene? The Speaker identifies Himself in v. 11 as “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last.” John turns to see who is speaking and sees “one like to a son of man” (other translations have “the Son of man”). Perhaps John is saying, "I saw someone who looked like Jesus." Then finally, in v. 17-18, the Speaker indeed identifies Himself as the One who is living and became dead and is now alive again forever.

Unitarians: I guess you identify the Alpha and Omega in v. 8 as Jehovah and v. 11 as Jesus? I guess you don’t see the term “the First and the Last” as a title equivalent to “the Alpha and Omega”? If so, you are definitely seeing something in the text that an ordinary reading doesn’t see beacuse of your bias.

It’s a title ascribed to the Almighty. I didn’t think it needed a more precise definition to be understood. What about, “the one who is and who was and who to come”? Does that need to be defined? I guess we could talk about a precise definition but I don’t think that will change my point. The Alpha/Omega is self-described as “the Almighty (1:8) AND the First/Last (22:13). The First/Last is self-described as the one who was dead and is alive forever more (1:18). Again, there are either 2 people who are the first and last OR Jesus is the Almighty.

Conclusion: Scripture declares YHWH is the First and the Last and besides Me there is no God/YHWH. Christ is YHWH.

hope this helps !!!

As far as I'm concerned Rev 22:13, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Has always meant Jesus. Jesus has always been God. That's why he was able to say...

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9

To see Christ is to see God. They are One.

 

[Alive]

ERROR, now you follow the Lord Jesus right. and you know he do not LIE right..... Good, Listen and Learn, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," he here is God. the Lord Jesus said God is a "HE", a single person who made Man male and Female in the beginning. and this "HE" is God, a single person. for our brother Mark records the same conversation. Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

so the HE in Matthews 19:4 is God, a single person.... this is bible. and remember the Lord Jesus said it is written. well where? right after Genesis 1:26.... Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

so civic, the Lord Jesus do not LIE, nor is Genesis 1:27. so now you must explain how God went from a Plurality in verse 26 to a single person in verse 27. remember if one is using the ECHAD ..... a compound unity it want work in Genesis 1:26. for the next verse is a a "SINGLE PERSON ONLY"

101G will be looking for that answer.

101G.

The Bible specifies that the “three that bear record in heaven” are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and that those three are one.

Trinitarianism (one God in three persons) God has revealed Himself to be three co-equal and co-eternal Persons. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God.

The bad news is 101G may be waiting for that answer a long time as it's impossible for any human being to fully understand this side of the Pearly Gates.

 

[civic]

As far as I'm concerned Rev 22:13, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Has always meant Jesus. Jesus has always been God. That's why he was able to say...

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9

To see Christ is to see God. They are One.

Truth prevails

 

[101G]

As far as I'm concerned Rev 22:13, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Has always meant Jesus. Jesus has always been God. That's why he was able to say...

100% correct ..... it is the Lord Jesus who is the First and the Last. always has, always be, and always wil; be.

101G.

 

[101G]

The Bible specifies that the “three that bear record in heaven” are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and that those three are one.

ERROR, the bible did not say "Those", it said "THESE" are one. 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." these are title. AND to prove it out ... 1 John 5:6 "This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. (NOTICE BLOOD and WATER), And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth." 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

question ALIVE, is water and blood are persons? read 1 John 5:8.

understand Blood, Water, and spirit is a, a, a, a, a person... ONE PERSON, just as 1 John 5:6 clearly states. see our bosies are made up water, which has blood in it and we have spirits that make ONE OERSON. so, yes "THESE THREE, BLOOD WATER/A BODY/WITH A SPIRIT IS ONE...... "ONE PERSON".

101G.

 

[101G]

To all, especially @jeremiah1five, and @TomL
THE ONE GOD OF THE BIBLE.
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" question, "ONE sent his, angel to John correct". the angel tells us who sent him. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
WHO IS THE "Lord God" of the Holy Prophet that sent his angel to John. read this verse of scripture, and Revelation 1:1 again, before one answer.

now was this the one whom U call the Son, or the one who You call the Father who sent his angel to John?

will be looking for your answers.

101G.

 

[TomL]

To all, especially @jeremiah1five, and @TomL
THE ONE GOD OF THE BIBLE.
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" question, "ONE sent his, angel to John correct". the angel tells us who sent him. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
WHO IS THE "Lord God" of the Holy Prophet that sent his angel to John. read this verse of scripture, and Revelation 1:1 again, before one answer.

now was this the one whom U call the Son, or the one who You call the Father who sent his angel to John?

will be looking for your answers.

101G.

It's kind of funny how the text escapes you

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him

We have Jesus Christ

and we have God

It's not advanced math but that appears to be two persons

 

[101G]

It's kind of funny how the text escapes you

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him

We have Jesus Christ

and we have God

It's not advanced math but that appears to be two persons

LOL, LOL, LOL, this is exactly what 101G is talking about .... Christians walking by "SIGHT". my God when are the dead to come alive?
U think there are two persons in Revelation 1:1 .... don't you. U have in your MIND one person standing next to another person handing between the two something..... is this correct.... (smile). now just answer then question, and you will see it is only one person. now 101G's question one more time, "Who sent his angel to John?" the angel said it was the Lord God of the Holy prophets. now who by name is the Lord God of the Holy Prophets?
well that's not hard to answer. 101G resounding say it is the Lord Jesus who is the God of the Holy Prophets. see how easy that was. but you could not answer, because you didn't know that the Lord Jesus is the God of the OT as well as the NT... (smile), .... see how easy it is to know instead of walking by sight, and IGNORANTLY making a bad choice in ERROR? KNOW, don't make it up, or assume, but look it up and KNOW.

now let's see it from the OT. Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me." yes, the same Lord God of Revelation 22:6 is him right here in Isaiah 48:16 ..... YIKES! ... same one PERSON...... this is Just too Easy.

101G.

 

[TomL]

LOL, LOL, LOL, this is exactly what 101G is talking about .... Christians walking by "SIGHT". my God when are the dead to come alive?
U think there are two persons in Revelation 1:1 .... don't you. U have in your MIND one person standing next to another person handing between the two something..... is this correct.... (smile). now just answer then question, and you will see it is only one person. now 101G's question one more time, "Who sent his angel to John?" the angel said it was the Lord God of the Holy prophets. now who by name is the Lord God of the Holy Prophets?
well that's not hard to answer. 101G resounding say it is the Lord Jesus who is the God of the Holy Prophets. see how easy that was. but you could not answer, because you didn't know that the Lord Jesus is the God of the OT as well as the NT... (smile), .... see how easy it is to know instead of walking by sight, and IGNORANTLY making a bad choice in ERROR? KNOW, don't make it up, or assume, but look it up and KNOW.

now let's see it from the OT. Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me." yes, the same Lord God of Revelation 22:6 is him right here in Isaiah 48:16 ..... YIKES! ... same one PERSON...... this is Just too Easy.

101G.

Read

It's kind of funny how the text escapes you

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him

We have Jesus Christ

and we have God

It's not advanced math but that appears to be two persons

Hello

did the math escape you

 

[101G]

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him

We have Jesus Christ

and we have God

The Lord Jesus is God in Diversity. you still don't understand...lol. Oh my. LOOK, LEARN & LISTEN. who rose the Lord Jesus Body up from the DEAD? listen to the apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2:32 "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses." God RAISED up? let's see. John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." (READ THAT AGAIN). John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." (STOP WHO RAISED UP THE LORD JESUS BODY? ... READ, READ, READ, IT AGAIN). John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."

hold it! his disciple remember what he said? so why say his disciple that God raised up the Body of Jesus, when in fact the Lord Jesus said, he would raise it up after three days? question Time.... "Did the Lord Jesus lie in saying he would raise up his own body? no, the Lord Jesus do not LIE. and his disciples all of then was filled with the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit let them LIE? no. so either the Lord Jesus is GOD, (SMILE), or all of them including the Lord Jesus, and all his disciples are liers... God forbid.

so, to 101G he will believe God, (the Lord Jesus), and his disciples over man any day or night. this "ECHAD", or the Diversity of God in Flesh is just KILLING SO-CALLED BELIEVERS. the scriptures are true, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Psalms 110:1 is in effect.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

To all, especially @jeremiah1five, and @TomL
THE ONE GOD OF THE BIBLE.
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" question, "ONE sent his, angel to John correct". the angel tells us who sent him. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
WHO IS THE "Lord God" of the Holy Prophet that sent his angel to John. read this verse of scripture, and Revelation 1:1 again, before one answer.

now was this the one whom U call the Son, or the one who You call the Father who sent his angel to John?

will be looking for your answers.

101G.

Dear Catholic member...

YOU again!
Don't worry I'm here to "straighten you out!" (But I'm not an apostle.)
Here is the prophecy that was given to Israel and Judah things which must shortly come to pass:

1 THE Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John Rev. 1:1.

First, it is the revelation OF Jesus Christ, not a revelation that was given by Jesus Christ.

Second-o-mundo, this revelation was sent by Christ to John through the mediatory work of an angel. The word "angel" could have been a "spirit-being" of God or it could have been some other anointed, gifted messenger (Greek: "angelos") sent by Christ to John on the isle of Patmos. John still could have visitors on the isle.

 

[101G]

Dear Catholic member...

YOU again!
Don't worry I'm here to "straighten you out!" (But I'm not an apostle.)

Thank God.

First, it is the revelation OF Jesus Christ, not a revelation that was given by Jesus Christ.

Boy Oh Boy the IGNORANCE. Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;" Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

from him and not from THEM. oh my, when will they ever Learn.,

Second-o-mundo, this revelation was sent by Christ to John through the mediatory work of an angel. The word "angel" could have been a "spirit-being" of God or it could have been some other anointed, gifted messenger (Greek: "angelos") sent by Christ to John on the isle of Patmos. John still could have visitors on the isle.

LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh My God. well you got one right it was sent by the Lord Jesus. NOW SINCE YOU HAVE ONE RIGHT, the angel that sent said, the "Lord God of the holy Prophets sent him is this still the Lord Jesu? yes or No.... before you answer, read Revelation 22:6 as to who sent the angel. so you said the Lord Jesus sent his angel, which means that the Lord Jesus is the God of the holy prophets which is the Old Testament God. thank you for proving 101G point Jesus is the God of the OT as well as the NT.

even in total IGNORANCE, God can get the IGNORANT one's to speak truth. ........ (smile), Lol, Lol, Lol, YIKES!

101G.

 

[101G]

@TomL,
TomL said:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him

We have Jesus Christ

and we have God.

well @jeremiah1five he said the Lord Jesus sent his angel, who that was sent said, the "Lord God" of the Holy Prophets who is the God of the OT as well as the NT sent him.

well your God is eliminated, and only Jesus is the Only TRUE, and LIVING GOD. for if the Lord Jesus is the God of the OT then you have a false God in Revelation 1:1 ,,,, ......... YIKES!.

101G.