The Father

[Keiw1]

Here are undeniable facts of Israelite true God worship history= From Moses on up until this very day, they teach, serve and worship the Abrahamic God= a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--deceivers say otherwise. That means when Jesus and every bible writer attended those places of worship, they were taught, served and worshipped a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah) = undeniable fact of reality. They did not refute that God, they taught that God= The Father. At John 17:3 Jesus teaches-The one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- Paul teaches-1Cor 8:6-There is one God to all=the Father.
Undeniable facts= No trinity god was served until Catholicism added the holy spirit as apart of the godhead at the council of Constantinople in 381 ce. God did not change, the councils changed him. No trinity exists--all being mislead to serve it are breaking Gods #1 commandment daily. Those hundreds of religions claiming to be christian= a house divided they will not stand. They fail this true mark of Jesus' 1 religion100%= 1 Cor 1:10--Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division. Do you understand-no division? trinity religions do not. They are lead by these-2Cor11:12-15)
Jesus warned all of you-John 15:20-21) That on account of his name( thinking they are standing for it) they would do things against the true followers-WHY? Because they did not know the one who sent him)=The Father= The ONLY TRUE GOD.
Here is what-JESUS says the true followers will do= John 4:22-24--Its the FATHER who is searching for ones to worship him in spirit and truth.
We all must choose who we believe and whowe follow.
Trinity bibles are altered by satans will( removal of Gods name in over 7000 places)to mislead. And translation errors by these-2Thess 2:3= Catholicism. God warned allof you--GET OUT OF HER.

 

[Soyeong]

Here are undeniable facts of Israelite true God worship history= From Moses on up until this very day, they teach, serve and worship the Abrahamic God= a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--deceivers say otherwise. That means when Jesus and every bible writer attended those places of worship, they were taught, served and worshipped a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah) = undeniable fact of reality. They did not refute that God, they taught that God= The Father. At John 17:3 Jesus teaches-The one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- Paul teaches-1Cor 8:6-There is one God to all=the Father.
Undeniable facts= No trinity god was served until Catholicism added the holy spirit as apart of the godhead at the council of Constantinople in 381 ce. God did not change, the councils changed him. No trinity exists--all being mislead to serve it are breaking Gods #1 commandment daily. Those hundreds of religions claiming to be christian= a house divided they will not stand. They fail this true mark of Jesus' 1 religion100%= 1 Cor 1:10--Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division. Do you understand-no division? trinity religions do not. They are lead by these-2Cor11:12-15)
Jesus warned all of you-John 15:20-21) That on account of his name( thinking they are standing for it) they would do things against the true followers-WHY? Because they did not know the one who sent him)=The Father= The ONLY TRUE GOD.
Here is what-JESUS says the true followers will do= John 4:22-24--Its the FATHER who is searching for ones to worship him in spirit and truth.
We all must choose who we believe and whowe follow.
Trinity bibles are altered by satans will( removal of Gods name in over 7000 places)to mislead. And translation errors by these-2Thess 2:3= Catholicism. God warned allof you--GET OUT OF HER.

Does the Mosaic Law teach how to serve, worship, and know the one true God of Israel?

The important thing is not when a word or phrase was first used, but whether the concept that it refers is something that is taught by the Bible. The problem with idolatry is that it misrepresents the nature of God, so if Jesus were anything less than the exact image of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), then worshiping him as God would have been idolatry. Likewise, the fruits of the Spirit are all aspects of God's nature.

In Psalms 119:142, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law, and in Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth, so expressing God's nature by obeying it in accordance with Christ's example and the fruits of the Spirit is the way to worship the one true God of Israel in spirit and in truth. If the way to worship the one true God of Israel is identical to the way to worship the Son and the Spirit except for the label that we use to refer to Him, then what difference does it make to say for example that helping the poor is worshiping the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit?

 

[Keiw1]

Does the Mosaic Law teach how to serve, worship, and know the one true God of Israel?

The important thing is not when a word or phrase was first used, but whether the concept that it refers is something that is taught by the Bible. The problem with idolatry is that it misrepresents the nature of God, so if Jesus were anything less than the exact image of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), then worshiping him as God would have been idolatry. Likewise, the fruits of the Spirit are all aspects of God's nature.

In Psalms 119:142, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law, and in Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth, so expressing God's nature by obeying it in accordance with Christ's example and the fruits of the Spirit is the way to worship the one true God of Israel in spirit and in truth. If the way to worship the one true God of Israel is identical to the way to worship the Son and the Spirit except for the label that we use to refer to Him, then what difference does it make to say for example that by helping the poor we are worshiping the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit?

In Isaiah God said--I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( not we) there is no other God. At Psalm 83:18--That people may know, that you whose name is YHWH(Jehovah) you alone( not they or we) are the most high over all the earth. YHWH(Jehovah)=The Father, he is the only true God.

 

[Soyeong]

In Isaiah God said--I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( not we) there is no other God. At Psalm 83:18--That people may know, that you whose name is YHWH(Jehovah) you alone( not they or we) are the most high over all the earth. YHWH(Jehovah)=The Father, he is the only true God.

Isaiah says that God alone is our Savior, so if Jesus is not the same God, then he is not our Savior. The position that Jesus is the same God is not contrary to the verses you reference and those verses do not answer my questions.

 

[Keiw1]

Isaiah says that God alone is our Savior, so if Jesus is not the same God, then he is not our Savior. The position that Jesus is the same God is not contrary to the verses you reference and those verses do not answer my questions.

In the OT God was the only savior. Jesus became savior as well with a successful sinless life as a mortal and dying and paying the wages of sin he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice. He could have failed then he wouldn't have become savior.

 

[Soyeong]

In the OT God was the only savior. Jesus became savior as well with a successful sinless life as a mortal and dying and paying the wages of sin he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice. He could have failed then he wouldn't have become savior.

If people can become saviors though dying before they have sinned, then that undermines the point that the verse was making, It still doesn't answer my questions.

 

[Keiw1]

If people can become saviors though dying before they have sinned, then that undermines the point that the verse was making, It still doesn't answer my questions.

No mortal ever was without sin except Jesus.
Yes the #1 commandment--Thou shalt have any other God before your face.

 

[Soyeong]

No mortal ever was without sin except Jesus.
Yes the #1 commandment--Thou shalt have any other God before your face.

If the way to worship the one true God of Israel is identical to the way to worship the Son and the Spirit except for the label that we use to refer to Him, then what difference does it make to say for example that helping the poor is worshiping the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit?

 

[Behold]

Undeniable facts= No trinity god was served until Catholicism added the holy spirit as apart of the godhead

God gave the Holy Spirit to Adam in Genesis 2

Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the 11 Apostles in John 20:22

"God is A Spirit"

"Jesus is THAT Spirit".

All of this existed before the "cult of mary" came along.

 

[Keiw1]

If the way to worship the one true God of Israel is identical to the way to worship the Son and the Spirit except for the label that we use to refer to Him, then what difference does it make to say for example that helping the poor is worshiping the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit?

Jesus explained who is looking for worship after telling all the other gods are false and that-the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth-John 4:22-24

 

[Keiw1]

God gave the Holy Spirit to Adam in Genesis 2

Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the 11 Apostles in John 20:22

"God is A Spirit"

"Jesus is THAT Spirit".

All of this existed before the "cult of mary" came along.

God spoke from heaven at Jesus baptism and the holy spirit descended as a dove.

 

[Wrangler]

Isaiah says that God alone is our Savior, so if Jesus is not the same God, then he is not our Savior.

Agency. How Jesus’ God saves us changes nothing. Akin to 1 COR 8:6 God is THE father alone and Jesus is OUR lord; Jesus is OUR savior who actually redeemed us at the command of THE savior, Jesus’ God.

 

[Behold]

God spoke from heaven at Jesus baptism and the holy spirit descended as a dove.

God the Father, you mean.
That's true., as God the Son (Emmanuel) was just water baptized.

Jesus = Emmanuel = ""God with us"", = "the Word became FLESH (a human), and the Word is John 1.... The pre-incarnate "Word was God".

 

[Soyeong]

Jesus explained who is looking for worship after telling all the other gods are false and that-the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth-John 4:22-24

In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law, and in Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth, so obedience to it is the way to worship the Father in spirit and in truth, though it also the way to worship the Son in spirit and in truth, so if someone is obeying the Mosaic Law, then what difference does it make for them to label what they are doing as worshiping the Father, as worshiping the Son, or if they do not give a label to what they are doing?

 

[Fred]

Here are undeniable facts of Israelite true God worship history= From Moses on up until this very day, they teach, serve and worship the Abrahamic God= a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--deceivers say otherwise.

Which means that any Unitarian who prays to Jesus is a deceiver.

The Watchtower: As the true and living God, Jehovah wants us to pray to Him, not to someone else. Prayer is part of our worship and for this reason should be directed only to the Creator, Jehovah. (Matt. 4:10) (How to Pray and Be Heard by God, May 15, 1969, page 293)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1969361

In fact, according to what the JW's believe those Unitarians who pray to Jesus can be assured that their prayers aren't even heard.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/john-17-3-what-jesus-taught.693/page-6#post-18793

 

[Fred]

Psalm 83:18--That people may know, that you whose name is YHWH(Jehovah) you alone( not they or we) are the most high over all the earth. YHWH(Jehovah)

In Psalm 83:13, Jehovah is referred to as "my God."
That Thomas properly referred to Jesus as "my God" in John 20:28 demonstrates Thomas believed Jesus is Jehovah (Psalm 83:13, 18).

 

[Fred]

Jesus explained who is looking for worship after telling all the other gods are false and that-the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth-John 4:22-24

The same Greek word for "worship" is properly used in reference to the Lord Jesus in John 9:38.

Watch Tower Reprints: And "Jesus heard that they had cast him out...and He found him," (vs. 35,) and became his teacher personally, and the man "worshiped Him." So with you, the Lord will hear of your witness for Him, and when you are separated from the nominal church--"Babylon"--your experience will be that Jesus himself will teach you and show you marvelous things of His truth and plan. And then you can indeed worship HIM-- in spirit and in truth, and no longer worship the creeds of men. Jesus' explanation of our trial in receiving him will be explained to us as to him: "For judgment (a trial) am I come into this world that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind." (vs. 39.) (By and By He is Offended, April 1881, Vol. 2, No. 10, page 214)

The Watchtower: The man that had been sightless from birth and whom Jesus had healed said in answer to the question, "Dost thou believe on the Son of God?" "Lord, I believe," and then worshiped Jesus. (Judgment Day For Jehovah's Vindication, June 15, 1947, Vol. 68, No. 12, page 185)

The boldface above is mine.

 

[Fred]

Agency.

The concept of Agency does not apply at all in the area of prayer that is directly rendered unto the Lord Jesus since one can just as easily render prayer directly unto the Father. An agent would be a party when the other party is not there and/or cannot be reached. An "agent" is therefore unnecessary.

 

[Wrangler]

The concept of Agency does not apply at all in the area of prayer that is directly rendered unto the Lord

Appeal to Diversion. Joshua prayed to an Angel. Doesn't make the creature the Creator. See Joshua 5:13-15.

 

[Fred]

Appeal to Diversion.

Say that to yourself because that is what you are attempting to do.

Joshua prayed to an Angel. Doesn't make the creature the Creator. See Joshua 5:13-15.

It means the Messenger Joshua prayed to is God. See Genesis 48:16.