381 ce the Council of Constantinoples corruption of God.

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In 381 CE at the council of Constantinople, Catholicism added the holy spirit to a godhead. No trinity was known or served prior to that event. Its recorded history fact. Its recorded history fact-the Israelites NEVER served the true living God as a trinity. That means Abraham, David, Daniel, etc even Jesus and every bible writer knew nothing of God being a trinity.--fact= The trinity does not exist. All serving it are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily. Jesus was NEVER with Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3)
Lets look at more facts.

Jesus teaches-John 17:3-The one who sent him= Father-is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
Paul teaches-1Cor 8:6-There is one God to all the Father.
Trinity religionsssssss teach-The true God = the Father, son and holy spirit

See they do not match.

In the Greek lexicons at John 1:1 the word is not called capitol G God--a god is correct. There have been many translations in history by Greek scholars with a god at John 1:1 because it is correct.

Who will you believe? Eternal life depends on it.
 
In 381 CE at the council of Constantinople, Catholicism added the holy spirit to a godhead. No trinity was known or served prior to that event. Its recorded history fact. Its recorded history fact-the Israelites NEVER served the true living God as a trinity. That means Abraham, David, Daniel, etc even Jesus and every bible writer knew nothing of God being a trinity.--fact= The trinity does not exist. All serving it are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily. Jesus was NEVER with Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3)
Lets look at more facts.

Jesus teaches-John 17:3-The one who sent him= Father-is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
Paul teaches-1Cor 8:6-There is one God to all the Father.
Trinity religionsssssss teach-The true God = the Father, son and holy spirit

See they do not match.

In the Greek lexicons at John 1:1 the word is not called capitol G God--a god is correct. There have been many translations in history by Greek scholars with a god at John 1:1 because it is correct.

Who will you believe? Eternal life depends on it.
a god is polytheism
 
In the NT, we frequently find the phrase, "God the Father". We never find this phrase, the OT, only in the New, after the incarnation of the Christ.

So if only the Father is God, then why did the Biblical authors need to DISTINGUISH the phrase, "God" with "the Father", instead of simply saying "God" as they did in the OT?
Why wasn't "God" sufficient?
Why the need for "God the Father"?

I will suggest an answer, it was to distinguish the Father from the Son, since the Son is also (the same) God.


Secondly, Paul created a convention of calling the Father "God" (without denying His Lordship), and calling Jesus "Lord" (without denying His deity). What many people don't realize (or at least appreciate is that the Jews CONSTANTLY referred to God as "Lord" in the OT. Taking the commandment to not take the Lord's name in vain to the extreme, they had a habit of NEVER uttering it. So when they were talking about Him to each other, or reading His name in Scripture, they would substitute His name with either "HaShem" ("the name"), or "Adonai" ("Lord"). In fact, that's how the name "Jehovah" came about, by taking the Tetragrammaton, "YHWH", and adding the vowel points for "adonai", and getting "Yahovah". So when the first century Jews were constantly referring to Jesus as "Lord", there were strong connotations of deity.

Finally, the major daily prayer for the Jews is the Sh'ma, Deut. 6:4-5:

Deut. 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
...............................................................YHWH......elohim.......YHWH

So not only were "Lord" and "God" deeply associated with each other in the Jews' daily prayer, this is associated with a New Testament passage, written by a very devout and knowledgeable Jew, namely Paul:

1 Cor. 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

This isn't Christian theology, it's Jewish theology, expanded with Christian revelation.
 
In 381 CE at the council of Constantinople, Catholicism added the holy spirit to a godhead. No trinity was known or served prior to that event. Its recorded history fact. Its recorded history fact-the Israelites NEVER served the true living God as a trinity. That means Abraham, David, Daniel, etc even Jesus and every bible writer knew nothing of God being a trinity.--fact= The trinity does not exist. All serving it are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily. Jesus was NEVER with Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3)
Lets look at more facts.

Jesus teaches-John 17:3-The one who sent him= Father-is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
Paul teaches-1Cor 8:6-There is one God to all the Father.
Trinity religionsssssss teach-The true God = the Father, son and holy spirit

See they do not match.

In the Greek lexicons at John 1:1 the word is not called capitol G God--a god is correct. There have been many translations in history by Greek scholars with a god at John 1:1 because it is correct.

Who will you believe? Eternal life depends on it.
The many gods/lords contrasted with the 1 God and 1 Lord

1 Cor 8:5-6
There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. 6But for us,

There is one God, the Father,
by whom all things were created,
and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things were created,
and through whom we live.

So we see the many lords/gods are false while the One God/Lord created all things, is before all things and is who we live through and by who we live through.

Only someone with presuppositions would read the text any other way to deny Christ of His glory that is equal with the Father.

see John 17:5 and Phil 2- He shares the equal glory, honor, praise, worship with the Father are creator of all things as per Heb 1:8-10 cf Rev 4-5.

hope this helps !!!
 
The angel of the Lord who is YHWH is worshiped as YHWH- the Lord God !

Gen 22:11-14

But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!"

"Here I am," he replied.

12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided."


Exodus 3:2, 5

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed…And he said, Draw not nigh thither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.”

Judg 6:11-28


The angel of the Lord came and sat down under the oak in Ophrah that belonged to Joash the Abiezrite, where his son Gideon was threshing wheat in a winepress to keep it from the Midianites. 12 When the angel of the Lord appeared to Gideon, he said, "The Lord is with you, mighty warrior."

13 "But sir," Gideon replied, "if the Lord is with us, why has all this happened to us? Where are all his wonders that our fathers told us about when they said, 'Did not the Lord bring us up out of Egypt? But now the Lord has abandoned us and put us into the hand of Midian."

14 The Lord turned to him and said, "Go in the strength you have and save Israel out of Midian's hand. Am I not sending you?"

15 "But Lord,” Gideon asked, "how can I save Israel? My clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my family."

16 The Lord answered, "I will be with you, and you will strike down all the Midianites together."

17 Gideon replied, "If now I have found favor in your eyes, give me a sign that it is really you talking to me. 18 Please do not go away until I come back and bring my offering and set it before you."

And the Lord said, "I will wait until you return."

19 Gideon went in, prepared a young goat, and from an ephah of flour he made bread without yeast. Putting the meat in a basket and its broth in a pot, he brought them out and offered them to him under the oak.

20 The angel of God said to him, "Take the meat and the unleavened bread, place them on this rock, and pour out the broth." And Gideon did so. 21 With the tip of the staff that was in his hand, the angel of the Lord touched the meat and the unleavened bread. Fire flared from the rock, consuming the meat and the bread. And the angel of the Lord disappeared. 22 When Gideon realized that it was the angel of the Lord, he exclaimed, "Ah, Sovereign Lord! I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face!"

23 But the Lord said to him, "Peace! Do not be afraid. You are not going to die."

24 So Gideon built an altar to the Lord there and called it The Lord is Peace. To this day it stands in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.

25 That same night the Lord said to him, "Take the second bull from your father's herd, the one seven years old.Tear down your father's altar to Baal and cut down the Asherah pole beside it. 26 Then build a proper kind of altar to the Lord your God on the top of this height. Using the wood of the Asherah pole that you cut down, offer the second bull as a burnt offering."

27 So Gideon took ten of his servants and did as the Lord told him. But because he was afraid of his family and the men of the town, he did it at night rather than in the daytime.

28 In the morning when the men of the town got up, there was Baal's altar, demolished, with the Asherah pole beside it cut down and the second bull sacrificed on the newly built altar!

Since God took the form of a man in the person of the preincarnate Jesus Christ this has to mean that Jesus Christ is God. So on what basis do I come to this conclusion? On the basis of what Jesus Christ Himself said at John 6:46, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath seen the Father." And on the basis of the testimony of Old Testament saints themselves. Look at Genesis 16:13, "Then she/Hagar called the name OF THE LORD WHO spoke to her, Thou art a God who sees; for she said, Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him." Genesis 18 reading the whole chapter. Here is what vs1 states, "Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he/Abraham was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day." Please read the rest of the chapter and cross reference what Genesis 21:2 says regarding Genesis 18. "So Sarah conceived and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the appointed time OF WHICH GOD HAD SPOKEN TO HIM."

And who appeared to Isaac at Genesis 26:2? "And the Lord appeared to him and said, "Do not go down to Egypt, stay in the land of which I shall tell you." Now look at Genesis 26:3, "Sojourn in this land and I will be with you and bless you, for to your and to your descendants I will give all these lands, and I will ESTABLISH THE OATH WHICH I SWORE TO YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM."

Where did God swear this oath to Abraham ? Look at the whole chapter of Genesis 22 specifically verses 11-18. It was the angel of the Lord/Jesus Christ who swore the oath and He is identified as, what did you say, "God introduced Himself in the first person singular as "The Being." In fact, even the New Testament backs up this first person singular being swearing the oath by Himself at Hebrews 6:13,14, "For when GOD made the promise to Abraham, SINCE HE COULD NOT SWEAR BY NO ONE GREATER, HE SWORE BY HIMSELF. saying, "I will surely bless you; and I will surely multiply you." If you believe that it was an angel that swore the oath on Gods behalf than why does the text say God swore the oath BY HIMSELF AND THERE IS NO ONE GREATER, especially angels who are created like the rest of us mere humans.

John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.


John 6:46

No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.


Col 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.


1 Tim 1:17
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.


1 Tim 6:13-16
I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time — God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.


1 John 4:12
12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

YHWH(God Almighty) revealed himself to Moses in the burning bush (Ex. 3:2-15). It was I AM that spoke with Moses, we are told it was the angel of the Lord that appeared to him. Jesus said to the Jews that He was the I Am that appeared to Moses (John 8:58). The Word (John 1:1) the 2nd Person of the Trinity is who appeared and came down from heaven as the angel of Jehovah. He appeared as a man. This angel of the Lord is called Yahweh in (Gen. 19:1-13, 33). God went before the Hebrews in the wilderness. What they saw was the pillar of cloud and the pillar of fire (Ex. 13:21-22). Paul declared it was Christ who appeared in the wilderness and it was Christ the Lord who was tempted.(1 Cor 10:1-12)

John 1:18 says, "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God/Son who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared of explained Him." And then there is John 6:46, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath sen the Father." The point being made is the fact that the Son of God is the visible manifestation of God (Hebrews 1:3) and the kicker verse if you wil is John 5:37, "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. YOU HAVE NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME, NOR SEEN HIS FORM." So Jesus here out His own mouth says you have neither heard the Fathers voice nor seen His form."


conclusion: Someone else besides the Father is who was seen and heard in the OY who is identified as YHWH and its not the Father according to Christ. This should put an end to unitarianism. the question is who is the final authority on all things concerning God ? Is it Christ and the Apostles or is it the unitarians false concept of God ? Who do you believe ? :)

I rest my case !

hope this helps !!!
 
a god is polytheism
A god means--has godlike qualities. It is not calling that one God, same at 2 Cor 4:4-satan is called god-means has godlike qualities.
Trinity bibles in simple english at John 1:1 In the beginning God( word) was, and the God( word) was with God( = impossible) and God( Word) was God)---if the word is God), but he is not, the word has godlike qualities-Why? Because he is Gods image.( Col 1:15) God gave him all authority. God did all the powerful works -THROUGH- Jesus-Acts 2:22.
 
The many gods/lords contrasted with the 1 God and 1 Lord

1 Cor 8:5-6
There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. 6But for us,

There is one God, the Father,
by whom all things were created,
and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things were created,
and through whom we live.

So we see the many lords/gods are false while the One God/Lord created all things, is before all things and is who we live through and by who we live through.

Only someone with presuppositions would read the text any other way to deny Christ of His glory that is equal with the Father.

see John 17:5 and Phil 2- He shares the equal glory, honor, praise, worship with the Father are creator of all things as per Heb 1:8-10 cf Rev 4-5.

hope this helps !!!
Created-THROUGH Jesus= another did the creating, as Gen 1:27--HE( singular) did the creating. Same at Prov 8--God called HE( Singular) did the creating. Jesus is the master worker of Prov 8:30= The one beside God during the creation process, Jesus gives 100% credit to HE(God) for the creating at Prov 8.
 
A god means--has godlike qualities. It is not calling that one God, same at 2 Cor 4:4-satan is called god-means has godlike qualities.
Trinity bibles in simple english at John 1:1 In the beginning God( word) was, and the God( word) was with God( = impossible) and God( Word) was God)---if the word is God), but he is not, the word has godlike qualities-Why? Because he is Gods image.( Col 1:15) God gave him all authority. God did all the powerful works -THROUGH- Jesus-Acts 2:22.
The verse does not state the word has godlike properties

Rather it states the word was God

and he was with the God

The verse does not say the word was the God which would indicate the same identity - the same person

rather the word was God

A proper translation could read what God was the word was
 
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The verse does not state the word has godlike properties

Rather it states the word was God

and he was with the God

The verse does not say the word was the God which would indicate the same identity - the same person

rather the word was God

A proper translation could read what God was the word was
In the Greek lexicons The word is called Theos, as is satan at 2 Cor 4:4--While in both cases the true God is called Ton Theon--to show a difference of God and god. Trinity translations have god at 2 Cor 4:4 for Theos in the same paragraph with Ton Theon., translating is the same at both spots. Its fact.
 
In the Greek lexicons The word is called Theos, as is satan at 2 Cor 4:4--While in both cases the true God is called Ton Theon--to show a difference of God and god. Trinity translations have god at 2 Cor 4:4 for Theos in the same paragraph with Ton Theon., translating is the same at both spots. Its fact.
Nothing new here. I pointed that out in my previous post using English and explained

The verse is not saying the word and the father (God) are the same person

but qualitively stating what God was the word was

Robert Bowman "Why you should believe in the trinity"

puts theos in the class of qualitative of substance or essence. Nouns in this class are used to identify the substance, essence, or nature of something.
also
These many differences in translation are due to the Greek sentence structure. In this type of equational sentence in Greek (A = B) the subject can be distinguished from the predicate by the fact that the subject has the article before it and the predicate does not. Since “God” does not have the article preceding it, “God” is clearly the predicate and “the Word” is the subject. This means that “God” is here the equivalent of an adjective, and this fact justifies the rendering he (the Word) was the same as God. John is not saying that “the Word” was God the Father, but he is affirming that the same divine predication can be made of “the Word” as can be made of God the Father, and so “the Word” can be spoken of as God in the same sense.

Barclay Moon Newman and Eugene Albert Nida, A Handbook on the Gospel of John (UBS Handbook Series; New York: United Bible Societies, 1993), 8.
 
Nothing new here. I pointed that out in my previous post using English and explained

The verse is not saying the word and the father (God) are the same person

but qualitively stating what God was the word was

Robert Bowman "Why you should believe in the trinity"

puts theos in the class of qualitative of substance or essence. Nouns in this class are used to identify the substance, essence, or nature of something.
also
These many differences in translation are due to the Greek sentence structure. In this type of equational sentence in Greek (A = B) the subject can be distinguished from the predicate by the fact that the subject has the article before it and the predicate does not. Since “God” does not have the article preceding it, “God” is clearly the predicate and “the Word” is the subject. This means that “God” is here the equivalent of an adjective, and this fact justifies the rendering he (the Word) was the same as God. John is not saying that “the Word” was God the Father, but he is affirming that the same divine predication can be made of “the Word” as can be made of God the Father, and so “the Word” can be spoken of as God in the same sense.

Barclay Moon Newman and Eugene Albert Nida, A Handbook on the Gospel of John (UBS Handbook Series; New York: United Bible Societies, 1993), 8.
You would have to teach--God has a God if Jesus were God. He was a perfect mortal. A mortal was killed. God cannot be killed.
 
You would have to teach--God has a God if Jesus were God. He was a perfect mortal. A mortal was killed. God cannot be killed.
Jesus was both man and God

He was afterall from the beginning

John 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

and all things were made by him
 
Jesus was both man and God

He was afterall from the beginning

John 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

and all things were made by him
God did all the powerful works-THROUGH- Jesus. Acts 2:22
 
An ordinary man who was there before all created things?

Who created all things
The firstborn of all creation= created direct, first and last. Jehovah created all things-Gen 1:27--HE( Not we) did the creating--Prov 8--HE( not we) did the creating.
 
The firstborn of all creation= created direct, first and last. Jehovah created all things-Gen 1:27--HE( Not we) did the creating--Prov 8--HE( not we) did the creating.
Nope firstborn - preeminence

Psalm 89:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, Higher than the kings of the earth.


all things were created through him and without him nothing was created so he cannot be a created being
 
Nope firstborn - preeminence

Psalm 89:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, Higher than the kings of the earth.


all things were created through him and without him nothing was created so he cannot be a created being
Says trinity religions because facts prove they are false. Do you understand--THROUGH HIM= another did all the creating-HE( God) did all the creating. He created Jesus first and last direct, then created all other things through the being that was sent to earth and named Jesus as a mortal. He wasn't named Jesus in the OT, only as a mortal.
 
Says trinity religions because facts prove they are false. Do you understand--THROUGH HIM= another did all the creating-HE( God) did all the creating. He created Jesus first and last direct, then created all other things through the being that was sent to earth and named Jesus as a mortal. He wasn't named Jesus in the OT, only as a mortal.
Sorry all things were created through him and without him nothing was made

He cannot be a created being seeing as nothing was made without him
 
Sorry all things were created through him and without him nothing was made

He cannot be a created being seeing as nothing was made without him
Your translations are erred by the great apostasy ( Catholicism) translating to fit false council teachings.
 
Your translations are erred by the great apostasy ( Catholicism) translating to fit false council teachings.
Sorry there is no other viable translation

John 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Not even your New World translation

(NWT) All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence
 
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