civic
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Which god ? Sounds like polytheism
The Eternal Son
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DavidTree
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Elohim = sounds like "gods"Which god ? Sounds like polytheism
In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part
God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods
2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God
created
בָּרָ֣א (bā·rā)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1254: 1) to create, shape, form 1a) (Qal) to shape, fashion, create (always with God as subject) 1a1) of heaven and earth 1a2) of individual man 1a3) of new conditions and circumstances 1a4) of transformations 1b) (Niphal) to be created 1b1) of heaven and earth 1b2) of birth 1b3) of something new 1b4) of miracles 1c) (Piel) 1c1) to cut down 1c2) to cut out 2) to be fat 2a) (Hiphil) to make yourselves fat
civic
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Amen to the Eternal Son in whom is found Eternal Life.
Runningman
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You're being silly by saying that Jesus is the Word when John 1 doesn't say that. I am being rational. Where is Jesus ever called the Word even one time in all of Scripture?
Runningman
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Dizerner
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???
Revelation says his name is called The Word of God.
Hebrews also calls him the Word with whom we have to do.
TibiasDad
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Civic, you need to consider carefully: Eternity is that which has no beginning, nor stands in reference to time ~ Son supposes time, generation, and father; time is also antedent to such generation~therefore, the conjunction of the two terms: Son and eternity~is "absolutely impossible" as they imply different and opposite ideal. Words must have meaning, or else, how can we communicate with each other on a level where we can understand each other? I understand eternity and I also understand the word son, and so do my readers, and we should know how to use each word properly, without confusing the meaning of either.
Only in face Jesus Christ can we behold the glory of God!
The Eternal Sonship is a dogma that is discredited logically by self contradiction. To contend that Jesus was eternally begotten is a manifest contradiction of term. We ask: can an object begin and not begun? No. The saying within itself is most absurd. Why do not people consider this, and understand it? Acts 28:25-27 is the answer.
Civic, you need to consider carefully: Eternity is that which has no beginning, nor stands in reference to time ~ Son supposes time, generation, and father; time is also antedent to such generation~therefore, the conjunction of the two terms: Son and eternity~is "absolutely impossible" as they imply different and opposite ideal. Words must have meaning, or else, how can we communicate with each other on a level where we can understand each other? I understand eternity and I also understand the word son, and so do my readers, and we should know how to use each word properly, without confusing the meaning of either.
The Word was indeed God, period....the "Word was NOT begotten" by God, Jesus the Son of God was God's only begotten Son, in the manner in which he was begotten around two thousand years ago. The Word joined Himself to the tabernacle of the Son of God and thus God was manifest in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, who was the express image of the Living God in the flesh...Jesus, is the ONLY God angels or man will ever see, since God is a Spirit that lives in eternity, which no man or angels can ever see and live.
1st Timothy 6:15,16
“Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."Only in face Jesus Christ can we behold the glory of God!
2 Corinthians 4:6
“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
Dizerner
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civic
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If Monogenes is defined as unique, one of a kind or preeminent I have no problem using it that way.
Runningman
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Revelation 19 doesn't say Jesus is the rider on the white hourse. The Bible is just vague enough to be interpretted so many ways about several points. This is probably how you all are able to maintain plausibility deniability about the trinity doctrine. There is just enough obscurity to use as leverage to hide behind seemingly endless theological smoke screens.
TibiasDad
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Only God is eternal. If the Word was God in the beginning, then his being existent in at the point of the beginning means that he was existing in eternity before creation began. Thus he is necessarily existent!
Doug
Runningman
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"The Word became flesh" has no precedent for an incarnation though.
Dizerner
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Absolutely amazing.
I've never seen even a single Unitarian deny this reference.
I will pray for you for sure.
civic
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Runningman
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I want to show you something interesting. After that, let's see if you still think I need prayer. Beginning at Revelation 17:14, John provided a step-by-step chronologically-ordered account of what he saw, after Jesus was on earth, leading right up to the rider in heaven. Jesus on earth isn't in the same location as the rider in heaven.
Rev. 17:14 - They will make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will triumph over them,
Rev. 18:1 - After this...
Rev. 18:4 - Then...
Rev. 18:9- Then...
Rev. 18:19- Then...
Rev. 18:21- Then...
Rev. 19:1 - After this...
Rev. 19:5 - Then...
Rev. 19:9 - Then...
Rev. 19:11 - Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse.
Rev. 19:17 - Then...
Rev. 19:19- Then...
TibiasDad
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Rev 19:11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Who else could it be talking about with names like those in bold?
Doug
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'I have glorified Thee on the earth:
I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self
with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.'
(John 17:4-5)
'For the Father judgeth no man,
but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son
honoureth not the Father
which hath sent Him.'
(Joh 5:22-23)
Praise His Holy Name!
I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self
with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.'
(John 17:4-5)
'For the Father judgeth no man,
but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son
honoureth not the Father
which hath sent Him.'
(Joh 5:22-23)
Praise His Holy Name!
