The Eternal Son

[DavidTree]

Let’s stay on topic which was your request to defend John 1:1 and the logos. I was taking the opposite position of the Trinitarian view. In fact there are orthodox Trinitarians that do not hold to the logos in John 1:1 as a person. They use other passages to defend it.

AGREE = We are BOTH speaking of the Plurality of Elohim/Let Us/from Genesis chapter 1
This is the EXACT declaration of John 1:1

We both agree and know that John 1:1 is a Person
The NT Scriptures declare 'This Person' of John 1:1 to be Equal with Elohim/God who then descends to earth in the
womb of Mary = Isaiah 9:6 & John 1:14

 

[DavidTree]

The discussion is John 1:1- logos remember

John 1:1 is NOT an island unto itself

John 1:1 is DEPENDENT upon Genesis 1:1-3

Without Genesis 1:1-3 there does not exist John 1:1

We are commanded by God to obey His words = Proverbs 30:5-6 and Matthew 4:4

i asked you, where does Proverbs 30:5-6 come from because some may assume it is a generality and not a commandment.

Since you do not know where it comes from i will post it here for all to SEE = Deuteronomy 4:2

“Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you.
You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it,
that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

 

[civic]

John 1:1 is NOT an island unto itself

John 1:1 is DEPENDENT upon Genesis 1:1-3

Without Genesis 1:1-3 there does not exist John 1:1

We are commanded by God to obey His words = Proverbs 30:5-6 and Matthew 4:4

i asked you, where does Proverbs 30:5-6 come from because some may assume it is a generality and not a commandment.

Since you do not know where it comes from i will post it here for all to SEE = Deuteronomy 4:2

“Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and [a]possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you.
You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it,
that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

I see you cannot prove the word is a person from John 1:1 and from Genesis chapter 1.

 

[DavidTree]

I see you cannot prove the word is a person from John 1:1 and from Genesis chapter 1.

LOL = the Holy Spirit PROVED for us

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

 

[Dizerner]

Yes, all of three of the Trinity in Genesis 1.

The Father, the Word and Light, and the Spirit.

 

[DavidTree]

Yes, all of three of the Trinity in Genesis 1.

The Father, the Word and Light, and the Spirit.

Did you notice the 'Occupation' of the Holy Spirit in Genesis 1:1-3

 

[Dizerner]

Did you notice the 'Occupation' of the Holy Spirit in Genesis 1:1-3

Of course, it is the word for a bird brooding over a nest, which is really lovely.

Most puzzling, however, is the dark and chaotic nature of initial creation in darkness.

 

[civic]

Yes, all of three of the Trinity in Genesis 1.

The Father, the Word and Light, and the Spirit.

Nope nice try , just God. God is spirit who spoke the world into existence

 

[Dizerner]

Nope nice try , just God.

What?!

Last time I checked God is Three Persons, lol.

We aren't Muslims here.

 

[civic]

What?!

Last time I checked God is Three Persons, lol.

We aren't Muslims here.

I’m taking the opposing view not what I personally believe.

 

[DavidTree]

Of course, it is the word for a bird brooding over a nest, which is really lovely.

Most puzzling, however, is the dark and chaotic nature of initial creation in darkness.

Run with this which you said = "it is the word for a bird brooding over a nest"

Where does it lead us???
Clue = in NT Scripture..............

 

[civic]

This is like debating the Calvinist who can’t see past their presuppositions

 

[DavidTree]

This is like debating the Calvinist who can’t see past their presuppositions

You mean - Clavinistical theological miscalculations

 

[DavidTree]

Nope nice try , just God. God is spirit who spoke the world into existence

Which God Spoke???

 

[TibiasDad]

John 1 never says Jesus is the Word.

Now you’re just being silly…

Doug

 

[Dizerner]

Run with this which you said = "it is the word for a bird brooding over a nest"

Where does it lead us??? Clue = in NT Scripture..............

How often he wanted to gather them like a hen gathers her chicks under her wings.

 

[DavidTree]

How often he wanted to gather them like a hen gathers her chicks under her wings.

Go back to Genesis 1:2 - then dwell on NT Scripture = it will come to you

 

[Runningman]

Only a person who is unlearned in the Holy Scriptures would say this.

You desperately need JESUS to pray for you to the FATHER.

No one comes to the FATHER but thru ME/JESUS

In the Old Testament the "Word" isn't a person, but is written about poetically in Psalms and personified repeatedly.

 

[DavidTree]

How often he wanted to gather them like a hen gathers her chicks under her wings.

i just want to say = THANK YOU for your Post# 687

If you want to know, that which you said in Post 687 is PURE GOSPEL TRUTH of the HIGHEST, i will share with you,
if you cannot find it.

 

[DavidTree]

In the Old Testament the "Word" isn't a person, but is written about poetically in Psalms and personified repeatedly.

Psalm119:105 = "Thy Word is a Lamp unto my feet, a LIGHT unto my path"

JESUS = "IAM the LIGHT of the world, he who believes on ME will never walk in darkness." - John 8:12

JESUS is God = "God is Light and in Him is no darkness" - 1 John 1:5