Contrary to the biblical gospel
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Berean Standard Bible
1 Jn 2:3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. implies yes we can know HIM, ie, HIS nature as loving, righteous and just - it can be extrapolated from HIS commands.
and does not
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. imply that we CAN know the one true GOD?
1 Corinthians 13:4–7 (ESV) — 4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
brightfame52
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Its the Gospel and you cant receive it.
civic
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TUlIP is not the gospel and if you are equating it with the gospel then I’ll go on record saying it’s a false gospel according to Paul in Galatians 1.
brightfame52
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Yes TULIP is the Gospel, so you need to think about that.
civic
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you have just confessed a false gospel and replaced the true gospel with the teaching of man, specifically calvin. Jesus has been replaced by calvin.
yikes
brightfame52
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If you reject tulip as being the tenants of the Gospel of Gods Grace, unfortunately you reject the Gospel of Gods Grace, you are at Gods Mercy friend
civic
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BLASPHEMY
brightfame52
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We will see, Judgment day will tell
civic
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I don't think you want to stand before Christ telling Him that He is not the gospel and TULIP is the gospel.
I would hate to be in your shoes on that day.
brightfame52
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I dont think you want to stand before Christ as one who denies His Gospel, remember Matt 10 33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
We deny Christ when we deny the saving efficacy of His Death for His Sheep. If we believe Christ died for anyone who ends up lost in their sins, we deny Him
The Rogue Tomato
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Yes, and I've stated it many times. There's no point in stating it fully again, so this should be satisfactory to anyone with ears to hear: We have a will, and we make choices. The natural man's will is bound to his inclination, which is being a slave to sin. When we are saved, our will is expanded to enable a righteous will. Then we become slaves to righteousness, though we will never be completely sinless until we are given our glorious body.
brightfame52
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@The Rogue Tomato
Correct naturally we are servants or slaves to sin. Not until Christ Miraculously sets us free Jn 8:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Jesus means this:
Correct naturally we are servants or slaves to sin. Not until Christ Miraculously sets us free Jn 8:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Jesus means this:
- set at liberty: from the dominion of sin
God determines all in Calvinism there is no independent will
and the choices man makes in Calvinism are those he was determined to make
If God merely foresaw human events, and did not also arrange and dispose of them at his pleasure, there might be room for agitating the question, how far his foreknowledge amounts to necessity; but since he foresees the things which are to happen, simply because he has decreed that they are so to happen, it is vain to debate about prescience, while it is clear that all events take place by his sovereign appointment.
(John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)
…God is the only being who is ultimately self-determining, and is himself ultimately the disposer of all things, including all choices — however many or diverse other intervening causes are. On this definition, no human being has free will, at any time. Neither before or after the fall, or in heaven, are creatures ultimately self-determining. A beginners guide to free will
God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes—as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem—God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child…
All the Good That Is Ours in Christ
“Never shall I forget those moments that murdered my God and my soul and turned my dreams to ashes.” Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel wrote these words in light of his horrific experience at Auschwitz. He questioned where God was during his unjust suffering. Many of us wonder the same.
www.desiringgod.org
Nothing that exists or occurs falls outside God’s ordaining will. Nothing, including no evil person or thing or event or deed. God’s foreordination is the ultimate reason why everything comes about, including the existence of all evil persons and things and the occurrence of any evil acts or events. And so it is not inappropriate to take God to be the creator, the sender, the permitter, and sometimes even the instigator of evil… Nothing — no evil thing or person or event or deed — falls outside God’s ordaining will. Nothing arises, exists, or endures independently of God’s will. So when even the worst of evils befall us, they do not ultimately come from anywhere other than God’s hand.
b Talbot, "All the Good That Is Ours in Christ", in Suffering and the Sovereignty of God, ed. John Piper and Justin Taylor,
Quote may be found
All the Good That Is Ours in Christ
“Never shall I forget those moments that murdered my God and my soul and turned my dreams to ashes.” Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel wrote these words in light of his horrific experience at Auschwitz. He questioned where God was during his unjust suffering. Many of us wonder the same.
www.desiringgod.org
how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice afforded by the suggestion that evils come to be, not by His will but by His permission…It is a quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing, but the author of them ” (John Calvin, “The Eternal Predestination of God,” 10:11)
Calvinist; Dr. James N. Anderson, of the Reformed Theological Seminary, Charlotte NC, in his published work; Calvinism and the first sin, states the underlying proposition: “It should be conceded at the outset, and without embarrassment, that Calvinism is indeed committed to divine determinism: the view that everything is ultimately determined by God…..take it for granted as something on which the vast majority of Calvinists uphold, and may be expressed as the following: “For every event [E], God decided that [E] should happen and that decision alone was the ultimate sufficient cause of [E].
Calvinism and the problem of evil pg 204.205
Already have. The real one.
brightfame52
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@TomL
Correct, Gods will determines mans will, and man is still accountable to God for their sinful actions.
Prov 16:9
A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.
Jer 10 23
O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Correct, Gods will determines mans will, and man is still accountable to God for their sinful actions.
Prov 16:9
A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.
Jer 10 23
O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
brightfame52
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Not if you believe that Jesus died for all mankind, thats not the Jesus of Holy scripture, He died exclusively for His Sheep and saved them from all sin ! Do you believe in that Jesus ?
Yes, this at least is true but not all the rest of tulip....
