The Elect

In other words, He lovingly let the majority of men go to hell.
You are making a mistake about PCE theology because or your prior acceptance of the concept that GOD's only creation of people is fulfilled in mankind. If that were true then your objections would be valid but it is not true. Uncountable billions of the people HE created are safely in heaven with HIM. ONLY SINNERS were flung into the earth ie, into Sheol inside the earth, Rev 12:4-9, to later be sown (not created) into this world of mankind as we are taught in Matt 13:36-39.

Yes in mankind, the vast majority of sinners are indeed condemned reprobate but that is acceptable because these reprobate are not new creations but are a small portion of the whole of HIS creation, a small portion who joined Satan in his fall.

Those one third of the stars that Satan flung into the earth by means of his power over them were NOT the whole of the reprobate condemned already but were the elect who rebelled against their GOD when HE called for them to come out from among the Satanic reprobate so the judgement against sinners could be called. By rebelling against this call they became sinful also and so the call for judgement was postponed, Matt 13:27-30.

The reprobate outside of HIS promise of salvation (a promise called election) are those other sinners which Michael and all the holy and eect angels flung into the earth into Sheol to be sown into mankind also, Matt 13:38-39, to where they return upon their death, Ps 9:17 as a word study of shuv - to return in that verse proves.

So by no means did HE create the vast majority of the people HE created as sinners destined for hell - that is someone else's theology.

If God desires all men to be saved, how is it loving for him to let men override his desire for them to be saved?
The three Persons who shared the unique attributes of Godliness, who called their Unity YHWH, decided to increase the amount of love HE (YHWH) shared by creating others who could share with HIM and so increase the amount of love in existence, to culminate in HIS marriage to HIS creation.

But HE realized only a truly free will choice to love would enable the created person to become a real loving person. Since HE was not a Borg willing to have a Stepford wife, HE created everyone in HIS image with a free will and an equal ability and opportunity to choose to either put their faith in HIS claims to be our GOD and the only Saviour from sin for the purpose of becoming HIS Bride OR to put their faith in HIM being a liar about the reality HE presented to us and as a liar, to be rejected as a false god.

IF we have no free will we are not guilty of the evil choices we make yet scripture asserts we are guilty over and over and over...

IF we have no free will then GOD created us to do evil and is the source of our evil yet HE claims to be loving and holy...

thus my evidence for the necessity of our free will is self evident in GOD's revelation that HE is loving and holy yet evil exists...

SO,
the answer to how is it loving to allow people to override HIS desire for them not to be in hell resides in HIS purpose for our creation to be HIS Bride and the necessity of our free will to achieve that purpose which also necessitated the ability of any who wanted to to chose to thwart HIS purpose for their creation and to rebuke HIM as a false god and to refuse HIM as their GOD and saviour from any sin...the ability to eternally rebel had to also be a part of HIS reality.

NO FREE WILL means no guilt for sin due to no mens rea and no heavenly marriage but only a marriage based upon rape.
 
IF we have no free will then GOD created us to do evil and is the source of our evil yet HE claims to be loving and holy...
Sure. Calvinism tries to put a round peg in a square hole. It doesn't fit and nothing they do to make it fit will work.
NO FREE WILL means no guilt for sin due to no mens rea and no heavenly marriage but only a marriage based upon rape.
I agree but I'd probably put it down as marriage based upon compulsion. :)
 
You misrepresent Calvinism. It doesn't say there is just one player. It says God came first. Both Scripture and logic demand that there be only one first cause, from which all else descends causally. That doesn't mean that man does not choose and cause, and be affected by influences —causes, all— including God himself, through the Spirit of God, to accomplish precisely what God purposed for him to choose and cause.

In fact, logically, man's choices are real ONLY if God causes them. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
Nope Calvinism holds to divine meticulous determination of all things

If God merely foresaw human events, and did not also arrange and dispose of them at his pleasure, there might be room for agitating the question, how far his foreknowledge amounts to necessity; but since he foresees the things which are to happen, simply because he has decreed that they are so to happen, it is vain to debate about prescience, while it is clear that all events take place by his sovereign appointment.
(John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)

God is the only being who is ultimately self-determining, and is himself ultimately the disposer of all things, including all choices — however many or diverse other intervening causes are. On this definition, no human being has free will, at any time. Neither before or after the fall, or in heaven, are creatures ultimately self-determining
A beginners guide to free will

“God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes—as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem—God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child…


Nothing that exists or occurs falls outside God’s ordaining will. Nothing, including no evil person or thing or event or deed. God’s foreordination is the ultimate reason why everything comes about, including the existence of all evil persons and things and the occurrence of any evil acts or events. And so it is not inappropriate to take God to be the creator, the sender, the permitter, and sometimes even the instigator of evil… Nothing — no evil thing or person or event or deed — falls outside God’s ordaining will. Nothing arises, exists, or endures independently of God’s will. So when even the worst of evils befall us, they do not ultimately come from anywhere other than God’s hand.

b Talbot, "All the Good That Is Ours in Christ", in Suffering and the Sovereignty of God, ed. John Piper and Justin Taylor,

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I've seen on here someone who says Jesus is the elect, not believers. 1 Thessalonians says otherwise:

NKJV
2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, 4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God.

NIV
4 For we know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that he has chosen you
Your OP title is "The Elect". Which election are you talking about? There are different elections and different aspects of election. It's very easy to blend together the following types of elections into one massive mess to where nothing makes sense:
  1. There is election onto salvation. ( 2 Th 2:13)
  2. There is election onto a vocation (i.e.: the good works that God has preordained for us). (Eph 2:10)
  3. Christ is God's Archetype Elect. (1 Pet 2:4)
  4. We inherit election "in Christ" (Eph 1:4) when are positioned "in Christ" by believing "in Christ".
  5. There is the purpose of God according to election. (Rom 9:11; The Election of the Cross)
  6. There is the Biblical fact that election is conditional on our diligence. (1 Pet 1:10)
  7. Angels are elect. (1 Tim 5:21)
 
No it does not help!!!!!! You didn't address the passage that I quoted. Let's have your response to Paul's specific teaching in that specific passage. I'd really like to see how you explain it away. Specifically "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION"
The election of the Cross was preordained/purposed by God and as such God determined events and people which would allow the Cross to take place. For us personally now in post-Crucifix times, since Christ is the Elect One, we therefore inherit election when are positioned "in Christ" (Eph 1:4) when we believe "in Christ" (Eph 1:13).
 
GOD has no right nor willingness nor ability to do anything outside of HIS loving holy nature. What HE pleases can have no hint of unfairness, unlovingness, unrighteousness nor lack of justice as so many use it to mean that HE can do anything, even evil, but because it is HIM doing it, it must be right.
And, of course, since you know what is loving for him to do, and what is not, I should take your word for what is in his loving nature. This life is not for this life.
 

And, of course, since you know what is loving for him to do, and what is not, I should take your word for what is in his loving nature.
Let's put it this way. When we know what he tells us is love for us to do that reflects what God will do. Think of the LOVE chapter in 1 Cor 13. If in your way of thinking you just can't REALLY KNOW what LOVE is (for God is LOVE) then you can't really keep these words of love instruction.

So what do we know what love is. Love is fair and just and doesn't show favoritism or does it show partiality That alone should cause one to set aside Calvinism. .
 
Your OP title is "The Elect". Which election are you talking about? There are different elections and different aspects of election.
I suggest there is ONE election wth different aspects like there was only one elephant perceived from different points of view.
 
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