The Elect

[Diserner]

The "if" is in the Conditional clause brother-just look them up and I agree-and so are the God of the Imperatives-that "if" is full of dunamis.

That word alone disproves Eternal Security.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Glad to hear-how do you know you are part of the "elect" and do you have assurance of your eternal destination?
Guess no need to preach to the "un-elect" since they are damned and hated by God-correct?

And yet-when I read the Scriptures it goes contrary to what Calvin is saying-for the "un-elect" there is no hope, no future, just awaiting final damnation.

That's not what the Bible is saying-in the 13 Pauline epistles. Rightly dividing.

Straw man. When Paul wrote his epistles, he treated the people he was writing to as the elect. It was the default assumption.

 

[Johann]

Been there done that have the T-shirt to proved it.

Sam Shamoun's favorite saying and if I'm not mistaken-Joyce Meyer.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Sam Shamoun's favorite saying and if I'm not mistaken-Joyce Meyer.

You had to mention that name. Now I have to find my vomit bucket.

 

[Johann]

Straw man. When Paul wrote his epistles, he treated the people he was writing to as the elect. It was the default assumption.

Guess you haven't read the 13 Pauline epistles-and thanks for not answering a simple, direct question.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Guess you haven't read the 13 Pauline epistles-and thanks for not answering a simple, direct question.

Yeah, I've only read Romans, not any of the rest of the Bible.

 

[Johann]

You had to mention that name. Now I have to find my vomit bucket.

yes- she is quite something.

 

[Johann]

Yeah, I've only read Romans, not any of the rest of the Bible.

Don't fret-there's still time-plenty-it is how we USE our time that matters-
J.

 

[Johann]

That word alone disproves Eternal Security.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

You think we can be "unsealed" after having been sealed BY the Holy Spirit?

 

[Diserner]

You think we can be "unsealed" after having been sealed BY the Holy Spirit?

Of course.

Seals are broken in the Bible it happens all the time.

In fact, due to my own personal pride I have personally experienced it.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Of course.

Seals are broken in the Bible it happens all the time.

In fact, due to my own personal pride I have personally experienced it.

That explains a lot.

 

[Aeliana]

yes- she is quite something.

Oh then you're going to love this.

 

[civic]

I know you are, but what am I.

The only penal theory is PSA the new kid on the block

 

[Johann]

Of course.

Seals are broken in the Bible it happens all the time.

In fact, due to my own personal pride I have personally experienced it.

Do you know what a Perfect Tense is in Scripture?

ye also: Eph_2:11, Eph_2:12, Col_1:21-23, 1Pe_2:10
after that ye heard: Eph_4:21, Joh_1:17, Rom_6:17, Rom_10:14-17, Col_1:4-6, Col_1:23, 1Th_2:13
the word: Psa_119:43, 2Co_6:7, 2Ti_2:15, Jas_1:18
the gospel: Mar_16:15, Mar_16:16, Act_13:26, Rom_1:16, 2Ti_3:15, Tit_2:11, Heb_2:3
ye were: Eph_4:30, Joh_6:27, Rom_4:11, 2Co_1:22, 2Ti_2:19, Rev_7:2
holy: Joe_2:28, Luk_11:13, Luk_24:49, Joh_14:16, Joh_14:17, Joh_14:26, Joh_15:26, Joh_16:7-15, Act_1:4, Act_2:16-22, Act_2:33, Gal_3:14
Reciprocal: Exo_28:11 - engravings of a signet 2Ch_16:7 - Because Psa_86:2 - trusteth Psa_125:1 - that trust Pro_16:20 - whoso Son_2:12 - of the turtle Son_4:12 - sealed Son_8:5 - leaning Jer_32:10 - and sealed Eze_36:27 - I will Dan_3:28 - that trusted Zep_3:12 - and Mat_12:21 - General Luk_15:22 - a ring Joh_4:14 - shall be Joh_5:23 - all men Joh_7:39 - this spake Act_9:31 - and in Rom_5:5 - shed Rom_8:9 - if so be Rom_8:16 - Spirit Rom_15:12 - in him 1Co_15:19 - hope 2Co_5:5 - the earnest Gal_2:5 - that Gal_3:2 - Received Gal_4:6 - God Eph_1:12 - who Php_1:27 - the faith Php_2:1 - if any fellowship Php_2:19 - But Col_1:5 - the word 2Ti_1:12 - believed Jas_1:21 - which 1Pe_1:8 - full 1Pe_1:21 - your

Anyway's-late here.

 

[Johann]

She is definitely not my cup of tea.

 

[Johann]

Of course.

Seals are broken in the Bible it happens all the time.

In fact, due to my own personal pride I have personally experienced it.

Have to disagree with you on this.

 

[Diserner]

The only penal theory is PSA the new kid on the block

Genetic fallacy.

Back to the Bible!

SUFFERED for SINS.

JUST for UNJUST.

MADE HIM SIN.

BORE OUR SINS.

LAW BRINGS WRATH.



"I don't care!!!! I wanna repeat non-Biblical stuff people told me about Augustine and child abuse!!!!"

How convincing.

 

[Wilber]

You're not making rational sense anymore, you're posting nonsense.

I've prayed you see the true Gospel and repent of your man-made ideas about God.

God bless you and best wishes for your spiritual salvation.

He's using a BS generator. He may have a seal leaking. one or the other. Oh wait we're not supposed to talk about other posters. That thing about calling then a heritage And questioning their salvation.

 

[Diserner]

Have to disagree with you on this.

It's not ME you are disagree with.

It's the word "if" in the Bible.

 

[Diserner]

He's using a BS generator. He may have a seal leaking. one or the other. Oh wait we're not supposed to talk about other posters. That thing about calling then a heritage And questioning their salvation.

Compelling stuff.