. The Christian view that the Mosaic Covenant and Law have been replaced by another covenant.

[praise_yeshua]

That we need to repent.

Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

So you believe repentance actually removes the fact you dishonored God? God may well forgive but don't pretend that others don't see your hypocrisy. Which is why the Gospel is not a message of continuing adherence to law you continually break. It is a message of enduring forgiveness. Sinful guilty people sharing the lovingkindness of God.

Maybe you don't realize this. I really hope you will, you can't keep "fooling" others. They eventually will see just how inadequate you are at keep the law. It almost ALWAYS happens. Which one of the reasons Gentiles scoffed at such nonsense from the "Jews". Which is what Paul recognizes above.

You can't sell the Gospel through YOUR righteousness. People scoff at such nonsense. Our job is make men guilty before God.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

For example, in Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came not to abolish the Torah and the Prophets, but to fulfill them. "Torah" generally refers to the Books of Moses or to the instructions that they contain..

This is a different conversation but I am going to answer you. The word "Torah" isn't there. Jesus made no such distinction. This is utter nonsense.

In fact, Jesus said....

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Which a quote from the Psalms.

The fact that I've broken the Torah many times does not mean that I haven't also obeyed it or that I haven't repented. If someone did something to honor their parents and then spent the rest of their life living in unrepentant sin, then that wouldn't change that they had done something in obedience to the Torah, so their disobedience to it does not mean that they haven't also obeyed it.

No it means you've dishonored God and given others reasons to ignore you.

 

[Soyeong]

Like I said, you are admitting that you can't follow the example of Christ and yet you are claiming to follow the example of Christ. YOU are not dealing this. You are "deflecting".

Do you only listen to Peter?

I have not admitted that I can't follow the example of Christ. I do not need to defend words that you have falsely put in my mouth. Nothing in 1 Peter suggests anything like that we can't follow Christs example and there would be no point in instructing us to do that if we couldn't do that. I do not only listen to Peter.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have not admitted that I can't follow the example of Christ. I do not need to defend words that you have falsely put in my mouth. Nothing in 1 Peter suggests anything like that we can't follow Christs example and there would be no point in instructing us to do that if we couldn't do that. I do not only listen to Peter.

You used an example from Peter while ignoring other Scriptures. You insist that Peter limits how you should walk after the example Christ. Fact is, you don't understand what he wrote. Also, what he wrote must be tempered against what we know from the other Scriptures. Peter doesn't establish your position. Use other Scriptures and try again.

 

[Soyeong]

Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

So you believe repentance actually removes the fact you dishonored God? God may well forgive but don't pretend that others don't see your hypocrisy. Which is why the Gospel is not a message of continuing adherence to law you continually break. It is a message of enduring forgiveness. Sinful guilty people sharing the lovingkindness of God.

Maybe you don't realize this. I really hope you will, you can't keep "fooling" others. They eventually will see just how inadequate you are at keep the law. It almost ALWAYS happens. Which one of the reasons Gentiles scoffed at such nonsense from the "Jews". Which is what Paul recognizes above.

You can't sell the Gospel through YOUR righteousness. People scoff at such nonsense. Our job is make men guilty before God.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

In 1 John 1:8, if we say that we are without sin, then we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us, so I do not claim to be without sin, but rather I do claim to practice repentance if I sin. Moreover, 1 John 1:9 says that if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The Bible instructs us to spread a Gospel calling for people to repent from their sins, but we do not need to be singles in order to spread the Gospel without hypocrisy. Hypocrisy has a level of insincerity to it, where we are holding others to a different level than we hold for ourselves, such as demanding that others repent from our sins or acting like we are without sin while continuing to live in unrepentant sin. I have said not boasted in the law and I am not living in unrepentant sin. What matters is not whether I am doing an adequate enough job of obeying God's law, but whether I am acting in faith. I've said nothing about selling the Gospel through my righteousness. The whole point in causing someone to realize that they are guilty before God is to lead the to repent and return to obedience through faith. Again, can you please remove the chip from your shoulder?

This is a different conversation but I am going to answer you. The word "Torah" isn't there. Jesus made no such distinction. This is utter nonsense.

In fact, Jesus said....

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Which a quote from the Psalms.

The Hebrew word "Torah" is translated into Greek as "nomos". Moreover, the NT contains Hebraisms that are Hebrew throughout structures that are translated into Greek, such as the phrase "Law and the Prophets". What else do you think that Jesus could have been referring to by that phrase and how else do you think his Jewish audience would have understood him?

No it means you've dishonored God and given others reasons to ignore you.

Indeed, someone who did something to honor their parents and then lived in unrepentant sin would be dishonoring God and give people reason to ignore them, though it wouldn't change the fact that they have still obeyed God.

 

[Soyeong]

You used an example from Peter while ignoring other Scriptures. You insist that Peter limits how you should walk after the example Christ. Fact is, you don't understand what he wrote. Also, what he wrote must be tempered against what we know from the other Scriptures. Peter doesn't establish your position. Use other Scriptures and try again.

I believe that the whole Bible is true and relevant to how we should live our lives, so I do not ignore other Scriptures or think that other Scriptures contradict 1 Peter. 1 Peter 2:21-22 directly states that we should follow Christ's example of refraining from sin, so that establishes my position that we should follow his example of refraining from sin.

 

[praise_yeshua]

In 1 John 1:8, if we say that we are without sin, then we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us, so I do not claim to be without sin, but rather I do claim to practice repentance if I sin. Moreover, 1 John 1:9 says that if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The Bible instructs us to spread a Gospel calling for people to repent from their sins, but we do not need to be singles in order to spread the Gospel without hypocrisy. Hypocrisy has a level of insincerity to it, where we are holding others to a different level than we hold for ourselves, such as demanding that others repent from our sins or acting like we are without sin while continuing to live in unrepentant sin. I have said not boasted in the law and I am not living in unrepentant sin. What matters is not whether I am doing an adequate enough job of obeying God's law, but whether I am acting in faith. I've said nothing about selling the Gospel through my righteousness. The whole point in causing someone to realize that they are guilty before God is to lead the to repent and return to obedience through faith. Again, can you please remove the chip from your shoulder?


The Hebrew word "Torah" is translated into Greek as "nomos". Moreover, the NT contains Hebraisms that are Hebrew throughout structures that are translated into Greek, such as the phrase "Law and the Prophets". What else do you think that Jesus could have been referring to by that phrase and how else do you think his Jewish audience would have understood him?



Indeed, someone who did something to honor their parents and then lived in unrepentant sin would be dishonoring God and give people reason to ignore them, though it wouldn't change the fact that they have still obeyed God.

I will respond to the the remainder later. However, it is highly unethical for you to repeatedly claim that I have a chip on my shoulder. I don't care what your assessment of me is. I don't answer to you. All I'm doing is dealing with your false claims. Obviously, you do not like this. No one does. I treat everyone the same. Everyone.

Also, your message is that Christ died to call people to faith again. That is a false Gospel. Christ died FOR sin.

 

[civic]

I will respond to the the remainder later. However, it is highly unethical for you to repeatedly claim that I have a chip on my shoulder. I don't care what your assessment of me is. I don't answer to you. All I'm doing is dealing with your false claims. Obviously, you do not like this. No one does. I treat everyone the same. Everyone.

Also, your message is that Christ died to call people to faith again. That is a false Gospel. Christ died FOR sin.

Besides dying for sin which is primary would you also agree it was to bring us back into a right relationship with our Creator ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Besides dying for sin which is primary would you also agree it was to bring us back into a right relationship with our Creator ?

"Back" is a problem word for me. I can accept it but it is not an completely accurate description of what happened.

Adam was never the intended target. Adam was never what we have become in Jesus Christ. Even Adam needed to be "born again" from the very beginning. God's plan for humanity was "US" in Jesus Christ. Not what Adam was created. Adam was peccable. There will come a day for us brother were we will experience the full "impeccable" nature our Lord had won for us.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I know most everyone that I interact at one time or another gets frustrated how "tightly" I argue for the facts of the Christian faith. I hope you all realize that I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm trying to be extremely exacting in my doctrine. It is so very essential that we present Christ for exact, WHO He is. I believe it will make a difference if we do.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Besides dying for sin which is primary would you also agree it was to bring us back into a right relationship with our Creator ?

To add. Faith in Christ is the target. Not faith in the law.

 

[civic]

To add. Faith in Christ is the target. Not faith in the law.

ditto !

 

[Soyeong]

To add. Faith in Christ is the target. Not faith in the law.

God's law is his word and Christ is God's word made flesh, so it is contradictory to have faith in God's word made flesh while refusing to have faith in God's word. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to have faith in God is by having faith in what He has instructed while it is contradictory to have faith in God while refusing to have faith in what He has instructed.

 

[praise_yeshua]

God's law is his word and Christ is God's word made flesh,

There we go. More false claims revealing just how wrong your position is. The law came by Moses. Moses was the mediator.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

so it is contradictory to have faith in God's word made flesh while refusing to have faith in God's word. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to have faith in God is by having faith in what He has instructed while it is contradictory to have faith in God while refusing to have faith in what He has instructed.

This a a legalistic false Gospel that does NOT give Jesus Christ the glory for what HE alone has accomplished.

For someone who has so blatantly broken the law of God, you sure do treasure it. Who exactly is your treasure? I know who mine is....

Oh wretched man that I am. Who shall deliver me.... It certain isn't the law. It required my condemnation.

 

[Soyeong]

There we go. More false claims revealing just how wrong your position is. The law came by Moses. Moses was the mediator.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him without departing from it, so the Mosaic Law is God's word, and in John 1:14, Jesus is God's word made flesh, so I did not make any false claims.

In Psalms 119:29, he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and in Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth, so grace and truth came through Moses and also came through Jesus because he spent his ministry teaching us to obey it by word and by example.

This a a legalistic false Gospel that does NOT give Jesus Christ the glory for what HE alone has accomplished.

I said nothing about a legalistic of false Gospel or about not giving Jesus the glory for what he alone has accomplished, so you're just making things up again.

For someone who has so blatantly broken the law of God, you sure do treasure it. Who exactly is your treasure? I know who mine is....

Oh wretched man that I am. Who shall deliver me.... It certain isn't the law. It required my condemnation.

It is contradictory to treasure God's word made flesh, but to not treasure God's word.