So in your religion, you were born a spirit first, and are now awaiting the Glorious return of the Lord's Christ to change you into flesh and blood?
I am talking about the 'beginning' before God created heaven, earth, and man. We began in the Mind of God. God is Spirit. And so are we. All God is doing with creation, and the creation of man is a plan of restoration. We were with God in spirit except for the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world there was something missing from our 'make up' that could not be done in eternity. It had to be done in time to give us bodies that are incorrupt and without sin. This is finally accomplished when Jesus returns for He brings with Him the completion of our salvation in the twinkling of an eye. And THEN we are ready for eternity with God.
The reason why I don't believe your preaching, is because of what the Holy Scriptures actually teach.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first "which is spiritual", but that which is natural; "and afterward" that "which is spiritual".
It is not me who is exposing your man-made religious philosophies J5, it is Ezekiel and Paul and the enter Bible. It is my sincere hope that you might humble yourself just a little, not to me, but to the Inspired Words of the God you profess to know, that you have discarded as unworthy of your respect.
Obviously, you've not thought through the implications of man's creation and births. Man doesn't begin in the Garden.
My post centers on the "reason why" God had His Parables, shadows, and prophesies written, and why Paul said the Exodus and the things that happened to the folks involved, were written for examples and that, for my admonition. I posted his words that can be found in your own Bible, but again, you completely ignore any of God's Word that doesn't align with your adopted religion, just as you refuse to acknowledge, and continue to refuse to acknowledge still, God's Words through Ezekiel that I posted. You are doing these things and perhaps you should consider what spirit is directing you to reject God's very Own Words.
When I recognize error, I ignore it and post the truth of the matter. Sorry, I've trained myself to not entertain lies.
You are free to preach to the whole world that there is no Spiritual Symbolism in the OT, including the Exodus story if you want. That there was no "Spiritual Meat", no "Spiritual Drink", or that the Rock that followed them, "Wasn't a Spiritual Rock". The reason I believe there was, is because of what is written in the Holy Bible.
I never said there was no spiritual symbolism in the Old Testament. You were talking about man, not the Old Testament. As Saul said, "the Law is spiritual." And the Law is a type and shadow of the Holy
Spirit. It is HE,
the Law, that God promised to put in their (Israel's) "inward parts" and write it in their hearts.
LOL, You just got through rebuking me, and preaching to me and the world that the "Spiritual" came first,
not the Flesh. And now you are preaching the opposite of your own preaching just a few sentences ago.
What if it is you who has
"became vain in your imaginations, and your foolish heart is darkened. Professing yourself to be wise, you became a fool".
Why not try "Glorifying God "AS GOD", and be Thankful for His Holy Scriptures, instead of discarding His Words that you can't use to exalt yourself, as did the Pharisees, like the dirt off the bottom of your shoes.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I glorify God according to the Scripture and not for glorying's sake. Many Christians shoot off their mouths and think they are glorifying God with their much speaking, but true glorification of God is done according to the doctrine of Christ. My Christianity is not a shoot-from-the-hip Christianity. What I do and say as a Christian is done according to Scripture.
LOL, but you said the spiritual came first. So which is it? Were the Kings of Israel flesh and blood, or spiritual?
Because the flesh comes first, then the spiritual, yes? Unless you continue in the "course of this world" and refuse to leave "spiritual Egypt", then your eyes are never opened, like the Jews who fell in the wilderness. (Seeing ye shall not see, hearing ye shall not hear.)
All men are born body and soul - no human spirit. Adam and the woman were created body, soul, and human spirit. But their human spirit died when they disobeyed God and ate from the tree. Thus, they became body and soul and as physical, material creatures could not pass along in their genes a human spirit because Christ rules the spirit realm and they were physical beings.
No, You said Israel was not in sin in Egypt. God said they were. I posted God's own Words telling you this, and you rejected Him as if HE isn't worthy of your honor or respect, or even your acknowledgment.
I posted Paul words where HE said Israel, having left Egypt, Ate Spiritual Meat, and drank Spiritual Drink from a Spiritual Rock, whose Name was Christ. And you discarded these Words as well, as not even worthy of your acknowledgment, much less your respect.
I used to do that. Break up God's word into milk and meat when all the time the Word of God is neither milk nor meat but nourishment. Look it up.
Believing is not the same as understanding. I can walk into a room believing that the wooden chair at the center of the room can hold me up and I can believe until I'm blue in the face. But until I walk over to it and lay hands on it, push it this way and that way and then determine through knowledge whether it can hold me up, I don't sit on it.
And you only believe the Words that you can twist to justify your adopted religious philosophy.
To preach there is no Spiritual Symbolism in the Exodus Story is absurd, given what the Holy Scriptures actually say when all of them are considered.
But you are free to justify and promote whatever religion you want.
Let's test that right now if you actually accept the Scripture as written:
The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew, and Abram's Hebrew seed - no non-Hebrew Gentiles included.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel - no non-Hebrew Gentiles included.
The New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah - no non-Hebrew Gentiles included. This is factual.
One more thing....under the Law the high priest prayed and offered sacrifices for the children of Israel yearly to atone for their sins until they can come back the next year and do it again, perpetually. Jesus Christ as High Priest prayed and offered Himself for the sins of the children of Israel - no non-Hebrews are included. If you claim Jesus died for non-Hebrew Gentiles, then you make Jesus change the Law and by doing this He has sinned against God. and can no longer be an unblemished lamb of God to take away the sin of the children of Israel as instructed and commanded under the Law. This led Saul to declare:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
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To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:4–5.
Now, if non-Hebrew Gentiles were included in this redemption Saul would say so, but he doesn't and that's because non-Hebrew Gentiles are not covered under the Law, the high priest did not offer sacrifices for the sins of Gentiles, and under the Law neither did Jesus die for Gentiles because Gentiles are not in any of the above three covenants and atonement is not offered to them.
So, no, you don't take Scripture as written because there is a log in your eye called false Constantinian Gentile theology. I know because I used to believe Gentiles were able to become saved until I found out that in order to be saved one must be in covenant with God and Gentiles are not in covenant with God. When I read your comments, I see textbook answers because I used to quote those textbook answers from men I thought were mental giants in Christianity, but they are not. When I hold up their statements against the Word of God, they fall short. You probably think John MacArthur is a great teacher and theologian. What if I were to tell you that He denies the life of Christ in His people and in denying Christ makes himself an antichrist. What if I were to tell you Judas is with Jesus right now and will be among the cloud of witnesses that return with the King? Or that the teaching in and among Christians they have to go out and tell everyone about Jesus is false doctrine and harms the Church and does not help it.
Here is that passage again. Tell me, are non-Hebrew Gentiles included in this redemption?
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
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To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:4–5.
Yea or nay?
