The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[amazing grace]

AG, John 1:1 says that the Word is God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

I know but 'God' is used in the nominative case meaning that it is used in an adjectival, descriptive sense.

I've always called myself a Trinitarian, but I DO NOT believe the Trinity is three separate persons. That may shock some that I am a Trinitarian. But it has to do with Adam being made in the image of God - Elohim - which is a plural word. I also do not agree with all these people who try to explain the Trinity as like an egg, or the different elements of water - steam, ice, and liquid. I just turn to the Bible and let it explain the triunity of God and man. 1 Thess. 5:23 - we are one person, but are spirit, soul and body. And the Bible also shows us which part of us is the spirit, so thereby showing us what is left - the soul, and of course the body.

elohim can be either plural or singular.
We are one person. The whole complete person being made up of body, soul and spirit.
If we were made up of God's Spirit then we would not have to be born again.

Romans 7:25 So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Galatians 5:17 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

The publisher of the Bible made a stupid error when you compare texts. It is NOT Spirit, but spirit. It is our spirit - our mind- which knows the law, but until we are born again of the Spirit, the mind works against the flesh. Those who read on knows that those who are born again are NOT IN THE FLESH, but in the Spirit, so the spirit in Galatians 5:17 is just us, not the Holy Spirit. Also, that also means that Romans 7:14-25 is not talking about those who are NOT in the flesh, so that leaves those like the Old Testament Jews who knows the law:

Romans 7:1. Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.

The difference of the old man and the new man, the new creation in Christ. ^^^^^
Those that are born again are still in the 'flesh' which is contrary to the 'spirit' which is why scripture tells us to renew our minds.

It is heartbreaking that there are church goers who struggle with the flesh and do not know that Jesus can take away that old man, the sin nature, so that you then have no desire to sin, so cannot. 1 John 3:9. That is why on the forums there are so many that are willing to give up a place in heaven to demand that Romans 7:14-25 is speaking about Christians!

I wonder why scripture tells us to renew our minds if Jesus takes it all away for us? I wonder why scripture tells us to put on the whole armour of God to stand against the schemes of the devil.

That was me for the first 30 years of going to church as I was born to a Christian family. But on 2/9/77, the years of stuggling with the flesh was suddenly gone. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I also have been baptized in the holy spirit - I have the power within me but alas like Paul in Romans because I do believe Romans is written to believers - I do believe that it is a spiritual battle.

but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

What any of this has to do with this: Believing and acknowledging that Jesus is the Son is the one who has the Father, aka God also - you acknowledge Jesus as God which is denial of the Son....... I don't know.

 

[jeremiah1five]

182 pages and over a year later, this thread stands unrefuted because Scripture cannot be added to nor changed no matter how cleverly one argues.

The fact still remains that there are no instructions, commandments, or teachings to pray to Jesus in the entire Bible.

This means Jesus isn't God. Scripture only teaches to pray to God, the Father.

Matthew 6​

6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.​

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9So then, this is how you should pray:​

‘Our Father in heaven,​

hallowed be Your name.​

Unable to see the forest for the trees?

A.C.T.S.

Adoration, Confession, Thanksgiving, and Supplication:

A — Adoration​

Many people fell at His feet in total worship, acknowledging His divine authority.

The Wise Men: "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him..." (Matthew 2:11).

The Disciples: After Jesus walked on the water and calmed the storm, those in the ship "came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God" (Matthew 14:33).

Thomas: Upon seeing the risen Christ, he offered the ultimate cry of adoration: "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." (John 20:28).

C — Confession​

When people came into the presence of Jesus’ holiness, they often felt a deep need to confess their unworthiness or their specific sins.

Peter: After the miraculous catch of fish, Peter realized who Jesus was and confessed his state: "He fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord." (Luke 5:8).

The Thief on the Cross: He confessed his guilt and Jesus' righteousness: "And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss." (Luke 23:41).

Zacchaeus: He didn't just confess with words, but with a change of heart, admitting his legal and moral debts: "Behold, Lord... if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold." (Luke 19:8).

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T — Thanksgiving​

People often returned to Jesus specifically to give thanks for the miracles He performed.

The One Leper: Out of ten lepers healed, only one returned: "And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan." (Luke 17:15–16).

The Blind Man: After receiving his sight, he followed Jesus "glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto God." (Luke 18:43).

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S — Supplication​

The Gospels are filled with men making "requests" (petitions) and "intercessions" (praying for others) to Jesus.

Petition (Personal): The leper made a direct request: "Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean." (Matthew 8:2).

Intercession (For Others): The Centurion came to Jesus not for himself, but for his servant: "Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented... speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed." (Matthew 8:6, 8).

Intercession (For a Child): Jairus fell at His feet and "besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her..." (Mark 5:23).

Jesus is very much God.

 

[Runningman]

Unable to see the forest for the trees?

A.C.T.S.

Adoration, Confession, Thanksgiving, and Supplication:

A — Adoration​

Many people fell at His feet in total worship, acknowledging His divine authority.

The Wise Men: "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him..." (Matthew 2:11).

The Disciples: After Jesus walked on the water and calmed the storm, those in the ship "came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God" (Matthew 14:33).

Thomas: Upon seeing the risen Christ, he offered the ultimate cry of adoration: "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." (John 20:28).

No mention of Jesus being God here. Other people are bowed to in the Bible who are neither Jesus or God.

Abraham gives obeisance to the Hitites: Genesis 23:7
Jacob gives obeisance to Esau (Genesis 33:3)

Other humans called God or god in the Bible:

God judges among the gods: Psalm 82:1
You are gods: Psalm 82:6
Moses is God: Exodus 7:1
Angels are gods: Psalm 8:5

C — Confession​

When people came into the presence of Jesus’ holiness, they often felt a deep need to confess their unworthiness or their specific sins.

Peter: After the miraculous catch of fish, Peter realized who Jesus was and confessed his state: "He fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord." (Luke 5:8).

The Thief on the Cross: He confessed his guilt and Jesus' righteousness: "And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss." (Luke 23:41).

Zacchaeus: He didn't just confess with words, but with a change of heart, admitting his legal and moral debts: "Behold, Lord... if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold." (Luke 19:8).

Confession is given to others who are neither God or Jesus:

Confess your sins to one another: James 5:16
Confessing sins during water baptism: Matthew 3:5-6

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T — Thanksgiving​

People often returned to Jesus specifically to give thanks for the miracles He performed.

The One Leper: Out of ten lepers healed, only one returned: "And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan." (Luke 17:15–16).

The Blind Man: After receiving his sight, he followed Jesus "glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto God." (Luke 18:43).

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Thanksgiving directed toward others who are not God or Jesus:

Paul gives thanks to Prisca and Aquila: Romans 16:3,4

S — Supplication​

The Gospels are filled with men making "requests" (petitions) and "intercessions" (praying for others) to Jesus.

Petition (Personal): The leper made a direct request: "Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean." (Matthew 8:2).

Intercession (For Others): The Centurion came to Jesus not for himself, but for his servant: "Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented... speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed." (Matthew 8:6, 8).

Intercession (For a Child): Jairus fell at His feet and "besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her..." (Mark 5:23).

Supplication made to others/

Simon asked Peter to do something for him: Acts 8:24
Appeal to human authorities for guidance and judgement: Acts 15:2

Jesus is very much God.

Not according to Scripture. You have provided nothing convincing.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No mention of Jesus being God here. Other people are bowed to in the Bible who are neither Jesus or God.

Abraham gives obeisance to the Hitites: Genesis 23:7
Jacob gives obeisance to Esau (Genesis 33:3)

Other humans called God or god in the Bible:

God judges among the gods: Psalm 82:1
You are gods: Psalm 82:6
Moses is God: Exodus 7:1
Angels are gods: Psalm 8:5

Confession is given to others who are neither God or Jesus:

Confess your sins to one another: James 5:16
Confessing sins during water baptism: Matthew 3:5-6

Thanksgiving directed toward others who are not God or Jesus:

Paul gives thanks to Prisca and Aquila: Romans 16:3,4



Supplication made to others/

Simon asked Peter to do something for him: Acts 8:24
Appeal to human authorities for guidance and judgement: Acts 15:2

Not according to Scripture. You have provided nothing convincing.

Actually, I have. You are what in our faith we call an unbeliever of God's Word.

 

[Runningman]

Actually, I have. You are what in our faith we call an unbeliever of God's Word.

I used your points for why you say Jesus is God and found where others have the same things as Jesus, showing you that the points you have provided are not consistent with the conclusion. If deity is true for Jesus, it must be true for others. The converse must be true, then. If others are not God, then neither is Jesus.

Do you know what the actual characteristics of God are? Omniscience, omnipotence, immortality, invisibility, eternality, etc. These are qualities Jesus doesn't have in the Bible.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I used your points for why you say Jesus is God and found where others have the same things as Jesus, showing you that the points you have provided are not consistent with the conclusion. If deity is true for Jesus, it must be true for others. The converse must be true, then. If others are not God, then neither is Jesus.

Do you know what the actual characteristics of God are? Omniscience, omnipotence, immortality, invisibility, eternality, etc. These are qualities Jesus doesn't have in the Bible.

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in ufashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of ethings in heaven, and ethings in earth, and fthings under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:5–11.