The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[Runningman]

their entire foundation in the bible is John 17:3- without that one verse ripped from its context the entire house crumbles - the fact is in the context Jesus makes Himself equal with the Father as we read in John 17:5 and 17:3- eternal life Jesus claimed equality with the Father and in Creation sharing Their mutual glory together with one another before creation.

they have nothing to support their beliefs when we actually read and exegete the context.

Why do you not believe?

Deuteronomy 32:6
"Is this the way you repay the Lord, you foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?"

Psalm 68:5
"A father to the fatherless, a defender of widows, is God in his holy dwelling."

Psalm 89:26
"He will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.’"

Isaiah 63:16
"But you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us or Israel acknowledge us; you, Lord, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name."

Isaiah 64:8
"Yet you, Lord, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand."

Malachi 2:10
"Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?"

Matthew 5:16
"In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven."

Matthew 6:9
"This, then, is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name...’" (The Lord's Prayer.)

Matthew 7:11
"If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!"

John 1:14
"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 20:17
"Jesus said, ‘Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”’"

Romans 1:7
"To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ."

1 Corinthians 8:6
"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

2 Corinthians 1:3
"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort..."

Galatians 4:6
"Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, ‘Abba, Father.’"

Ephesians 4:6
"One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

1 Peter 1:3
"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."

1 John 3:1
"See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are!"

 

[Runningman]

Runningman,
Write an essay explaining each verse Trinitarians use to point to aspects of the Trinity and then explain why they fail to do that. If you de-evangelism is that important, go ahead and write that. Convince people with the verses that we hold to.

You won't be assigning me anything. Why don't you carry your own burden and do it?

 

[ProDeo]

We can call you the one-verse unitarian

I am a one-verse Trinitarian -

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.

 

[mikesw]

You won't be assigning me anything. Why don't you carry your own burden and do it?

Okay. you can remain as unconvincing as you have already been. Not my fault.

 

[mikesw]

I am a one-verse Trinitarian -

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.

Wait! That sounds like the oneness mentioned in the Shema.

 

[Johann]

Runningman,
Write an essay explaining each verse Trinitarians use to point to aspects of the Trinity and then explain why those verses fail to do that. If you de-evangelism is that important, go ahead and write that. Convince people with the verses that we hold to.

I can give him plenty references.

J.

 

[Johann]

Why do you not believe?

Deuteronomy 32:6
"Is this the way you repay the Lord, you foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?"

Psalm 68:5
"A father to the fatherless, a defender of widows, is God in his holy dwelling."

Psalm 89:26
"He will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.’"

Isaiah 63:16
"But you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us or Israel acknowledge us; you, Lord, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name."

Isaiah 64:8
"Yet you, Lord, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand."

Malachi 2:10
"Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?"

Matthew 5:16
"In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven."

Matthew 6:9
"This, then, is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name...’" (The Lord's Prayer.)

Matthew 7:11
"If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!"

John 1:14
"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 20:17
"Jesus said, ‘Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”’"

Romans 1:7
"To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ."

1 Corinthians 8:6
"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

2 Corinthians 1:3
"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort..."

Galatians 4:6
"Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, ‘Abba, Father.’"

Ephesians 4:6
"One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

1 Peter 1:3
"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."

1 John 3:1
"See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are!"

You deny the Deity of Messiah?

J.

 

[Runningman]

I am a one-verse Trinitarian -

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.

hi again Prodeo. Do you read John 17 where others are one with God in the exact same way Jesus is? It's also repeated by Paul elsewhere. I am sure you already know that.

 

[Runningman]

Okay. you can remain as unconvincing as you have already been. Not my fault.

Good thing I still hold the high ground. You have yet to show anything regarding praying to Jesus or him in the Trinity.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I am a one-verse Trinitarian -

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.

Man they gonna eat your lunch with that .
And believe you ME I ALREADY KNOW GOD IS HIS WORD , HIS SPIRIT
that JESUS even says I AM alpha and omega , first and the last .
But them diety deniers can easily come back and use that line to actually try and deny THE DIETY OF CHRIST .
Beware the shema at all costs .
You have enough ammo to prove them dead wrong . But that one verse AINT GONNA DO IT .
I dont want to give aide to the lost souls by proving to you how they could use another verse against you .
But beleive you me , BY THE SPIRIT we are all ONE . they can use that to try and disprove the deity of Christ .
NOW I WONT DO THAT cause I KNOW better . But you cannot prove the Godhead with that one verse .
YOU can do it with many other verses . They will eat ya lunch my friend . believe you me .

 

[Runningman]

You deny the Deity of Messiah?

J.

Please study this weekend and find where the Bible says messiah is deity.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

hi again Prodeo. Do you read John 17 where others are one with God in the exact same way Jesus is? It's also repeated by Paul elsewhere. I am sure you already know that.

HEY PRO DEO . HELLO i warned you this is what they would do . THEY gonna eat ya lunch buddy .
I KNEW what they would do even before perhaps even they knew what they would do .
I HAVE SEEN MEN twist the scrips for years and for years . HEY RUNNING MAN , you dont fool me friend .
I am only sorry that pro deo dont know his bible enough to shut you down .
HOWEVER , it dont seem to matter to you . I MEAN there are some here that do know the scrips
and do speak the truth , AND STILL you wont heed them .
SO if you wanna DENY JESUS IS THE ALPHA and omega , the first and the last , BUDDY that is ON YOU
and you gonna weep for doing so . cause HE SAID HE WAS .

 

[Runningman]

Man they gonna eat your lunch with that .
And believe you ME I ALREADY KNOW GOD IS HIS WORD , HIS SPIRIT
that JESUS even says I AM alpha and omega , first and the last .
But them diety deniers can easily come back and use that line to actually try and deny THE DIETY OF CHRIST .
Beware the shema at all costs .
You have enough ammo to prove them dead wrong . But that one verse AINT GONNA DO IT .
I dont want to give aide to the lost souls by proving to you how they could use another verse against you .
But beleive you me , BY THE SPIRIT we are all ONE . they can use that to try and disprove the deity of Christ .
NOW I WONT DO THAT cause I KNOW better . But you cannot prove the Godhead with that one verse .
YOU can do it with many other verses . They will eat ya lunch my friend . believe you me .

Confidence and truth aren't the same things. Hindus are doing it, too, and feel good about it. Truth is not for everyone, but I am sure you love God.

 

[Johann]

I am a one-verse Trinitarian -

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.

Echad-correct @ProDeo.

J.

 

[Runningman]

HEY PRO DEO . HELLO i warned you this is what they would do . THEY gonna eat ya lunch buddy .
I KNEW what they would do even before perhaps even they knew what they would do .
I HAVE SEEN MEN twist the scrips for years and for years . HEY RUNNING MAN , you dont fool me friend .
I am only sorry that pro deo dont know his bible enough to shut you down .
HOWEVER , it dont seem to matter to you . I MEAN there are some here that do know the scrips
and do speak the truth , AND STILL you wont heed them .
SO if you wanna DENY JESUS IS THE ALPHA and omega , the first and the last , BUDDY that is ON YOU
and you gonna weep for doing so . cause HE SAID HE WAS .

Thanks buddy.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

You deny the Deity of Messiah?

J.

By grace i seen it coming the moment PRO deo lipped his one verse .
And running man went in for the kill . of course running man is twisting things .
For years and for years i have watched one man debate another man
and yet neither man only knows enough truth TO be a danger to themselves and to others .
NEITHER SIDE rightly divding .
ITs like honestly watching a vaulting contest
you have the RCC verses the protestant
AND both have a massive log in the eye . and at best they try and vault the other one off the horse
with the PLANK in their own eyes . ITS BIBLE TIME In the house , MEN HAVE FAILED US .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Thanks buddy.

Your welcome i am only trying to help you see the error of your ways . Happy to see you might be considering
this . Or perhaps it was but sarchasm . one can hope right .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Confidence and truth aren't the same things. Hindus are doing it, too, and feel good about it. Truth is not for everyone, but I am sure you love God.

you just fouled up friend . Look again at what you wrote . Your right about the hindus
but dead wrong about something .
YOU just wrote TRUTH is not for everyone , meaning you mean me as well , BUT THEN said YOU ARE SURE I LOVE GOD .
BUDDY if a man loveth not the truth , HE DONT LOVE GOD .
I can see already you headed down the false love road . No suprise seeing you already
bought the lie about CHRIST and his so called non diety . BUT dont think for a second
i am giving even those who preach the right version of the GOD HEAD a pass .
HEcK MOST of them are joining you as well on that same lovey do road .
I BEEN hollering for quite some time , THIS FALSE LOVE STuff IS TAKING BOTH SIDES DOWN .
You all will soon be as one under a false love . WELL let me rephrase that .
IF YOU DONT REPENT , IF THEY DONT REPENT , You all gonna meet as one , and friend i promise
no matter how loving that god sounded , IT WONT BE GOD .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Confidence and truth aren't the same things. Hindus are doing it, too, and feel good about it. Truth is not for everyone, but I am sure you love God.

No sir . No sir .
No sir
and what i next type to you , BELIEVE ME i type to all those in the camp of the trinity too .
HERE IT IS .
Now before i type it know this , this has made me the enemy of the trinity camp as well as the non trinity camp .
YALLS already under the influence of this .
BOTH SIDES will soon believe its time for men like me to get GONE from this earth .
YALLS falling in love with a false love .
SO allow me these parting words . INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST
and if , IF , IF a man loveth not the TRUTH , HE DONT LOVE GOD . THERE I said it for everyone here to see it .

 

[synergy]

Good thing I still hold the high ground.

You are definitely high on something and it's not because of the ground.

You have yet to show anything regarding praying to Jesus or him in the Trinity.

The entire Heaven is directing worship and prayer to the Father's Throne wherein Jesus sits with the Father (Rev 3:21). The unitarians are the ones with folded hands in a corner of Heaven refusing to offer worship and prayer to Jesus.