Wilber
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That goes with this one:
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Acts 17:29
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Acts 17:29
Runningman
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I'm going to have to borrow this. Thanks for posting. I think this will help Oneness and Trinitarian folk realize that the Son of Man is the same, exact, identical person as the Son of God.
John 5 KJV
25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Runningman
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Nope. I am a Christian. I believe the gospel, but I am afraid you may not. Where does the gospel say you must believe Jesus is God to be saved? Good luck.
Runningman
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My general point is that you are doing with the Trinity doctrine the same thing others do with their doctrines. Yeah you can can cut and paste snippets here and there and make an argument, but you can't actually find where anyone came right out and said "Yep, God is three persons" or "God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" or anything along those lines. I think this is very bad theology because in employing this very same strategy one can also develop any other doctrine about anything.
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Runningman
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Yes I agree. So the Godhead doesn't include created things like gold, silver, stone, humans like Jesus, etc.
Still, your denials of the divinity of Christ in scripture fails miserably. We even have Jesus sharing the Trinity together, as seen in Matt 28:19. I know your eisegetical skills have been developed over many years, yet this verse shares the three together. It is the testimony of scripture which we follow, even if it is scattered testimony of verses like you use to try to deny the divinity of Christ. I think you are just getting mixed up due to possible subtleties of the Trinitarian doctrine such that you disregard the whole testimony of scripture.
Runningman
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Ok, but let's put it this way. If you are on the right track then why are there tens of thousands of Protestant denominations all just putting their own spin on things?
because people are not clones. God does not make everyone the same such that they have different needs and different languages, and different locations and various worship preferences. Then there are the heretical groups who pretend to be Christians. We cannot stop those all.
So are you holding to some religious group (with its own spin on these things) that claims its existence separately from the Roman Catholics and Protestants?
Runningman
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Oh ok, so that means I'm ok to be a Unitarian unless God runs it past you first or what's going on?
and Caths and Prots aren't much different.
Ah. So they remain more faithful to scripture than you do. Good to give that warning against your doctrine.
Runningman
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Oh ok, seems you meant to reply to someone else. I didn't say that.
You are still holding true to your name by continuing to run away from my question. Here is my question again:
Now to show that I do answer questions, unlike you, I'll answer your question:
This is way too easy. See John 8:24. Your dirt poor understanding of Greek and your multiple heretical theories will immediately flood and blind your mind. Go ahead and expose your ignorance for all to see.Where does the gospel say you must believe Jesus is God to be saved? Good luck.
(John 8:24) That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM (ἐγώ εἰμι), you will die in your sins.”
TibiasDad
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Who says we think differently? Of course they are speaking of the same person.
Doug
dwight92070
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So you've made up your own rule. If any teaching in the Bible does not take up a whole paragraph or chapter, then that teaching is invalid.
So what chapter or paragraph teaches us that Jesus was without sin? What chapter or paragraph tells us that Jesus was the Messiah? Not just a sentence, but a whole paragraph or chapter.
Peterlag
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From you I will take a sentence or even a half sentence that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
Peterlag
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Where in Colossians 2:9 does it say that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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And they stoned stephen , calling upon GOD
and saying LORD JESUS , receive my spirit .
rather interesting reminder .
and saying LORD JESUS , receive my spirit .
rather interesting reminder .
Matthias
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TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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And they stoned stephen , calling upon GODYou're kidding right? Real all of the post.
and saying LORD JESUS , receive my spirit .
rather interesting reminder .
My Lord and my GOD cried thomas to JESUS and JESUS never corrected thomas .
Rather interesting reminders indeed .
I am alpha and omega , the first and the last .
Yes rather interesting reminders indeed .
Matthias
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John thought it is interesting as he reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” John 1:1-14 These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh.
Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God.
