The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[civic]

God is a personal being, but we do not say that Jesus and God are the same individual. We say that Jesus and the Father are unique individual beings who are both God in quality of their existence. Just like you and I are unique individual beings who are “human” in quality of our existence.

Thus, “in the beginning was the Word, (that is in the context of eternity past before creation began) and the Word was with God, (indicating two distinct individuals in a communal relationship) and the Word was God. (In relation to his nature of being eternal and his quality of nature of existence. ie, What type of being he was in the beginning before creation began while co-existing with the Father.)

Doug

Amen

 

[Fred]

This is still there.

Jesus said don't ask him for anything later.

John 16 KJV
23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

I already addressed it.

 

[civic]

I already addressed it.

could you imagine how that would be blasphemy for any prophet or apostle to make that claim Jesus made. These guys don't even put their thinking caps on to try and understand Jesus claims that can only be true if He was God or otherwise He would be as CS Lewis said a liar or a lunitic.

 

[dwight92070]

All of you non-Trinitarians are just like the Jewish elders, the chief priest and scribes, when they had Jesus arrested, and they said to Him, "If You are the Christ, tell us." But He said to them, "If I tell you, you will not believe; ... " Luke 22:67
All of you are saying to Jesus, "If You are God, tell us." His answer to you would be the same - If I tell you, you will not believe.

"And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." John 8:23-24

I agree with Civic and Jesus Himself and the apostle John, that if anyone denies that Jesus is I AM, this is the antichrist.

"By this you know the Spirit of God; every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (implying that He was an eternal spirit before) is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus (that He has come in the flesh, having been an eternal spirit before) is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, ... " 1 John 4:2-3

"Therefore since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, (implying that He wasn't always flesh and blood)"
Hebrews 2:14

These verses are straightforward and easy to understand. They make it plain to see that He was and is God in the flesh, as do many other verses. So when anyone rejects this simple truth, it is not the Spirit of God that animates them - it is the spirit of antichrist.

 

[civic]

All of you non-Trinitarians are just like the Jewish elders, the chief priest and scribes, when they had Jesus arrested, and they said to Him, "If You are the Christ, tell us." But He said to them, "If I tell you, you will not believe; ... " Luke 22:67
All of you are saying to Jesus, "If You are God, tell us." His answer to you would be the same - If I tell you, you will not believe.

"And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." John 8:23-24

I agree with Civic and Jesus Himself and the apostle John, that if anyone denies that Jesus is I AM, this is the antichrist.

"By this you know the Spirit of God; every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (implying that He was an eternal spirit before) is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus (that He has come in the flesh, having been an eternal spirit before) is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, ... " 1 John 4:2-3

"Therefore since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, (implying that He wasn't always flesh and blood)"
Hebrews 2:14

These verses are straightforward and easy to understand. They make it plain to see that He was and is God in the flesh, as do many other verses. So when anyone rejects this simple truth, it is not the Spirit of God that animates them - it is the spirit of antichrist.

ditto

 

[Runningman]

Jesus and the Father are one.

John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”


John 1:1 explicitly notes that Jesus was both with God in the beginning and was God.

And the disciples are one with the Father too. And?

John 17
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[Runningman]

both you and muslims are incorrect- you believing the same thing should be your first clue from the unbelieving/ ungodly islamists.

A true believer has nothing in common with Isalm when it comes to biblical truth especially concerning God, the Father and the Son and salvation

This is like saying that because you have something in common with pagans for believing in a trinity god that you must be correct. You are using a logical fallacy to impose your beliefs on the Bible where none are previously stated.

Christianity came before Islam. It was already revealed by God, the Jews, the prophets, Jesus, and the apostles that God is the Father. I have no idea why you want to attack Christianity just because Muslims are correct on the point about a human not being God.

 

[synergy]

But you just used an unfounded derogatory statement about me being a "Trinitarian-denying Muslim." You seem to be a closet Muslim. No thanks I'll stick with Christainity.

What I did say is that "you are thinking exactly like a Trinitarian-denying Muslim" in that respect. Do you deny that? Yes or no?

 

[Runningman]

What I did say is that "you are thinking exactly like a Trinitarian-denying Muslim" in that respect. Do you deny that? Yes or no?

What I did say is that you act like a "Unitarian denying polytheistic pagan." Do you deny that?

 

[Wilber]

And the disciples are one with the Father too. And?

John 17
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

But they are not part of the Godhead.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

 

[Runningman]

But they are not part of the Godhead.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

Which verse says who is in the Godhead?

Most scholars agree nowadays that "God was manifest in the flesh" isn't in 1 Tim. 3:16. They can't find that phrase in the oldest of manuscripts.

 

[dwight92070]

Also most scholars agree that there actually is a Trinity. For centuries, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity has been a fundamental belief of most Christian denominations. See "Trinitarianism in the Early Church" an essay by Coleman Ford. It is clear that the Trinity belief has been around since the early church.
Deal with it.

 

[Wilber]

Which verse says who is in the Godhead?

Most scholars agree nowadays that "God was manifest in the flesh" isn't in 1 Tim. 3:16. They can't find that phrase in the oldest of manuscripts.

The term Godhead is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature.

I like this one.

For in Him the whole fullness of Deity (the Godhead) continues to dwell in bodily form [giving complete expression of the divine nature].
10 And you are in Him, made full and having come to fullness of life [in Christ you too are filled with the Godhead—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—and reach full spiritual stature]. And He is the Head of all rule and authority [of every angelic principality and power].
Colossians 2:9–10.

 

[synergy]

What I did say is that you act like a "Unitarian denying polytheistic pagan." Do you deny that?

I see that you continue to run away from my questions as fast as your legs can carry you. You definitely named yourself correctly when you named yourself the runningman.

As for your question, I am not a "polytheistic pagan" because Trinitarians are monotheistic. Only ignorant Unitarians, Muslims, and Judaizers heretics say that we are polytheists. In that sense you can call me a Unitarian denier.

 

[Peterlag]

I realized that there are probably some other doctrines that are not mentioned in the Bible that they probably reject as heresy, but adopt a different standard for the trinity because their churches teach it. Psychology is a funny and fascinating thing. It's possible for the human mind to be indoctrinated and that person will swear they see something that no one else can see. For example, the trinity isn't mentioned in the Bible but they still see it there.

I may shorten my statement of...There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

To... There's no paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[Matthias]

I may shorten my statement of...There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

To... There's no paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

Colossians 2:9 is one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fulness”) of God (translated “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].”

Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9).

 

[Runningman]

I see that you continue to run away from my questions as fast as your legs can carry you. You definitely named yourself correctly when you named yourself the runningman.

As for your question, I am not a "polytheistic pagan" because Trinitarians are monotheistic. Only ignorant Unitarians, Muslims, and Judaizers heretics say that we are polytheists. In that sense you can call me a Unitarian denier.

It's laughable you think this question is serious. LoL you're telling me to abandon the faith and convert to Islam. For sure this is a joke. I don't need to answer these questions.

 

[Runningman]

The term Godhead is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature.

I like this one.

For in Him the whole fullness of Deity (the Godhead) continues to dwell in bodily form [giving complete expression of the divine nature].
10 And you are in Him, made full and having come to fullness of life [in Christ you too are filled with the Godhead—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—and reach full spiritual stature]. And He is the Head of all rule and authority [of every angelic principality and power].
Colossians 2:9–10.

Yes you're right that the word "Godhead" which translates to Deity is found in the Bible. The matter of Jesus being filled with fullness of the Godhead is equal to what can be said of others Christians as well.

Ephesians 3 KJV
19And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

 

[mikesw]

I think you may be an accidental heretic as well, so let's try a different angle to see if we can get you to see what the Bible is actually talking about.

I think the way to reach you and the others here may be to find other doctrines aside from the trinity that lack Biblical support, that maybe you also reject, but can still be inferred from the Bible. The trinity is clearly a non-negotiable for you, but do you see that @101G preaches Oneness with tenacity and energy every day, posts walls of scripture and supporting evidence, but has completely missed the mark?

There is also the Immaculate Conception since there is no direct mention in the Bible of Mary being conceived without original sin.

There is the Assumption of Mary that says Mary was taken both body and soul into heaven at the end of her life. The Bible doesn't mention that, but there are ways to preach it by piecing verses together.

There is the doctrine of Purgatory where there is no explicit mention of it in the Bible.

The Trinity doctrine is in the same boat as these other doctrines. It is never directly talked about. Like the other aforementioned doctrines, the Trinity also comes from Catholicism.

See how you're mishandling the Scriptures yet?

So, if i understand you, you are equating refinement of the knowledge of God ahead of any Roman Catholic dominance, is equated to over-exaltation of GOd-incarnate's mother and of money-hungry doctrines like purgatory (so you pay your way out it)? You make odd equating of knowing God as found in scripture with odd doctrines not supported by scripture. That is a senseless argument, like all your others.

I guess I was speaking foolishly when explaining how your doctrines could be logical in a certain context because the divinity of Christ maybe is explained with some weaknesses.

 

[synergy]

It's laughable you think this question is serious. LoL you're telling me to abandon the faith and convert to Islam. For sure this is a joke. I don't need to answer these questions.

You've already abandoned the faith by "thinking exactly like a Trinitarian-denying Muslim". Your refusal to answer my question, even though I answer yours, proves once again that you prefer to run away from discussions and to stay true to your adopted Runningman name.