Distinct person Yes
He is with The God (ton theon)
He is not the person he is with as that makes no sense
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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He is with The God (ton theon)
He is not the person he is with as that makes no sense
101G
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ERROR on your misunderstanding of "WITH" listen, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." is the First that is "WITH" the Last ... is this two separate and distinct person? yes or no.
101G
What does the Greek say?
Joh 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Word was face to face to God.
Face to face means 2 distinct entities. Only a Schizophrenic is face to face with himself.
Sorry you fail to show error
with (from John ch 1-3 otherwise there are just too many)
John 1:1
IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which ||taketh away the sin of the world.
John 1:42
42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
John 1:47
47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
John 2:3
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
John 3:2
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
John 3:4
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
John 3:20
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be lreproved.
John 3:21
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 3:26
26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
The Holy Bible: King James Version (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version.; Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Jn 1:1–3:26.
it never refers to just one
using the data yes
Right. It just makes no sense
101G
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@TomL, and @synergy
since you don't know, 101G will answer it for you. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." THE SAME ONE PERSON. for "Also" means, in addition; too. so, in addition to being the First, he is also the Last.... same one Person. just the Word in John 1:1 is "WITH" God, the same One Person.
101G.
since you don't know, 101G will answer it for you. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." THE SAME ONE PERSON. for "Also" means, in addition; too. so, in addition to being the First, he is also the Last.... same one Person. just the Word in John 1:1 is "WITH" God, the same One Person.
101G.
It makes sense only if you think God is a Schizophrenic. Thus, 101G's Modalism is exposed as a heresy.
If you read the Greek, it makes sense for you only if you think God is a Schizophrenic.
Joh 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Word was face to face to God.
Face to face means 2 distinct entities. Only a Schizophrenic is face to face with himself.
Um you were answered
Why do you pretend anyone claimed not to know?
It was stated
And BTW
All members of the trinity (Godhood) are first and last
LOL@101G is busy talking it over with his word, his schizophrenic other self.
He does get carried away, ignoring evidence and touting his own arguments
101G
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Nonsense, listen and Learn. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
is not the Lord Jesus his "OWN" ARM? yes. case closed.
101G
I'm not going to go into a 1000 rabbit holes because you refuse to acknowledge John 1:1. You asked about John 1:1. Deal with it.
Um God does not have bodily parts
So his arm need not be him
and is clearly differentiated here
Isaiah 53:1–6 (KJV 1900) — 1 Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, And as a root out of a dry ground: He hath no form nor comeliness; And when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; A man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: And we hid as it were our faces from him; He was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, And carried our sorrows: Yet we did esteem him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: The chastisement of our peace was upon him; And with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
101G
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if true, question, Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" now this, Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."
who laid the foundation of the EARTH? the Lord or the LORD? if you say one of the other you call God into ERROR, else it's the same one PERSON.
101G.
101G
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his POWER...lol, lol, Oh my.
and that power is in FLESH and blood listen and Learn, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" .... (smile).... Oh my.
101G
Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
whom and he two person
Is there a reason you left off the rest of my reply
So his arm need not be him
and is clearly differentiated here
Isaiah 53:1–6 (KJV 1900) — 1 Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, And as a root out of a dry ground: He hath no form nor comeliness; And when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; A man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: And we hid as it were our faces from him; He was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, And carried our sorrows: Yet we did esteem him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: The chastisement of our peace was upon him; And with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
It is true that Jesus did declare himself as the "I Am" God of the OT (John 8:58), but the Word (Pre-incarnate Jesus) was face to face with God the Father (John 1:1). Trinitarianism is the only way to make sense of everything.
Until you deal with John 1:1, this conversation will stop.
