Runningman
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John 14:14 doesn't mention praying to Jesus. Jesus' teachings are that all glory goes to YHWH. You should be praying to God as Jesus taught in Matthew 6:6,9.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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A plurality of persons
Now you are getting it
but remember only one being
Echad is not consistent with a singular unity
The key for both Jews and Christians to learn the correct concept of our God is the word echad. Echad is the Hebrew word for one, but more precisely it means a single entity but made up of more than one part. There is another Hebrew word from the same root – Yachid which means single.
The Echad you had been speaking of is not consistent with your view
It teaches it.
Yet Jesus was worshiped and never was the worshiper rebuked
Matt 2:11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
Matt 8:2And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Matt 9:18While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Matt 14:33Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matt 15:25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Matt 28:9And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Matt 28:17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mark 5:6But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mark 15:19And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
Luke 24:52And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
He can't be bothered with such facts
Runningman
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what does this teach?
John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/praying-to-jesus.2061/#post-113315
You can stop hiding from John 14:14 now.
101G
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Worshiping is not the same as praying. Worship, Worship "the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity"
now it this person a deity? Acts 23:17 "Then Paul called one of the centurions unto him, and said, Bring this young man unto the chief captain: for he hath a certain thing to tell him." Acts 23:18 "So he took him, and brought him to the chief captain, and said, Paul the prisoner called me unto him, and prayed me to bring this young man unto thee, who hath something to say unto thee." Prayer is only a demand for something.
John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
101G.
Runningman
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This verse a little too hot to handle huh? That's what I thought. Anyone care to take a swing about how Jesus taught to not pray to him?
John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.
Try duh, because I already addressed it.
Runningman
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You say John 14:14 teaches praying to Jesus. I am just using your exact same logic. John 16:23 says to not pray to Jesus then. That is consistent with your logic. So let's agree Jesus didn't contradict himself, but rather is speaking about a specific context or changing orders based on the context. While Jesus was with him, they could ask him for anything. When he was going to the Father, he said to ask the Father.
It says what it says. There is freedom when you finally just accept what the Bible says.
Runningman
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Your logic was proven wrong or Jesus was proven wrong? He said what he said. What is the "proof" you are alluding to?
101G
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ERROR, your second Mistake of the day. 101G do not believe is a plurality of persons in the Godhead. ..... as separate and distinct persons. now did you get that?
the term "ECHAD"
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
did you understand this definition? note [a numeral from H258]
H258 אָחַד 'achad (aw-chad') v.
1. to unify.
2. (figuratively) collect (one's thoughts).
[perhaps a primitive root]
KJV: go one way or other.
do you see what the definition say? to, to, to, UNIFY... not a compound unity, but to, to, to, unify... HOW? in Ordinal designations. as in First and Last, Beginning and end, Alpha and Omega, or Aleph and Tav. or ROOT and OFFSPRING.... the same one Person, just read the book of revelation...
this is just too easy.
101G
Runningman
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I am doing what you're doing though. You said John 14:14 is a teaching to pray to Jesus. I say John 16:23 is a teaching to not pray to Jesus. You have scripture versus scripture where you propose something Jesus said is wrong, but the other thing he said is correct. I am only using your methods to expose to absurdity of your argument.
101G
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LOL, LOL, LOL, so the apostle Paul worship the centurion?
Acts 23:17 "Then Paul called one of the centurions unto him, and said, Bring this young man unto the chief captain: for he hath a certain thing to tell him." Acts 23:18 "So he took him, and brought him to the chief captain, and said, Paul the prisoner called me unto him, and prayed me to bring this young man unto thee, who hath something to say unto thee." Prayer is only a demand for something.
101G
101G
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did you really understand 101G Post? no... but last time, IS THE PERSON IN JOHN 1:3 THE SAME ONE PERSON IN ISAIAH 44:24, WHO MADE ALL THINGS? YWS OR NO.
101G
