The 5 Articles of Remonstrance (Arminianism)

For further distinguishing between the recently branded "Provisionism" and Classical Arminianism see here:

An article by Leighton Flowers


Provisionists are frequently asked about the role of the Holy Spirit in salvation, considering our belief that the gospel itself is enough to guide lost sinners to faith. To address this question effectively, let’s break it down by engaging the insights of Herman Bavinck, a renowned Calvinist scholar, who wrote: When we speak of elenctics, we do well to understand it in the sense that it has in John 16:8. The Holy Spirit will convince the world of sin. The Holy Spirit is actually the only conceivable subject of this verb, for the conviction of sin exceeds all human ability. Only the Holy Spirit can do this, even though he can and will use us as instruments in his hand. The Holy Spirit, using the biblical message of the Cross, “awakens in man that deeply hidden awareness of guilt. He convinces man of sin, even where previously no consciousness of sin was apparently present. The Holy Spirit uses the word of the preacher and touches the heart of the hearer, making it accessible to the word. When the Holy Spirit convinces people of their sins, of Jesus’ righteousness, and of certain judgment, He awakens the human heart to hear and see truth in a new way. Upon seeing and perceiving (cf. Isaiah 6:10; Matthew 13:15), the human heart cries out for God.[103] I would like to direct our focus towards several key points that might go unnoticed unless one is cognizant of what one should be looking for: 1. “Only the Holy Spirit can do this, even though he can and will use us as instruments in his hand.” This raises the question of the effectiveness of human means in the Calvinistic framework. Do miracles, the proclamation of truth, or persuasive argumentation in apologetics achieve anything that is not already accomplished by “effectual/irresistible grace” (also known as “regeneration”)? I have not encountered any Calvinist who can demonstrate that human means achieve anything that is not already accomplished by the regenerative work of God. In Romans 10:14, when Paul rhetorically asks, “How shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard,” the implied answer is that hearing is enough for belief. However, according to Calvinism, it is not sufficient. If Calvinism were true, Paul would have asked, “How shall they believe what they hear unless God regenerates them?” 2. “The Holy Spirit, using the biblical message of the Cross, ‘awakens in man that deeply hidden awareness of guilt. He convinces man of sin, even where previously no consciousness of sin was apparently present.’” Please note that in Calvinism, this action of awakening is only performed for a select group called “the elect of God.” God is not awakening every individual and bringing their guilt and sin to their awareness. Instead, according to Calvinism, this awakening is exclusively reserved for His chosen ones, although there is no hindrance preventing Him from doing this for others as well. While these words may seem appealing, a closer examination reveals the inherent unnecessary complexities. In Calvinism, it appears that God deliberately chooses not to awaken everyone yet still communicates universally as if they might respond. However, He then condemns those who reject a truth they were born incapable of understanding and accepting. According to Calvinism, God holds everyone accountable and punishable for their refusal of the truth, yet only sufficiently reveals this truth to His elect. 3. “The Holy Spirit uses the word of the preacher and touches the heart of the hearer, making it accessible to the word.” Pay attention to the message being conveyed here. The author is subtly arguing that the listener’s heart cannot access the truth clearly revealed in the word unless the Holy Spirit “touches” them. Let me rephrase this statement slightly to align it with biblical accuracy: “The Holy Spirit uses the preacher’s words to touch the listener’s heart, allowing them to grasp the truth that the word clearly presents.” This might seem like a small change, but it has significant implications concerning a crucial doctrinal matter: the sufficiency of scripture, God’s Holy Word. The Calvinistic author is subtly suggesting that the word proclaimed by the preacher is not enough on its own unless the Holy Spirit “touches” the heart and makes the words accessible. This assumption implies that humans are born incapable of understanding and accepting the clearly revealed truth, a concept that is not taught in scripture. It also assumes that the proclaimed truth of God’s word cannot fulfill its intended purpose (John 20:31). Let’s take a moment to consider this perspective objectively. According to Calvinists, who follow this line of thinking, all of humanity is born unable to believe the truth presented in scripture, yet they are able to believe the falsehoods of other religions, like the teaching of the Koran. Despite this, God still holds us accountable for accepting false religions and rejecting the truths of scripture. The gospel, as a gracious work of the Holy Spirit, is sufficient in itself, and there is no need to create another form of grace. Furthermore, there is no scriptural evidence suggesting that God has rendered all of humanity totally unable to respond positively to His truth due to Adam’s Fall. We all know the saying “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me” is false. Why? Because words have the power to hurt much deeper than physical objects. Moreover, words reveal the truth, and the truth is said to bring freedom. Words cannot be dismissed as powerless and ineffective in achieving the purposes God intended for them. This is especially true as Calvinists also acknowledge that words have the power to lead people astray. The natural man is held responsible for the very words of Christ because the natural man is able to respond to the very words of Christ. As Jesus explains, If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say. (John 12:47-50) And in John 6:63, Jesus says, It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. The author of Hebrews puts it this way, For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. (Hebrews 4:12-13) Do these verses imply that the words of God can only be powerful, life-giving, and sufficient to enable the lost to respond positively when the Holy Spirit “touches the heart” and regenerates the soul effectually? Is there any biblical teaching that supports this kind of inward, irresistibly supernatural working of the Holy Spirit? Why do many people assume that the inspired truth of the Holy Spirit, preserved in the scriptures and conveyed by the Holy Spirit-led Bride of Christ, is not enough to allow the lost to willingly respond to its appeals? Shouldn’t we question the assumption that God decreed for fallen humanity to be born incapable of willingly responding to the message of reconciliation offered by the powerful truth of the inspired gospel? Why would God punish us for Adam’s sin by making us incapable of responding positively to His word, calling us to be redeemed from that sin? Why do Calvinists assert that people are born with a disdain for God and His truth but often fail to make it clear that this is due to God’s own sovereign decree on their worldview? How does it bring glory to God if He decrees that all of humanity will be born with a contempt for truth and then punish them for rejecting truth? Scripture does not teach that people are born with depraved minds and hardened hearts that prevent them from willingly responding to the truth of God. Instead, Scripture warns against trading the truth for lies and developing a calloused heart that cannot see or understand (Romans 1:17-23). It emphasizes the role of personal choice and warns against hardening one’s heart (Deuteronomy 30:19-20). The author of Hebrews cautions against having a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from God and urges us not to harden our hearts when we hear His voice (Hebrews 3:7-8). These warnings imply that hardening is not a condition from birth but a consequence of personal choices. 4. “When the Holy Spirit convinces people of their sin, of Jesus’ righteousness, and of certain judgment, He awakens the human heart to hear and see truth in a new way. Upon seeing and perceiving (cf. Isaiah 6:10; Matthew 13:15), the human heart cries out for God.” This summarizes the Calvinistic doctrine of Irresistible Grace, which states that God regenerates the hearts of those He has chosen so they will accept the truth of scripture. However, this belief contradicts the clear teaching of the Bible. The scripture shows that all humans are responsible, meaning they have the moral ability to respond either positively or negatively to God’s revelation. It is through the work of the Holy Spirit, using human means, that conviction and reconciliation to God are achieved. The Holy Spirit inspires and empowers the proclamation of truth, appealing to individuals to be reconciled to God. Some argue that the gospel is not sufficient to enable the lost to believe without the work of the Holy Spirit. I argue that the gospel is always sufficient because it is a work of the Holy Spirit. As David said: The Spirit of the LORD spoke through me; his word was on my tongue. (2 Samuel 23:2) Therefore, when someone listens to or reads the words of David, then they are being impacted by the Spirit of the Lord because the Spirit is the source of those words. I am only striving to give credit where credit is due. When someone reads or hears the words inspired by the Spirit of the Lord and comes to faith, then the Spirit should be given credit for His work in bringing those words, regardless of the means through which He brings them. Remember, when we speak His words, it is really “as though God were pleading through us,” as Paul explained: Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. (2 Corinthians 5:20) Therefore, when the gospel is proclaimed, and someone responds by giving their life to follow Christ, the credit should be given to the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit who is actively working through the preacher to make His appeal to the individual. The preacher is merely a tool in the hands of the Holy Spirit, carrying out His work. The idea that the Holy Spirit must independently regenerate the heart prior to the preaching, making it effective, is not found in scripture. Instead, the Holy Spirit accomplishes His work through the means of preaching only to indwell the hearts of those who believe (Galatians 3:2,14). Through the proclamation of the gospel, the Holy Spirit calls people to repentance and faith, and this calling is sufficient for anyone who hears it to respond and be transformed. Why should we believe the unlikely assertion that humans are born with the ability to have faith in the teachings of the Koran but not in the Bible? Is it rational to teach that individuals are inherently unable to willingly respond to God’s appeals for reconciliation due to their fallen state? Where does this presumption come from, and why do so many people accept it without question? It is worth noting that this assumption has not always been widely held in the church. Irenaeus, (130-202) wrote, We have known the method of our salvation by no other means than those by whom the gospel came to us; which gospel they truly preached; but afterward, by the will of God, they delivered to us in the Scriptures, to be for the future the foundation and pillar of our faith. (Adv. H. 3:1) Athanasius wrote, The Holy Scriptures, given by the inspiration of God, are of themselves sufficient toward the discovery of truth. And, most importantly, the scriptures themselves teach: …you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. (2 Timothy 3:15-16, emphasis added). It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. (John 6:63). Consequently, faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the preached word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Yes, they have: Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world. (Romans 10:17-18, emphasis added) And many of the Samaritans of that city believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all that I ever did.” So when the Samaritans had come to Him, they urged Him to stay with them; and He stayed there two days. And many more believed because of His own word. Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.” (John 4:39-42, emphasis added) At Iconium Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue. There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed.” (Acts 14:1, emphasis added) …from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets (the written word of God) he tried to persuade them about Jesus. Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe.” (Acts 28:23a-24, emphasis added) Now, get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of me. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me. (Acts 26:16-18, emphasis added) For this reason, I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles— if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you; that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit…” (Eph. 3:1-5, emphasis added) We must not presume that just because man is born fallen, the gospel is not up for the task of enabling the fallen man to respond to its appeal for reconciliation from that fall. In other words, there is no reason to assume that God’s message of hope is hopeless to enable a willing response from those who need it the most. Let’s consider this from an objective standpoint. In the context of Calvinism, there is a belief that individuals who are spiritually lost have the ability to accept various religious texts, such as the Koran or the Book of Mormon, along with any misleading information that opposes the teachings of the Bible. However, these same individuals seem unable to access the profound truths found within the Bible itself. This raises some questions. Why would God deliberately make humanity, with its fallen nature, predisposed to accept the truths presented in other historical books while making it impossible for them to embrace His own sacred word? Why does He allow people to put their faith in fictional stories created by atheists and deceivers while withholding access to the rich and beautiful truth contained in His divinely inspired word? Scripture does not teach that individuals are born with inherently corrupted minds and hardened hearts, rendering them completely unable to willingly respond to the truth revealed by God. Rather, Scripture teaches that people have the capacity to “exchange the truth for lies” (Rom. 1:25) and be given over to a “depraved mind” (Rom. 1:18). It acknowledges the possibility for individuals to “become calloused” or “close their eyes,” resulting in an inability to “see, hear, understand, and turn” (Acts 28:27b). The Bible also points out that when people do not acknowledge and honor God, their thinking “becomes futile and their hearts are darkened” (Rom. 1:21). It is worth noting that this condition is not described as a “default” condition of all humanity.



Flowers, Leighton. Drawn By Jesus (pp. 136-146). Trinity Academic Press. Kindle Edition.
 
If human nature is intrinsically sinful then what does that make Jesus who assumed the very same human nature we all possess?

FALLEN human nature is intrinsically sinful.

Obviously Adam and Eve were not intrinsically sinful, that's slanderous to God.

I know we hate the idea we just can't be as pure and righteous as Jesus if we just dig down and try harder.

Simply realize that in itself is all the proof we need that we are sinful to the core.
 
So you hold to a partial regeneration of older Arminianism or non regenerative but resistible Holy Spirit grace?
Provisionism sees the power in the gospel or in the goading, convicting work of the Holy Spirit

You need to draw the lines in the right places to see the difference.

Provisionism is broader umbrella, so let's narrow down on its founder's views.

Flowers denies need for INTERNAL grace.

What you name internal grace is less consequential, the important part is it is internal.

This must be brought out very clearly to eliminate equivocation and ambiguous speech.

Yes, he still has EXTERNAL grace through mental instructions that he calls "the Gospel."

However the Gospel is NOT and never was just mental data points.

The message of the Gospel includes a living and working Person.
 
FALLEN human nature is intrinsically sinful.

Obviously Adam and Eve were not intrinsically sinful, that's slanderous to God.

I know we hate the idea we just can't be as pure and righteous as Jesus if we just dig down and try harder.

Simply realize that in itself is all the proof we need that we are sinful to the core.
Let's reword my question according to fallen nature and see if you will evade answering my question again:

If fallen human nature is intrinsically sinful then what does that make Jesus who assumed, at his Incarnation, the very same fallen human nature we all possess?
 
What caused the defilement?

Jesus said defilement comes from the heart.

If we were born holy, anyone could keep God's Law.

But underneath the objection—is a distaste to see ourselves in a bad light.
 
Jesus said defilement comes from the heart.

If we were born holy, anyone could keep God's Law.

But underneath the objection—is a distaste to see ourselves in a bad light.
Defilement is a condition of the spirit. If it is dead from the very beginning, then something killed it. It requires some action to kill the spirit. What was it that killed it?
 
That makes the Remonstrances worth knowing and worthy of discussion.

Another great study is the The Arminian Confession of 1621 written by Simon Episcopius, Arminius' chief disciple.

This is essentially the first codification of what became known as Classical Arminianism.


 
An article by Leighton Flowers


Provisionists are frequently asked about the role of the Holy Spirit in salvation, considering our belief that the gospel itself is enough to guide lost sinners to faith. To address this question effectively, let’s break it down by engaging the insights of Herman Bavinck, a renowned Calvinist scholar, who wrote: When we speak of elenctics, we do well to understand it in the sense that it has in John 16:8. The Holy Spirit will convince the world of sin. The Holy Spirit is actually the only conceivable subject of this verb, for the conviction of sin exceeds all human ability. Only the Holy Spirit can do this, even though he can and will use us as instruments in his hand. The Holy Spirit, using the biblical message of the Cross, “awakens in man that deeply hidden awareness of guilt. He convinces man of sin, even where previously no consciousness of sin was apparently present. The Holy Spirit uses the word of the preacher and touches the heart of the hearer, making it accessible to the word. When the Holy Spirit convinces people of their sins, of Jesus’ righteousness, and of certain judgment, He awakens the human heart to hear and see truth in a new way. Upon seeing and perceiving (cf. Isaiah 6:10; Matthew 13:15), the human heart cries out for God.[103] I would like to direct our focus towards several key points that might go unnoticed unless one is cognizant of what one should be looking for: 1. “Only the Holy Spirit can do this, even though he can and will use us as instruments in his hand.” This raises the question of the effectiveness of human means in the Calvinistic framework. Do miracles, the proclamation of truth, or persuasive argumentation in apologetics achieve anything that is not already accomplished by “effectual/irresistible grace” (also known as “regeneration”)? I have not encountered any Calvinist who can demonstrate that human means achieve anything that is not already accomplished by the regenerative work of God. In Romans 10:14, when Paul rhetorically asks, “How shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard,” the implied answer is that hearing is enough for belief. However, according to Calvinism, it is not sufficient. If Calvinism were true, Paul would have asked, “How shall they believe what they hear unless God regenerates them?” 2. “The Holy Spirit, using the biblical message of the Cross, ‘awakens in man that deeply hidden awareness of guilt. He convinces man of sin, even where previously no consciousness of sin was apparently present.’” Please note that in Calvinism, this action of awakening is only performed for a select group called “the elect of God.” God is not awakening every individual and bringing their guilt and sin to their awareness. Instead, according to Calvinism, this awakening is exclusively reserved for His chosen ones, although there is no hindrance preventing Him from doing this for others as well. While these words may seem appealing, a closer examination reveals the inherent unnecessary complexities. In Calvinism, it appears that God deliberately chooses not to awaken everyone yet still communicates universally as if they might respond. However, He then condemns those who reject a truth they were born incapable of understanding and accepting. According to Calvinism, God holds everyone accountable and punishable for their refusal of the truth, yet only sufficiently reveals this truth to His elect. 3. “The Holy Spirit uses the word of the preacher and touches the heart of the hearer, making it accessible to the word.” Pay attention to the message being conveyed here. The author is subtly arguing that the listener’s heart cannot access the truth clearly revealed in the word unless the Holy Spirit “touches” them. Let me rephrase this statement slightly to align it with biblical accuracy: “The Holy Spirit uses the preacher’s words to touch the listener’s heart, allowing them to grasp the truth that the word clearly presents.” This might seem like a small change, but it has significant implications concerning a crucial doctrinal matter: the sufficiency of scripture, God’s Holy Word. The Calvinistic author is subtly suggesting that the word proclaimed by the preacher is not enough on its own unless the Holy Spirit “touches” the heart and makes the words accessible. This assumption implies that humans are born incapable of understanding and accepting the clearly revealed truth, a concept that is not taught in scripture. It also assumes that the proclaimed truth of God’s word cannot fulfill its intended purpose (John 20:31). Let’s take a moment to consider this perspective objectively. According to Calvinists, who follow this line of thinking, all of humanity is born unable to believe the truth presented in scripture, yet they are able to believe the falsehoods of other religions, like the teaching of the Koran. Despite this, God still holds us accountable for accepting false religions and rejecting the truths of scripture. The gospel, as a gracious work of the Holy Spirit, is sufficient in itself, and there is no need to create another form of grace. Furthermore, there is no scriptural evidence suggesting that God has rendered all of humanity totally unable to respond positively to His truth due to Adam’s Fall. We all know the saying “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me” is false. Why? Because words have the power to hurt much deeper than physical objects. Moreover, words reveal the truth, and the truth is said to bring freedom. Words cannot be dismissed as powerless and ineffective in achieving the purposes God intended for them. This is especially true as Calvinists also acknowledge that words have the power to lead people astray. The natural man is held responsible for the very words of Christ because the natural man is able to respond to the very words of Christ. As Jesus explains, If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say. (John 12:47-50) And in John 6:63, Jesus says, It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. The author of Hebrews puts it this way, For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. (Hebrews 4:12-13) Do these verses imply that the words of God can only be powerful, life-giving, and sufficient to enable the lost to respond positively when the Holy Spirit “touches the heart” and regenerates the soul effectually? Is there any biblical teaching that supports this kind of inward, irresistibly supernatural working of the Holy Spirit? Why do many people assume that the inspired truth of the Holy Spirit, preserved in the scriptures and conveyed by the Holy Spirit-led Bride of Christ, is not enough to allow the lost to willingly respond to its appeals? Shouldn’t we question the assumption that God decreed for fallen humanity to be born incapable of willingly responding to the message of reconciliation offered by the powerful truth of the inspired gospel? Why would God punish us for Adam’s sin by making us incapable of responding positively to His word, calling us to be redeemed from that sin? Why do Calvinists assert that people are born with a disdain for God and His truth but often fail to make it clear that this is due to God’s own sovereign decree on their worldview? How does it bring glory to God if He decrees that all of humanity will be born with a contempt for truth and then punish them for rejecting truth? Scripture does not teach that people are born with depraved minds and hardened hearts that prevent them from willingly responding to the truth of God. Instead, Scripture warns against trading the truth for lies and developing a calloused heart that cannot see or understand (Romans 1:17-23). It emphasizes the role of personal choice and warns against hardening one’s heart (Deuteronomy 30:19-20). The author of Hebrews cautions against having a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from God and urges us not to harden our hearts when we hear His voice (Hebrews 3:7-8). These warnings imply that hardening is not a condition from birth but a consequence of personal choices. 4. “When the Holy Spirit convinces people of their sin, of Jesus’ righteousness, and of certain judgment, He awakens the human heart to hear and see truth in a new way. Upon seeing and perceiving (cf. Isaiah 6:10; Matthew 13:15), the human heart cries out for God.” This summarizes the Calvinistic doctrine of Irresistible Grace, which states that God regenerates the hearts of those He has chosen so they will accept the truth of scripture. However, this belief contradicts the clear teaching of the Bible. The scripture shows that all humans are responsible, meaning they have the moral ability to respond either positively or negatively to God’s revelation. It is through the work of the Holy Spirit, using human means, that conviction and reconciliation to God are achieved. The Holy Spirit inspires and empowers the proclamation of truth, appealing to individuals to be reconciled to God. Some argue that the gospel is not sufficient to enable the lost to believe without the work of the Holy Spirit. I argue that the gospel is always sufficient because it is a work of the Holy Spirit. As David said: The Spirit of the LORD spoke through me; his word was on my tongue. (2 Samuel 23:2) Therefore, when someone listens to or reads the words of David, then they are being impacted by the Spirit of the Lord because the Spirit is the source of those words. I am only striving to give credit where credit is due. When someone reads or hears the words inspired by the Spirit of the Lord and comes to faith, then the Spirit should be given credit for His work in bringing those words, regardless of the means through which He brings them. Remember, when we speak His words, it is really “as though God were pleading through us,” as Paul explained: Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. (2 Corinthians 5:20) Therefore, when the gospel is proclaimed, and someone responds by giving their life to follow Christ, the credit should be given to the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit who is actively working through the preacher to make His appeal to the individual. The preacher is merely a tool in the hands of the Holy Spirit, carrying out His work. The idea that the Holy Spirit must independently regenerate the heart prior to the preaching, making it effective, is not found in scripture. Instead, the Holy Spirit accomplishes His work through the means of preaching only to indwell the hearts of those who believe (Galatians 3:2,14). Through the proclamation of the gospel, the Holy Spirit calls people to repentance and faith, and this calling is sufficient for anyone who hears it to respond and be transformed. Why should we believe the unlikely assertion that humans are born with the ability to have faith in the teachings of the Koran but not in the Bible? Is it rational to teach that individuals are inherently unable to willingly respond to God’s appeals for reconciliation due to their fallen state? Where does this presumption come from, and why do so many people accept it without question? It is worth noting that this assumption has not always been widely held in the church. Irenaeus, (130-202) wrote, We have known the method of our salvation by no other means than those by whom the gospel came to us; which gospel they truly preached; but afterward, by the will of God, they delivered to us in the Scriptures, to be for the future the foundation and pillar of our faith. (Adv. H. 3:1) Athanasius wrote, The Holy Scriptures, given by the inspiration of God, are of themselves sufficient toward the discovery of truth. And, most importantly, the scriptures themselves teach: …you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. (2 Timothy 3:15-16, emphasis added). It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. (John 6:63). Consequently, faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the preached word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Yes, they have: Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world. (Romans 10:17-18, emphasis added) And many of the Samaritans of that city believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all that I ever did.” So when the Samaritans had come to Him, they urged Him to stay with them; and He stayed there two days. And many more believed because of His own word. Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.” (John 4:39-42, emphasis added) At Iconium Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue. There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed.” (Acts 14:1, emphasis added) …from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets (the written word of God) he tried to persuade them about Jesus. Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe.” (Acts 28:23a-24, emphasis added) Now, get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of me. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me. (Acts 26:16-18, emphasis added) For this reason, I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles— if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you; that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit…” (Eph. 3:1-5, emphasis added) We must not presume that just because man is born fallen, the gospel is not up for the task of enabling the fallen man to respond to its appeal for reconciliation from that fall. In other words, there is no reason to assume that God’s message of hope is hopeless to enable a willing response from those who need it the most. Let’s consider this from an objective standpoint. In the context of Calvinism, there is a belief that individuals who are spiritually lost have the ability to accept various religious texts, such as the Koran or the Book of Mormon, along with any misleading information that opposes the teachings of the Bible. However, these same individuals seem unable to access the profound truths found within the Bible itself. This raises some questions. Why would God deliberately make humanity, with its fallen nature, predisposed to accept the truths presented in other historical books while making it impossible for them to embrace His own sacred word? Why does He allow people to put their faith in fictional stories created by atheists and deceivers while withholding access to the rich and beautiful truth contained in His divinely inspired word? Scripture does not teach that individuals are born with inherently corrupted minds and hardened hearts, rendering them completely unable to willingly respond to the truth revealed by God. Rather, Scripture teaches that people have the capacity to “exchange the truth for lies” (Rom. 1:25) and be given over to a “depraved mind” (Rom. 1:18). It acknowledges the possibility for individuals to “become calloused” or “close their eyes,” resulting in an inability to “see, hear, understand, and turn” (Acts 28:27b). The Bible also points out that when people do not acknowledge and honor God, their thinking “becomes futile and their hearts are darkened” (Rom. 1:21). It is worth noting that this condition is not described as a “default” condition of all humanity.



Flowers, Leighton. Drawn By Jesus (pp. 136-146). Trinity Academic Press. Kindle Edition.
Amen as we know many misrepresent what he believes.
 
You need to draw the lines in the right places to see the difference.

Provisionism is broader umbrella, so let's narrow down on its founder's views.

Flowers denies need for INTERNAL grace.

What you name internal grace is less consequential, the important part is it is internal.

This must be brought out very clearly to eliminate equivocation and ambiguous speech.

Yes, he still has EXTERNAL grace through mental instructions that he calls "the Gospel."

However the Gospel is NOT and never was just mental data points.

The message of the Gospel includes a living and working Person.
Nope he says Gods means if grace is the gospel. He does not deny the work of the Holy Spirit in the conviction of sin.
 
You need to draw the lines in the right places to see the difference.

Provisionism is broader umbrella, so let's narrow down on its founder's views.

Flowers denies need for INTERNAL grace.

What you name internal grace is less consequential, the important part is it is internal.

This must be brought out very clearly to eliminate equivocation and ambiguous speech.

Yes, he still has EXTERNAL grace through mental instructions that he calls "the Gospel."

However the Gospel is NOT and never was just mental data points.

The message of the Gospel includes a living and working Person.
Can you answer the question asked?

So you hold to a partial regeneration of older Arminianism or non regenerative but resistible Holy Spirit grace?
 
FALLEN human nature is intrinsically sinful.

Obviously Adam and Eve were not intrinsically sinful, that's slanderous to God.

I know we hate the idea we just can't be as pure and righteous as Jesus if we just dig down and try harder.

Simply realize that in itself is all the proof we need that we are sinful to the core.
Some contrary examples to total depravity

In Genesis 4, the concept of it is called into question.

After Cain became angry because God had accepted Abel’s offering and had not accepted his offering, God told Cain that sin was knocking at the door and that he should not allow it to rule over him, least it become his master (see Genesis 4:6-7).

God did not deal with Cain as if he were totally depraved. On the contrary, God instructed Cain to rule over this sin that was knocking at the door. The Bible tells us that Cain murdered his brother not because he was totally depraved, but because his deeds were evil and his brother’s was righteous.

For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous. (1 John 3:10-11)

If all humanity were totally depraved, then this would include Abel, yet the apostle John tells us that Abel’s works were righteous. Remember the definition of depravity is a very evil quality or way of behaving: an evil or immoral act. The Bible never describes Abel in this way. On the contrary, the Bible repeatedly describes Abel and his works as righteous.

If Cain and Abel had been totally depraved, Cain would have been unable to rule over the sin knocking at the door, and Abel would not have done that which was righteous.

In the gospels, the Lord Jesus Christ declared that Abel was righteous (Matthew 23:35) and the writer of Hebrews tells us: Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. (Hebrews 11:4)

No matter how you stack it, the statement, “Abel obtained witness that he was righteous,” completely dismantles any concept of total depravity: a theology that does not take into account the testimony of scripture concerning the real people who lived for God.

If the doctrine of total depravity were true, it would be true of everyone, but what about those in scripture who sought after God?

WHAT ABOUT ENOCH?

The Bible says, Enoch walked with God (Genesis 5:24). The author of Hebrews tells us: By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.(Hebrews 11:4)

Enoch was such a man of God, who pleased God, he never died! Jude tells us that Enoch prophesied of the coming of the Lord as well (Jude 1:14).

WHAT ABOUT NOAH?

The Bible says Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9). Noah was righteous in the sight of the Lord (Genesis 7:1) and in Ezekiel, God mentions Noah along with Daniel and Job as righteous (Ezekiel 14:14, 20).

In the New Testament, the apostle Peter refers to Noah as a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5) and the writer of Hebrews testifies of Noah’s righteousness as well.

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear (the fear of the Lord), prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became the heir of the righteousness which is by faith (Hebrews 11:7).

WHAT ABOUT ABRAHAM?

The scriptures tells us, Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3, 9, 22; Galatians 3; 6; James 2:23).

Abraham had integrity of heart (Genesis 20:5-6) and a faithful heart towards God(Nehemiah 9:7, 8) and Abraham is called the friend of God (2 Chronicles 20:7; Isaiah 41:8; James 2:23). Throughout scripture God is referred to as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Matthew 32:22; Mark 12:26; Luke 20:37; Acts 3:13; 7:32).

Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad (John 8:56) and God’s promise to Abraham was to bless all the nations through his seed: Jesus Christ (Acts 3:25; Galatians 3:16).

Abraham is called the father of faith and the father of all who believe (Romans 4:16; Galatians 3:7, 9, 29) and the blessing of Abraham comes on the Gentiles through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14).

Abraham was a man of faith who obeyed and feared God (Genesis 22: 12; 26:5; Hebrews 11:8). We see also that Isaac and Jacob were men of faith who feared the Lord and obeyed him as well.

Also, the apostle Peter refers to Sarah, Abraham’s wife, as an example of holy women, who trusted God, by adorning themselves with a meek and quite spirit (1 Peter 3:4-6).

Lot, Abraham’s nephew, also was a righteous man.

In 2 Peter 2:7-10, the apostle Peter references Lot as an example of how the Lord is able to deliver the godly out of temptations. Peter calls Lot a just and righteous man whom the Lord delivered from the fitly lifestyle of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrha.

We also read of others in the scriptures, who feared God, before we ever get to Moses and the Exodus of Israel from Egypt. For example the Hebrew midwives feared God and refused to obey the King of Egypt (Exodus 1:17) and because they feared the Lord, many lives of Hebrew children were spared, and God gave the midwives familes (Exodus 1:20-21).

WHAT ABOUT JOSEPH, MOSES, JOSHUA, AND CALEB?

Joseph fled from sin when he was tempted by Potiphar’s wife (Genesis 39:7-12) and forgave his brothers who betrayed him.

Moses is called the man of God (Deuteronomy 33:1; Psalm 90:1; 1 Chronicles 23;14) and was a very humble man (Numbers 12:3) and interceded for Israel seeking God’s forgiveness and favor (Exodus 32:11). Moses feared the Lord (Deuteronomy 9:16-29) and was faithful in God’s house (Numbers 12:7; Hebrews 3:5).

Furthermore, the author of Hebrews says, By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. Through faith he kept the Passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned (Hebrews 11:24-29).

Moses’ successor, Joshua, was chosen by God to lead the children of Israel into the Promised Land because he was a man who sought God, feared God, and trusted God. Also the mantle which God had placed on Moses was transferred to Joshua before he led Israel into the Promised land (Deuteronomy 31:14, 23; 34:9).

During the time of Moses we read of others like Caleb, who along with Joshua were the only 2 among the 12 spies who trusted God and because of their faith they were rewarded by God. In fact God said of the following about Caleb:

But My servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed Me fully, him will I bring into the land where into he went; and his seed shall possess it (Numbers 14:24).

WHAT ABOUT PHINEHAS AND OTHERS?

We also read of Phinehas, who was of priestly descent. He was zealous for God’s holy justice and turned God’s wrath away from the children of Israel (Numbers 25:7-13) and his zeal for God was counted as righteousness to him and to his generations (Psalm 106:30-31). God gave to him and his descendants a covenant of peace because he was jealous with zeal for the Lord.

Job also was a righteous man (Ezekiel 14:14, 20). In fact the Bible says he was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil (Job 1:1). Job was such a godly man that God even showcased him in the face of Satan (Job 1:8). Job was God’s servant, a man accepted by God (Job 42:7-8) and an example of patience (James 5:10-11) and he learned that God is merciful and compassionate.

As we venture through the scriptures we read of God’s servants such as Gideon, Deborah, Ruth, Naomi, Boaz, Hannah, Samuel, Jonathan, Elijah, Elisha, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Nehemiah, Ezra, Esther and others who feared God, sought him, and were righteous in his sight.

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If human nature is intrinsically sinful then what does that make Jesus who assumed the very same human nature we all possess?
That is irrelevant to @Dizerner 's point ... which was simply that Augustine in the 3rd Century did not originate the Doctrine since it can be found in First and Second Century letters.

PS. To answer your question, THAT is why Jesus was born of a virgin ... human, but WITHOUT sin. Seed of the woman, but the curse is through ADAM.
 
If human nature is intrinsically sinful then what does that make Jesus who assumed the very same human nature we all possess?

Jesus assumed the LIKENESS of sinful flesh.

That means it looks like sinful flesh, but actually is NOT sinful flesh.

by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh (Rom. 8:3)

Notice here that flesh is not just called pure and innocent and holy, but later somehow defiled.

Then Jesus would be sent in the likeness of holy flesh.
 
Some contrary examples to total depravity

In Genesis 4, the concept of it is called into question.

I really cannot agree with your interpretations here.

Are you assuming that God's grace was not offered to inherently sinful people?

Are you claiming all these people had a self-righteous goodness without need of the Cross?!

Self-reflect, man, something is really wrong with your views.
 
I really cannot agree with your interpretations here.

Are you assuming that God's grace was not offered to inherently sinful people?

Are you claiming all these people had a self-righteous goodness without need of the Cross?!

Self-reflect, man, something is really wrong with your views.
You totally failed to address the scriptures and argument posted

Some contrary examples to total depravity

In Genesis 4, the concept of it is called into question.

After Cain became angry because God had accepted Abel’s offering and had not accepted his offering, God told Cain that sin was knocking at the door and that he should not allow it to rule over him, least it become his master (see Genesis 4:6-7).

God did not deal with Cain as if he were totally depraved. On the contrary, God instructed Cain to rule over this sin that was knocking at the door. The Bible tells us that Cain murdered his brother not because he was totally depraved, but because his deeds were evil and his brother’s was righteous.

For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous. (1 John 3:10-11)

If all humanity were totally depraved, then this would include Abel, yet the apostle John tells us that Abel’s works were righteous. Remember the definition of depravity is a very evil quality or way of behaving: an evil or immoral act. The Bible never describes Abel in this way. On the contrary, the Bible repeatedly describes Abel and his works as righteous.

If Cain and Abel had been totally depraved, Cain would have been unable to rule over the sin knocking at the door, and Abel would not have done that which was righteous.

In the gospels, the Lord Jesus Christ declared that Abel was righteous (Matthew 23:35) and the writer of Hebrews tells us: Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. (Hebrews 11:4)

No matter how you stack it, the statement, “Abel obtained witness that he was righteous,” completely dismantles any concept of total depravity: a theology that does not take into account the testimony of scripture concerning the real people who lived for God.

If the doctrine of total depravity were true, it would be true of everyone, but what about those in scripture who sought after God?

You cannot address them by attacking me.

Also remember total depravity makes all kind of claims about not being able to believe, honor, associate with or love God as well as obey any commandments.
 
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You totally failed to address the scripture posted

Some contrary examples to total depravity

In Genesis 4, the concept of it is called into question.

After Cain became angry because God had accepted Abel’s offering and had not accepted his offering, God told Cain that sin was knocking at the door and that he should not allow it to rule over him, least it become his master (see Genesis 4:6-7).

God did not deal with Cain as if he were totally depraved. On the contrary, God instructed Cain to rule over this sin that was knocking at the door. The Bible tells us that Cain murdered his brother not because he was totally depraved, but because his deeds were evil and his brother’s was righteous.

For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous. (1 John 3:10-11)

If all humanity were totally depraved, then this would include Abel, yet the apostle John tells us that Abel’s works were righteous. Remember the definition of depravity is a very evil quality or way of behaving: an evil or immoral act. The Bible never describes Abel in this way. On the contrary, the Bible repeatedly describes Abel and his works as righteous.

If Cain and Abel had been totally depraved, Cain would have been unable to rule over the sin knocking at the door, and Abel would not have done that which was righteous.

In the gospels, the Lord Jesus Christ declared that Abel was righteous (Matthew 23:35) and the writer of Hebrews tells us: Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. (Hebrews 11:4)

No matter how you stack it, the statement, “Abel obtained witness that he was righteous,” completely dismantles any concept of total depravity: a theology that does not take into account the testimony of scripture concerning the real people who lived for God.

If the doctrine of total depravity were true, it would be true of everyone, but what about those in scripture who sought after God?
there is a huge difference between addressing the scripture posted and ones personal opinions and comments on the topic.

and another thing God not once in the N.T. calls believers sinners. Always saints, holy ones, righteous etc ....... the church universal and has failed believers in this department. They have set the bar low.

I taught on this topic in our mens church discipleship group recently and used the illustration of the bar being low whereas Scripture sets the bar high.
 
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